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    Default [5NL] AKo OOP line check

    Villain is 26/21/4 (3bet) through 236 hands. Opens UTG 31% of the time, 9/29. Fold to 3bet pre, 40%, 4/10. 37% cbet, 7/19.

    Had a few notes on villain. Had seen him play KK fairly passively on a wet board, betting flop, checking turn, c/c river.

    I knew he overplayed FD's. Had seen him call UTG raise in BB with AQo. Flopped NFD on mono flop, c/c 3/4 PSB. C/c 3/4 PSB on turn, checks river missing flush but hitting a Q.

    Had also seen him call a 3bet IP with 77 and he had called a 3bet OOP with 64s.

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    UTG: $11.31
    MP: $5.00
    CO: $6.00
    BTN: $9.09
    SB: $12.57
    Hero (BB): $13.15

    SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05, CO posts DB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.12) Hero has A K

    UTG raises to $0.20, fold, CO calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.15

    Flop: ($0.82, 4 players) 8 2 A
    Hero checks, UTG bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40, fold, Hero raises to $1.60, UTG calls $1.20, fold

    Turn: ($4.42, 2 players) 6
    Hero bets $3.20, UTG calls $3.20

    River: ($10.82, 2 players) 4
    Hero bets $5.75, UTG calls $5.75

    I think I butchered this hand. I don't know where to start on putting villain on a range because he has just called me all the way down.

    Pre - Probably should have 3bet pre but not really happy being OOP in a big pot if UTG calls and then CO & button follow.

    Flop - I decided I was going to c/r this flop to try and thin the field rather than donk out, good or bad? I feel my c/r should have been much larger as I was trying to price out any FD's.

    Turn - Blank turn. Good bet sizing? What are you putting villain on here after he calls?

    River - Didn't like that FD's had been completed given reads on villain. Should I have lead out or c/c?

    When villain kept calling I had put him on AK/AQ/22/88 & FD's. Although I feel villain may 3bet if he had flopped a set? Not sure villain would carry on with KK/QQ given action on each street.

    Thoughts?
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    Pre - Probably should have 3bet pre but not really happy being OOP in a big pot if UTG calls and then CO & button follow.
    Are you happy about calling and guarantee being OOP vs 3 players? Sounds like UTG is not a nit so you can get plenty of value from him 3betting, also it serves to most likely cut down the number of opponents. Your proposed scenario of everybody calling the 3bet seems unlikely. As played I think your postflop line is fine tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    Are you happy about calling and guarantee being OOP vs 3 players? Sounds like UTG is not a nit so you can get plenty of value from him 3betting, also it serves to most likely cut down the number of opponents. Your proposed scenario of everybody calling the 3bet seems unlikely. As played I think your postflop line is fine tbh.
    To be honest, I am not happy about just calling either, but was happier to keep the pot small than to chance being in a big pot OOP to 2/3 players.

    Also, you're not too worried about sets or badly played FD's that got there in this hand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra_1878 View Post
    To be honest, I am not happy about just calling either, but was happier to keep the pot small than to chance being in a big pot OOP to 2/3 players.
    That is absolutely awful logic.

    Maybe if you were set mining or had a good drawing hand you can call, not AK though imo.

    What is it that makes you think everyone will just call the 3bet? How often does that honestly happen? 3bet and you get one caller and when you hit your Ace you're in a super standard spot.
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    dont mind a 3b preflop vs this guy and even more so if you suspect CO or BU are possibly a bit stationy.

    i'd lead the flop because it's multiway and the PFR has low CB so it's going to checkcheckcheckcheck too often for my liking. plus we get value from worse A's and flush draws.

    as played OTT i'd probably bet $2.4 for the standard value/protection reasons and i think i wanna C/F this river. reason being i'm not sure we can bet for value again, and i don't expect him to value bet worse or have any pure bluffs in his range when we check to him.
    Last edited by rpm; 03-19-2013 at 08:34 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra_1878 View Post
    Villain is 26/21/4 (3bet) through 236 hands. Opens UTG 31% of the time, 9/29. Fold to 3bet pre, 40%
    Opens utg 31% is HUGE!

    This is all I need to see to make my decision regarding squeezing this hand preflop.

    On top of that he's only folding 3b 40%, so even more reason to be squeezing.

    If utg had a very tight opening range, and was tight overall, I'd like your line a lot more.

    As played, I think it's fine. River sucks obviously. I'd contemplate c/f river, as it's pretty optimistic to hope for AQ to call down now.
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    info about CO? he posts, so seems fishy.

    +1 to 3b pre
    mostly +1 to lead flop depending on CO

    As played turn is fine I think.
    River unsure, I hate these spots as I am never sure if they turn a worse pair into a bluff when we check and they bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    info about CO? he posts, so seems fishy.

    +1 to 3b pre
    mostly +1 to lead flop depending on CO

    As played turn is fine I think.
    River unsure, I hate these spots as I am never sure if they turn a worse pair into a bluff when we check and they bet.
    i'd expect very very few villains to call down this far and turn a pair hand into a bluff on the river. unless it's like mid pair+missed FD.
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    3bet pre because you don´t want to see the flop against 3 players. Anyway i like the way you play in flop and turn but may be in the river i dont know very well what i do
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    literally stopped reading when you didn't 3b pre. holy wow oh wow oh wow.
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    sorry, that's probably not constructive, but preflop is like a dream spot to 3b on so so so many levels.

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