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    Default 10NL : AA facing flop min c/r in 3-bet pot

    Less than 20 hands on villian so no reads.

    Ok so ignoring the fact that i should have 4-bet pre (yeah tricksy tricksy retard i am lol) can i ever fold this oin flop ? If we calling flop bet then we have to call a turn shove that is less than PSB.

    Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

    UTG: $10.30
    CO: $14.65
    Hero (BTN): $10.00
    SB: $9.35
    BB: $7.30

    Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with A A
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $0.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.60

    Flop: ($1.90) 6 K 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB raises to $2.70, Hero?

    EDIT : Also how do i get my signature to show the actuialy image instead of the link ?
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    flatting is fine
    shoving the flop is fine too, he won't fold a king
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    Edit: Villain can easily be doing this with AA and KK, and will have played it the same if he had AK and 3bet so let us assume villain's range is AA, KK, AK, then becuase we have 2 aces and there is a king on the board, he can have exactly
    1 combo of AA
    3 combos of KK
    6 combos of AK

    we have a lil edge vs AA due to the backdoor flush draw, and crush AK about the same as we are killed by KK. pokerstoving shows that we are indeed like a 63% favorite. If we discount AK to being only 3 combos (sometimes he flats AK as opposed to 3betting), then
    equity = 91% * 3/7 (AK) + 12% *3/7 (KK) + 52% *1/7 (AA) = 51%

    So shoving is fine even if we discount AK to account for those times that he doesnt 3bet it. i almost prefer a flat though because i feel his range might also include QQ. If this were the case, the other 3 hands are stacking or getting stacked regardless, but QQ might fire again on the turn whereas theyd fold to a bet from us (aside from assuming the flop raise was a cbet). I think it may be a bit unlikely though, maybe like 15% of the time, and it changes our equity enough so that i like calling a lil better.

    edit again: i beleive you just put [img] and [/img] before and after the link
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    Don't see how he can have QQ here after c/r the flop. Just shove.
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    didnt see it was a c/r. QQ might do some batshit things like raise a flop bet when they had initiative..but they prefer to lead than c/r. i agree then, shoving flop seems like the best option.
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    Shove... and don't get pissed off when he shows up w/ KK.
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    Shove it in, doubt he would ever fold AK and you beat everything in his range but KK.
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    Default Re: 10NL : AA facing flop min c/r in 3-bet pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilpopcorn
    can i ever fold this oin flop ? If we calling flop bet then we have to call a turn shove that is less than PSB.
    no. it's not a coin flip.
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    fold to the minraise, villain obv has KK

    the fact that we have the As and two of the Aces in the deck is also reason enough to fold

    k I'm leveling a little bit, but I wouldn't shove
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    fold to the minraise, villain obv has KK

    the fact that we have the As and two of the Aces in the deck is also reason enough to fold

    k I'm leveling a little bit, but I wouldn't shove
    he could easily have a retarded hand like KJ (??) or QsTs
    look at his retarded 3b sizing
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    his 3bet sizing is 1bb off from being perfect imo

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