[5NL] AQo, 3bet pot, turn decision.

UTG - Villain was 26/26/22 (3bet) through 48 hands. Folded to 1/1 3bet. Hadn't faced a cbet so no stats for that. Villain had played 4/7 hands from EP, raising every time.

Button - 45/3/0 (3bet) through 34 hands. Had folded to 66% cbets, 2/3.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $5.00
MP: $10.28
Hero (CO): $11.54
BTN: $4.33
SB: $5.00
BB: $4.90

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to $0.15, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.57, 3 players) 5 7 Q
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, UTG calls $0.85

Turn: ($4.12, 3 players) K
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.65, fold, Hero calls $0.65

River: ($5.42, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.33 and is all-in, Hero ???

I think the river is an easy fold as there is no Q left that I am ahead of, QT is a possibility I suppose, AK hit on the turn, I am behind to KK/AA and even JJ got there on the river.

My main focus is the call on the turn. The bet was too small to fold to ( I hate folding to stupidly small bets ), but I don't just like calling either.

Should I have lead out again?

Should I have raised this and should I be happy to get my stack in on the turn?

I wouldn't have 3bet this vs an UTG open.

Does 26/26 mean everypot he's been in he has open raised? So he hasn't cold called or overcalled etc.?

I'm unsure of what's the best play on the turn as well. Obviously folding isn't an option. I would have played it the same, i think check raising the turn seriously over reps your hand and given BTN's stack size i don't think you have any fold equity, also it's not a great hand to bluff with, i think if you were going to try and check raise as a bluff here AcJc or AcQc would be like the only hands in your range that would be worth considering.

I would call turn and fold river, but i'm also unsure on how to best play this turn.

Originally Posted by seven-deuce

I wouldn't have 3bet this vs an UTG open.

Does 26/26 mean everypot he's been in he has open raised? So he hasn't cold called or overcalled etc.? - Yeah, every pot he played, he open raised

I'm unsure of what's the best play on the turn as well. Obviously folding isn't an option. I would have played it the same, i think check raising the turn seriously over reps your hand and given BTN's stack size i don't think you have any fold equity, also it's not a great hand to bluff with, i think if you were going to try and check raise as a bluff here AcJc or AcQc would be like the only hands in your range that would be worth considering.

I would call turn and fold river, but i'm also unsure on how to best play this turn.

You don't 3bet even though he 26/26 and seems to be opening up UTG more than average, 4/7.

I am partially 3betting for value and partially to try and get it HU with UTG. Is this bad logic? ( We were only just talking in another thread about 3betting vs loose players for value, I thought this was a good spot for that, is that wrong also? )

Also, if I raise the turn, am I turning my hand into a bluff? As it's highly unlikely I am getting called by worse?

In the other hand it was BvB vs a complete fish can't remember his stats but he wasn't opening everypot he played and wasn't folding to 3bets.

In this hand your 3betting an UTG open from the CO with a station on the BTN 45/3 so he's calling a lot.

So an UTG range is going to be alot stronger from this 26/26 than the maniac that raised your BB from SB in the other hand.

I'm kind rushing cuz i gotta get my dinner, but by 3betting this UTG open your over repping your hand and if he 4bets, without some kinda dynamic or w/e, you have to fold.

This villain has also shown he can fold to a 3bet, how do you think your AQ is gonna fair vs his continuing range? You could probably call profitably with AQ vs this guy if he is opening light but 3betting isn't as good because, you fold out worse and better is probably just gonna 4bet so you have to fold. Because 3betting utg shows such strength all the AT AJ KQ etc you could have seen a flop against 3betting makes him fold these weaker hands. Pure ramble of a post.

But the main reason is between the 2 different hands there 2 different scenarios, one villain never folded to 3bet one villain did, one was playing super wide, the other was playing loose but not super loose and one opened from utg while the other was BvB when the guy was opening your SB alot.

The thing with checking on the turn is that you need to have some balance.

The fact that I don't think you ever check KQ, KK and other good hands which beat paired kings would tell me that if I had a K in my hand I had you beat.

I personally thing you should be betting the turn, as your cbet range on the flop includes a lot more K type hands than your checking range does so it doesn't give away your strength.


A Question for you:

If the river is a dead card say a 2, what do you do to the BTNs bet?

Originally Posted by ImSavy

The thing with checking on the turn is that you need to have some balance.

Nah, not really.

^^^ This

It's 5nl, stop thinking it's 5/10. Nobody's watching and you won't even see anyone at the tables long enough to get a sample for balance. If you have 5K hands on any opponent at $25NL and under you need to reassess what your doing in this game

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Nah, not really.

Still completely gives away his hand strength. Which was the more important point.

But noted.

Originally Posted by ImSavy

Still completely gives away his hand strength. Which was the more important point.

But noted.

I said what I said because of the opponent. It's okay if we give away our hand strength because he's not going to pick up on that information. Knowing what a balanced strategy looks like in this spot is fine as long as you realize that it's there as a reference point so that you know how to adjust to different opponents.

If he wanted balance, he could just add a semi-bluffing range.