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  1. #1

    Default 25NL-KK vs passive CS

    35/4/0.3 over 24
    Got 2nd BD flush draw but I still don't see any way I can call this turn shove.

    $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
    8 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG ($17.60)
    UTG+1 ($23.95)
    MP1 ($59.15)
    MP2 ($40.42)
    CO ($25)
    BTN ($24.65)
    Hero ($31.19)
    BB ($77.28)
    Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 8 players) Hero is SB
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $1.25
    Flop: ($3.25, 2 players)
    Hero bets $2, MP1 calls $2
    Turn: ($7.25, 2 players)
    Hero bets $3, MP1 goes all-in $55.65, Hero folds
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  2. #2
    I like a larger bet on turn, but i don't really see how we can call the shove without notes from previous situations like this
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    Passive Calling Station MP1 goes all-in $55.65 for 8x the pot
    You beat one pair Qx and air. Fold.
    Last edited by StarGrinder; 07-23-2010 at 03:35 PM.
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    Bet turn larger and fold
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    Bet turn larger and fold
    Why bet turn larger if I'm just going to fold?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    Why bet turn larger if I'm just going to fold?
    why do you bet at all if you're just going to fold
  7. #7
    Why bet more here?

    Will better fold? Prob not as he's a CS

    Will worse call? Yes

    For value?

    If he calls turn bet then what if river is non heart? Is it a flush or some Qx hand, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    Why bet more here?

    For value?
    Yes, because worse will call a bigger bet and if he's on a worse draw your letting him do it cheaply and losing value. I say bet a little more than 1/2 pot.

    If he calls turn bet then what if river is non heart?
    Then he might have missed his draw. You bet around 1/2 pot for value and he folds, calls, or raises.

    OTOH, if you feel like he's got it, then just fold. But don't let it tilt you either way, if possible.

    OBV, fold as played.
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    Right def. for value. If river is not a heart/Q or whatever I'd throw in a medium value bet because he can have a flush but he can still def have worse Qx or something random we beat and he calls.

    As for your reply to my post - what do you mean? If he's raising our turn bet everytime then our strategy completely changes.
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    Why bet turn larger if I'm just going to fold?
    Quote Originally Posted by Imthenewfish View Post
    why do you bet at all if you're just going to fold
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by StarGrinder View Post
    well if he can answer that question then he'll know why to bet more
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Imthenewfish View Post
    well if he can answer that question then he'll know why to bet more
    I know, and I thought your response to it was hilarious.
  13. #13
    I think preflop, this is an over bet, especially since the hand can be 3 way at most. I don't understand why you bet almost the same amount on the flop as you did preflop. If you bet so big preflop, why not bet big on the flop. These smaller bets probably smell like weakness to your opponent, and he's taking advantage of a scare card.

    When you play your hand this strong preflop, no reason to slow it down on this kind of flop.
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    I think it is a fold. Likelyl built his stack by doing this same thing.

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