Quote Originally Posted by Pythonic
Chopper, what level do you play? Only 5/bb?
i only play 25NL right now.

i think winrates ARE absolutely worth mentioning/discussing. i also think they are a bit overrated/"mine's bigger than yours," too. let me explain:

winrates are for credibility. they let someone know whether they can beat a game or not. if you run 10+/100 over 10k hands, i feel its safer to say you are not...just on a heater. 10k is not much to base "true win rate" on, that is true, but 10k IS enough to get an idea of whether or not you are better than your competition.

winrates are also for credibility when responding to a thread, provided they are HONEST. anyone can say, "I run 12/100 over 50k hands," so, i guess they must be taken with a grain of salt. but, there are some guys in here that post VERY solid advice, and i like to know where THEY stand.

i dont agree that 20k is the "new 10k." what changed in the world of poker? i do agree that 20k is BETTER than 10k, but 10k is a fine starting point...you get an upswing and a downswing in there most times, and by 20k, yes, it changes more, but if you run a 5+ over 10k hands, it doesnt go negative all of a sudden by the time you reach 20k.

i am not saying that the numbers we post are TRUE win rates...but c'mon. they do give you a clue. and when questioned, if honest, they do give credibility to a poster/responder.

besides, most of the newer players want/need to know what means they are "good at poker." so, i doubt the "winrate discussions" will ever stop. complaining about their "true validity" just encourages the "e-penis waving" and makes the complainer look bitchy...even if his is bigger.