[5NL] 77 UTG line check.

Villain was 26/20/15 (3bet) through 172 hands. 60% cbet, 9/15. Had only seen villain 3bet with KK & AKo.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $2.91
BB: $14.43
Hero (UTG): $9.74
MP: $2.41
CO: $28.20
BTN: $10.66

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 7 7

Hero raises to $0.20, fold, CO raises to $0.50, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.07, 2 players) 9 5 7
Hero checks, CO bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.57, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, CO bets $0.85, Hero raises to $2.40, CO calls $1.55

River: ($7.37, 2 players) J
Hero bets $6.09 and is all-in, CO calls $6.09

Pre - When villain 3bets pre I put him on TT+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo.

Is this range too tight for a 26/20/15? Could we include 88+, KJs, QJs, JTs?

Flop - He cbets. With a 60% cbet I think we can include some air in his range. I think he probably cbets with nearly all the original pre flop range I gave villain on this flop, maybe excluding KQ.

Turn - He bets again and calls a c/r. I think his range narrows down to TT+. Although I am not sure if villain would 3bet with KK+. Is it possible to include 88/99 in villain's range?

River - I shove for pure value. The only hands that I think villain could have that beat me is TT & JJ. Possibly 88/99 but I think that's unlikely.

Thoughts?

For your range, I would assign a more polarized range like TT+,AK,AQs for value along with Axs and SC's as bluffs.

Raise flop imo, for value against overpairs and straight draws.
As played, turn raise is fine.
River idk, do you still think you get called by QQ+ here?

edit: is this his standard 3b sizing pre???

Originally Posted by daviddem

For your range, I would assign a more polarized range like TT+,AK,AQs for value along with Axs and SC's as bluffs.

Raise flop imo, for value against overpairs and straight draws. It's a fairly dry flop so thought it would be better to just c/c and then c/r the turn. What SD's do you think villain has in his 3bet range?
As played, turn raise is fine.
River idk, do you still think you get called by QQ+ here? I think so, I doubt villain is putting me on a set, or any 6x/Tx type hands, other than TT. Although the only hand he really beats now in my range is QQ, you may be right.

edit: is this his standard 3b sizing pre???

Yeah, 2.5x IP.

JTs=gutshot + overs
T8s=OESD

Originally Posted by daviddem

JTs=gutshot + overs
T8s=OESD

JTs might be in villain's pre 3bet range, although it seems a bit optimistic, but I don't think T8s is.

i'd be C/Ring this flop all day when we are this deep. we need to start getting stacks into the pot with a hand this strong. give him the chance to make mistakes w/QQ+.

i'd prefer to lead this turn card than C/R as played

i also think you are pretty much owning yourself shoving this river.

Originally Posted by rpm

i'd be C/Ring this flop all day when we are this deep. we need to start getting stacks into the pot with a hand this strong. give him the chance to make mistakes w/QQ+.

i'd prefer to lead this turn card than C/R as played

i also think you are pretty much owning yourself shoving this river.

That's interesting. Basically, you're saying I couldn't have played this hand any worse.

That's a fairly dry flop in a 3bet pot. Yeah overpairs would continue, but not much else. If he was cbetting with a marginal hand/air I want him to do it again on the turn. If he does have the overpair, he will fire again on most turns anyway and I can c/r then setting up a river shove.

Why is that such bad logic?

Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

That's a fairly dry flop in a 3bet pot. Yeah overpairs would continue, but not much else. If he was cbetting with a marginal hand/air I want him to do it again on the turn. If he does have the overpair, he will fire again on most turns anyway and I can c/r then setting up a river shove.

Why is that such bad logic?

if you think villain is the type to double barrel bluff too much then i like your flop C/C for sure, but we don't know that villain is capable of firing more than one barrel as a bluff. also, i think that these kind of board textures are very rarely barreled as a bluff, and i suspect double-barrel bluffing is pretty damn rare at these stakes to begin with.

it's true that overpairs will very likely fire again, but i just think they are more likely to commit the full ~200bb if we go C/R, bet, shove than if we go C/C, C/R, shove. i just feel like the second line (C/Ring turn instead of flop) is going to be perceived (and probably rightly so, do you ever C/R bluff turns?) as being far stronger.

Originally Posted by rpm

if you think villain is the type to double barrel bluff too much then i like your flop C/C for sure, but we don't know that villain is capable of firing more than one barrel as a bluff. also, i think that these kind of board textures are very rarely barreled as a bluff, and i suspect double-barrel bluffing is pretty damn rare at these stakes to begin with. - I agree with the double barrel bluffing, which is why I chose to c/r the turn as I thought he was showing strength.

I just thought that if I c/r the flop I might miss out on later value if he was cbetting with air.

it's true that overpairs will very likely fire again, but i just think they are more likely to commit the full ~200bb if we go C/R, bet, shove than if we go C/C, C/R, shove. i just feel like the second line (C/Ring turn instead of flop) is going to be perceived (and probably rightly so, do you ever C/R bluff turns?) as being far stronger.

Completely agree, hadn't really thought of how my line looks to villain. That does look incredibly strong.

You're right as well, I very rarely c/r the turn as a bluff. Points taken.

i'll add a bit more of my rationale to this post for clarification to/criticism by cobra.

Originally Posted by rpm

i'd be C/Ring this flop all day when we are this deep. we need to start getting stacks into the pot with a hand this strong. give him the chance to make mistakes w/QQ+.

think i've covered in above post why i like to C/R flop. cliffs: we start building a pot to win stacks, we have more bluffs in our range bombing now vs doing it on turn, and i don't expect many opponents to give us another bet with air on the turn anyway

i'd prefer to lead this turn card than C/R as played

not actually so sure about this one now because as played we basically have to C/R now or OTR if we want to get stacks in. my original rationale was that we get reasonable value from villain's calling range and villain will probably actually only bet a pretty strong range and check beck a lot of hands with reasonable equity vs us (with so much straight potential at this point in the hand). i think i still prefer to lead this card than check, but i'm not so sure. wish we'd C/R'd flop

i also think you are pretty much owning yourself shoving this river.

i just cant see villain making a 100+bb calldown with any worse hands now that this board is so damn scary for anything but straights. we seem to be turning our hand into a bluff. Seems like we're making worse fold and putting 120bb on a plate for him the times he's backed into a straight .

c/r the flop instead of the turn, we need to build the pot against his strong range (TT+) and have more money to get in since we are deep.

Rasing on the turn just makes his overpairs fold.