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10NL: trip 7's w/ Jack kicker facing all in

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  1. #1

    Default 10NL: trip 7's w/ Jack kicker facing all in

    This hand was pretty early in the session. I could tell this villain was limping in with a very wide range of hands, but I hadn't really gotten any reads on how he plays post-flop.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (BB) ($9.81)
    UTG ($15.29)
    MP ($18.37)
    Villain (Button) ($7.09)
    SB ($3.88)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, J
    2 folds, Villain calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.30) A, 8, 7 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, Villain checks

    Turn: ($0.30) 7 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, Villain bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1, Villain raises to $6.99 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ???

    I figure the guy has a legitimate hand, but in the back on my mind I was wondering if he could be making a move with something like 10 9 of diamonds. I was also a little worried he might have been slow playing and made a set on the flop since, other than the fact that he liked to limp in a lot, I didn't have any reads on the guy.

    Is my jack kicker likely to be good here?
  2. #2
    You need 42% equity (call 5.99 to win 8.29).

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    Board: Ad 8c 7h 7d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 57.914% 53.00% 04.91% 653 60.50 { Js7c }
    Hand 1: 42.086% 37.18% 04.91% 458 60.50 { 88, A8s-A7s, Td9d, 87s, 75s+, 6d5d, A8o-A7o, 87o, 75o+ }

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    If you think that range is about accurate than call- but it's a good thread because I normally fold in a spot like that- I was a little surprised at our equity against that range.
  3. #3
    I can't imagine the villain not putting some sort of bet in if he hit the flop. If he's got two pair, (A7, 87) he has to start building a pot for value. He could have had a naked ace, and now that he has two pair, he feels better about getting a chop against another ace. He could have the 15-outer, as you suggest, and be happy to either win the hand here or get a call and chase. If he had 88, he's got to bet the flop at least a micro amount to see if you guys have anything to call with.

    Of course, if he crushed the flop, he might be hoping one of you takes a stab at it, and could be stacking off with Ax, but without some read on him, it's tough to know.
  4. #4
    bet the turn wtf
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    bet the turn wtf
    Yeah, he said that. But does he call the RRAI?
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by dontezuma
    I can't imagine the villain not putting some sort of bet in if he hit the flop. If he's got two pair, (A7, 87) he has to start building a pot for value. He could have had a naked ace, and now that he has two pair, he feels better about getting a chop against another ace. He could have the 15-outer, as you suggest, and be happy to either win the hand here or get a call and chase. If he had 88, he's got to bet the flop at least a micro amount to see if you guys have anything to call with.

    Of course, if he crushed the flop, he might be hoping one of you takes a stab at it, and could be stacking off with Ax, but without some read on him, it's tough to know.
    i guess i am a lowly 2nl player, but imo tons of people like to check their 2pairs, sets on the flop to try and slowplay, especially if he is a fish that is limpling a lot
  7. #7
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    Read this thread then post your own analysis of whether you should call or not.

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...in-t87954.html

    In addition, for fuck's sake bet the turn.
  8. #8
    Well, the pot was 7.29, and it was going to be 5.99 to call, so I would have needed 45.1% equity to call. Using the most conservative range I could come up with (see below), it looks like I had 52% equity.

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 52.652% 41.82% 10.83% 828 214.50 { Js7c }
    Hand 1: 47.348% 36.52% 10.83% 723 214.50 { 88-77, A8s-A7s, K7s, Q7s, J7s, T7s, 97s, 87s, 75s+, A8o-A7o, K7o, Q7o, J7o, T7o, 97o, 87o, 75o+ }

    Obviously, if you add in drawing hands like Td9d and 6d5d, my equity would have been even higher, so I guess calling was the right play.
  9. #9
    pot was 8.29 imo
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  10. #10
    ^^^ my mistake, thanks. So I guess I actually only needed 42% equity to call, and I think I had at least that against any range I can put him on.

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