Quote Originally Posted by aokrongly
Quote Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
Quote Originally Posted by aokrongly
And the point of nut hunting and trapping is that you can get agressive people who throw out pot sized bets on every street to double you up.
Weak-tight. Decent players aren't going to pay you off.
I have to disagree with this one. They will pay you off. They do pay you off. They are compelled to pay you off. If I'm counterplaying AA and you are standard playing KQ and the flop is K high and there is any sort of draw on the board then you are compelled to bet this between 1/2 and pot size. I check into you, you bet, I call. (I'm obviously on whatever draw is out there or am playing tp bad kicker). so on the turn you fire away again. Hopefully, on the river the draw misses and I get to check/raise you or just throw out a big bet. Why wouldn't you call me down? Every indication is that I have a busted draw hand. I limped preflop, check/called through the river and only now am throwing out a big bet to see if it sticks. It's an autocall followed by "WTF!! You're a horrible player!! How can you limp AA?? You're an idiot!!!" in chat.
1) I haven't played $25 NL in a while, but I don't remember many of the players betting their busted draws. They're line is almost always: check-call, check-call, fold when missed.

2) The check-call, check-big re-raise line is transparent. A decent player will see through it.

3) The most critical problem with "counterplay" is that you're never in control of the action. You completely ignore the importance of taking control of a hand. With the example you gave, what if I actually had a set. I wouldn't play it much, if any different, than TP. You have no idea where you stand when you play so passively as you are recommending. If I actually have a set or two pair you're screwed. Instead of giving yourself a chance to get away sooner and for less money you're waiting until the end to finally put money in. By then you're often screwed because the pot is so swollen that you're committed. People that play like this are the same ones that bitch and moan about their aces getting cracked repeatedly.

I've said it before. Others have said it before. This is horrible advice. You should not be advising beginners to play like this. If you do then at the very least you should also include a disclaimer describing the inherent dangers of playing in such a manner.