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I was watching it last night and was amazed at how many times he correctly put them on a hand. I can't remember the specifics but he had TPTK with a rainbow board and laid it down puting the guy on a set of 4's and was right on the money...

Does these types of reads come simply from experience or are there specific things that you can watch for. I suppose betting patterns are one "tell" but he was not putting them on a "range of hands" he was nailing the exact hand almost every time....

ya hes a decent hand reader

Originally Posted by villagenut

I was watching it last night and was amazed at how many times he correctly put them on a hand. I can't remember the specifics but he had TPTK with a rainbow board and laid it down puting the guy on a set of 4's and was right on the money...

Does these types of reads come simply from experience or are there specific things that you can watch for. I suppose betting patterns are one "tell" but he was not putting them on a "range of hands" he was nailing the exact hand almost every time....

He is very good at reading hands but remember that he is also doing this in the hopes that people show their cards (i.e. ha! you think I have 44??, I actually have AT u idiot, see let me show you) and what gets put on tv are the times when he actually gets it right.

I was watching Poker Superstars III last night, and he put Todd Brunson on K4. Now, how in the world do you do that?

Originally Posted by Sprayed

I was watching Poker Superstars III last night, and he put Todd Brunson on K4. Now, how in the world do you do that?

Deductive reasoning. It becomes easier with familiarity. In truth he made a lucky guess, but it was one hand from a small group range that was likely for the way Brunson was acting. Remember, Daniel was all in already, so Brunson had no need to get stone faced on his decision. He wrote the book of K-rag with his expressions.

Aok, Daniels style is not as much a style, as it is playing poker the way it's supposed to be played. If you're good postflop, you should be seeing at least a 3rd of all your flops. It's the responsibility of every serious poker player to open up their starting hand requirements and get jiggy with it after the flop as they move up. The difference between good and great players has nothing to do with the hands they're playing. It has to do with how they're playing them.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

Originally Posted by Sprayed

I was watching Poker Superstars III last night, and he put Todd Brunson on K4. Now, how in the world do you do that?

Deductive reasoning. It becomes easier with familiarity. In truth he made a lucky guess, but it was one hand from a small group range that was likely for the way Brunson was acting. Remember, Daniel was all in already, so Brunson had no need to get stone faced on his decision. He wrote the book of K-rag with his expressions.

Makes perfect sense, because K5 would be an instant call so he just guessed that it had to lower than K5. Right? Explain the pot odds call he made with 84s.

Originally Posted by Sprayed

Originally Posted by Rondavu

Originally Posted by Sprayed

I was watching Poker Superstars III last night, and he put Todd Brunson on K4. Now, how in the world do you do that?

Deductive reasoning. It becomes easier with familiarity. In truth he made a lucky guess, but it was one hand from a small group range that was likely for the way Brunson was acting. Remember, Daniel was all in already, so Brunson had no need to get stone faced on his decision. He wrote the book of K-rag with his expressions.

Makes perfect sense, because K5 would be an instant call so he just guessed that it had to lower than K5. Right? Explain the pot odds call he made with 84s.

It was K3! Get it right nub!

When you're playing against people you totally outclass then you should be playing a lot more hands... If that isn't the case then I wouldn't try to emulate him.

Some of the hands may have seemed like a hard read but was actually simple.
Some were just fucking unbelievable!!!

I think with Negreanu's style you def need to be a solid postflop player and hand reader. Alot of beginners/intermediates (and me too) would find ourselves in awkward situations if we played his style without enough experience. Of course you have to start somewhere so I guess $5 SNG's wouldn't be a bad idea.

Originally Posted by givememyleg

Originally Posted by Sprayed

Originally Posted by Rondavu

Originally Posted by Sprayed

I was watching Poker Superstars III last night, and he put Todd Brunson on K4. Now, how in the world do you do that?

Deductive reasoning. It becomes easier with familiarity. In truth he made a lucky guess, but it was one hand from a small group range that was likely for the way Brunson was acting. Remember, Daniel was all in already, so Brunson had no need to get stone faced on his decision. He wrote the book of K-rag with his expressions.

Makes perfect sense, because K5 would be an instant call so he just guessed that it had to lower than K5. Right? Explain the pot odds call he made with 84s.

It was K3! Get it right nub!

You say potatoes, I say cumquat. K5/K3, what's the dif?

Two thoughts:

First, it's a Live game. Against weak opposition in a live game Daniel has a sick, sick, sick edge. Put him against stronger opponents and he loses some of that. Put him in an online game and by all accounts he's just a pretty strong player who probably gets himself in trouble because he's used to getting away with loose play.

Second, in a tourney there is no rake taken out of each pot. Playing 25NL or 50NL like that is swimming very hard upstream against the rake.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Put him against stronger opponents and he loses some of that.

Apparently "some of that" = $1,000,000+

Adios Big Game.

Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye

Originally Posted by Fnord

Put him against stronger opponents and he loses some of that.

Apparently "some of that" = $1,000,000+

Adios Big Game.

What happened?

Neagreanu dropped 1 mil.+ in the big game and said he won't be playing in it for awhile.

Yeah, but -$1M over how long? In one session?

I think it was over the whole event, although i heard he wasted about 47 buy-ins in the main NLHE event...

Originally Posted by skinnyolly

i heard he wasted about 47 buy-ins in the main NLHE event...

If your talking about the rebuy event, it's how he plays that event... He isnt in it to win money, he is there to win a bracelet.

Also, DN said that the average main event players in the WSOP were the worse players post flop players he had ever ran into... He started off playing tight, saw how bad they were and opened up his game all the way... I dont think this would work in ring even against the worse players.

yeah, definitely- i saw him comment on it on the poker channel and he described it as 'a bad day', i guess thats what separates the proverbial men from the boys, he takes that beat and doesnt think twice- presumably knowing he played his (winning) game.

But 47K+ in one day!

I think the reason there are so many bad post-flop players is that the main event is relatively 'open' to any one and their dog. But i guess thats part of its charm...