25nl overpair on paired board 3-way

[rpm]

so another hand which is probably pretty simple but i'm too retarded to know what to do because i dont know what fish have when they minraise.

so opener is 16/11 over 85 with no other real reads.
flat caller is 43/14 over 56, and has 3bet 5/25 opportunities (20%). also have the following notes:
- L/C in MP, PSB donk Axxr
- L/3bet/call 4b w/44 in SB vs BB. B/C AI on J67r flop

let me know if those notes need deciphering.

i'll say the opener's range is something like 22+,AJs+,AQo+,KQs,KQo

and the flat-callers range is far bigger, something like:
22-JJ, A2s+,A7o+,K4s+,KTo+,Q7s+,QTo+,J7s+,J9o+,T7s+,96s+, 85s+,75s+,64s+

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($25)
SB ($25)
BB ($34.51)
UTG ($20.35)
UTG+1 ($20.40)
MP1 ($30.89)
MP2 ($18.17)
MP3 ($41.40)
Hero (CO) ($29.87)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
2 folds, MP1 bets $0.85, MP2 calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.85, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.90) 7, 9, 7 (3 players)
MP1 bets $1.75, MP2 raises to $3.50

disclaimer: i analysed this hand as if i had some guarantee that the cbettor was going to fold 100%. obviously he's not, but dealing with two ranges kind of fucks me over. meaning i'm too dumb to deal with it. so yeah.

lacking reads on his min-raising range, i'm pretty lost. i'm thinking the Cbettors range is most if not all of his preflop range. so i'm not yet particularly worried about the cbettor. this hand confused me so i stoved my equity versus some different ranges to get a feel for what i should do IF x was his range.

if he minraises all hands 88+ in value from his preflop range i have 55% equity against the minraising range ALONE.

if the bottom of his range is A9, i have 40%:

Board: 9h 7h 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.547% 39.49% 01.05% 17985 480.00 { JcJh }
Hand 1: 59.453% 58.40% 01.05% 26595 480.00 { JJ-99, 77, A9s, A7s, K7s, Q7s, J7s, T7s, 97s, 87s, 75s+, A9o, A7o }


so while my equity is never horrendous, and there is dead money in the pot, i feel like i suffer from RIO going to the turn. at best i'm putting myself in a tough situation because i do not have confident enough reads to really put my stack in on the turn. thoughts on my best line of action facing the flop min-raise? and your plan for future streets if you want to call? (note, minraising villain has almost exactly 1PSB left in his stack going to the turn)

some questions:

- is there a case for 3betting this pre because our guy in the middle is likely to call with a wide and dominated range?
- how do you react to the flop min-raise? and if you want to call, what is your turn plan?

thanks.

[Razvan729]

MP1 looks ok from stats and i doubt he would cbet air or underpairs to the board in 2 players with this flop that has straight draws and FD on it and knowing that MP2 is a fish. so his range for betting here in my opinion is 99+, AQss,AKss and i also think he'd call the minraise with his entire range.

from what you said about MP2, i think he'd minraise here every FD combo as well as 9x and 7x hands.

vs these 2 on this flop with just 2 outs i would fold.

[daviddem]

1) I think it's OK to 3b this pre against a tight opener and a fish. You have a good chance to iso the fish. Obv. fold to a 4b.
2) Fold flop. Your equity vs his range is only 40% and it's not as if it were calling an all-in. There is a lot of potential betting to come on the turn and the river, and if you decide to call the flop you pretty much have to keep calling. Besides, nothing says that MP1 is giving up on the flop. He just raised from UTG+2, and cbet OOP vs 2, not exactly a weak line for a tight player.

[voo-doo]

fold as played.... i dont mind the odd flat here cos if u hit gin on the flop against a nit with a fish inbetween then happy times.. 3bet pre would be my std line here though, fold if nit 4bets and i'd welcome fish coming along with a call obv...

[OngBonga]

3bet pre (fold to 4bet), fold flop. Oh wait, someone else said it first.

[Donachello]

Definitely squeeze preflop with JJ IP when there is a huge fish. Flop is pretty meh... The fish has plenty of 7x in his range, and the original raiser is only continuing with OP or possibly the NFD. Problem is that a fish could easily be doing this with 9x so think it's a bit closer in terms of whether to fold or not. However, I think I probably fold just because UTG may come back over the top and making a smaller mistake here is better than making much larger ones on the turn and river.

[daven]

pre-flop is fine, so is 3b pre
fold flop, you have no fold equity when you raise and you hate most turns and rivers. MP1 is going to adapt c-bet range with the fish in the pot and that flavour of board