Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
The point is not to look at the EV of the shove in a vacuum, it's to compare it to the EV of other plays.

How do you profit when he only calls the shove with hands equal to or better than yours, and he folds all the hands that you crush? He is not making any mistake.

If you were taking the above ranges for granted, you'd be much better off calling, even oop.

Now for the actual hand/ranges, I think he calls a lot with much worse, and you may get folds from some lower PP's, so shoving is still fine.
This is the point I am trying to make. Against most regs, this is the situation you will find yourself in most often.