[5NL] JJ Line Check

Villain was 22/16/12 (3bet) through 152 hands. Fold to cbet 0%, 0/1.

Had no real notes on villain other than I had seen him 3bet with AJs and AQo. He had also defended his blind calling with JTo.

Because of the small amount of info I have on him, it tells me he doesn't get out of line very often.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $6.69
BB: $4.00
UTG: $8.21
Hero (MP): $6.46
CO: $5.48
BTN: $2.59

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J J

fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, SB calls $0.18, fold

Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) 8 3 5
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.85, 2 players) J
SB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

River: ($4.25, 2 players) Q
SB checks, Hero checks

Should I have played this hand any differently?

Flop - I thought maybe I should have 3bet the flop, but I have very little experience with 3betting on flops so not sure how I would proceed if I get called/4bet.

Turn - Feels like the best card but also could be the worst card. Should I be raising here with FD's completed, or just call and re-eval on the river?

River - I don't feel like I can ever bet for value here, probably only really happy with my play on this street.

Thoughts and opinions appreciated.

Once you get better reads on people's flop tendencies, there are some ppl that you can happily get it in on the flop against.

Otherwise, I think you played it fine.

dont really like 3b'ing flop unless we know he will seriously overvalue 8x or 99-TT here. turn and river i think are fine

Definitely trying to get it in on the turn because there are too many river cards that kill your action. I accept I'm going to pay off villain sometimes when he has turned the flush but I think that's a reasonable price to pay.

What I don't want to see happening is an A or K on the river that might scare villain or a heart that scares both of us. For that reason I want to get it in on turn.

Originally Posted by HarryHatless

Definitely trying to get it in on the turn because there are too many river cards that kill your action. I accept I'm going to pay off villain sometimes when he has turned the flush but I think that's a reasonable price to pay.

What I don't want to see happening is an A or K on the river that might scare villain or a heart that scares both of us. For that reason I want to get it in on turn.

What hand do you think villain has, such that an A or K would scare him, but the turned heart already didn't?

Originally Posted by griffey24

What hand do you think villain has, such that an A or K would scare him, but the turned heart already didn't?

Good point. Sometimes I don't think straight.

wp.
Not raising the turn as he has a ton of flushes in his range.
I don't think raising the flop is good against a continuing range of sets, FD+overcards and combo draws. It becomes arguable if he would continue to a 3b with 8x, 99-JJ.

Reraise flop to about 1,80 and maybe ship in turn

About 3betting the flop, I hadn't paid attention in the first place, but his raise size is really small so if we start giving free cards to such small raises, we also become exploitable. So 3betting the flop starts to look more like an option now.

However if we do that and we raise half pot to $1.6 and he shoves, what then?

edit: to answer my own question, against a 4b range of 88,55,33,AhKh,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,Ah9h,Ah8h,Ah7h,Ah6h,A h5h,Ah4h,Ah3h,Ah2h,KhQh,KhJh,KhTh,QhJh,QhTh,JhTh,J h9h,Th9h,Th8h,9h8h,9h7h,8h7h,8h6h,7h6h,6h5h
we get 38.3% equity and the pot odds are about 37% so with rake that would make a call about breakeven.

If you 3b this flop, do you make it smaller and 3b/fold, or do you make it bigger and 3b/call?

Originally Posted by daviddem

About 3betting the flop, I hadn't paid attention in the first place, but his raise size is really small so if we start giving free cards to such small raises, we also become exploitable.

"exploitable" and "being exploited" are very different. i suspect in this case we're dealing with the former and not the latter. this is 5nl. most of our opponent probably don't actually understand what "explotation" is.

regardingt he hand, i could be wrong but i think 3bet/calling this flop gets our money in against hands which have us crushed or are basically flipping. and 3b/folding a hand like this on this board is pretty bad too imo

edit: also, villain is a reg flatting from the SB vs a HJ (i think?) open in a likely-to-be HU pot. i think your range is too optimistic in that it contains too many flush draws.

I'd start with villain's range. This type of player does not often flat 4bb MP opens in the SB.

Originally Posted by surviva316

I'd start with villain's range. This type of player does not often flat 4bb MP opens in the SB.

A lot of set mining there imo. But does he really raise flop so small with a set?