[10NL] 4bet bluff gets called. Now what with TPWK?

Move tables preflop.

If villain is 3betting 16% pre then this is a very good hand to flat OOP. Also are you really 4b bluffing? Are you intending on folding to a jam pre?

As played, turn is a very easy c/c. I would bet the flop small'ish as well, because we would bet our air here. Bet $1.50ish on the flop.

I plan to fold if he jams pre. What is the worst "big card" hand you would call OOP? ATs? AJo?



If we call on the turn (and I actually did in the hand) what is our plan on:
a) diamonds b) straight cards c) blanks?


A lot of rivers are fairly scary and we have a 100bb potsized shove behind for the river.

Originally Posted by Pelion

If we call on the turn (and I actually did in the hand) what is our plan on: a) diamonds b) straight cards c) blanks

If you are worried about draws, then why did you check the flop and turn? Can't you value bet the turn after he checks through on the flop, since his check reduces the possibility that he has sets or AQ+? Wouldn't a turn bet of like 2.60 get him to fold a lot of his draws, since he would only have around 18% chance to hit his flush with one card to come? Are you worried about getting semi-bluffed off your hand?

(I'm sorry if I keep asking you stupid questions; I just don't understand why you took this line or why you were thinking about a CRAI. Maybe I am missing something because I am so used to playing with level 1 players where bet/fold is king.)

Originally Posted by Pelion

If we call on the turn (and I actually did in the hand) what is our plan on:
a) diamonds b) straight cards c) blanks?


A lot of rivers are fairly scary and we have a 100bb potsized shove behind for the river.

You've gotten yourself into a 4b pot, with TPGK vs an aggro. There is no folding for me here, the only question is how the money is going in. You betting or him betting.

Now that you've taken a c/c line, then we are c/c any river, cause any "scare card" might be perceived by this kind of villain as a good bluffing card.

River

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, €0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
UTG (€7.85)
MP (€4.60)
CO (€20.01)
Button (€7.85)
Hero (SB) (€13.68)
BB (€14.03)
Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
4 folds, Hero bets €0.30, BB raises to €0.90, Hero raises to €2, BB calls €1.10
Flop: (€4) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Turn: (€4) (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets €2.30, Hero calls €2.30

River: €8.60

Hero checks, BB shoves €9(ish), Hero ?



I really want to call. I don't feel villain has a TP all that often. I feel he would usually keep raising AA/KK/AK (and probably QQ) preflop given the dynamic. I also feel I have massively capped my range here, and he should see me as weak. If he's rivered some straight/set/something I'd expect him to bet smaller often.

What I don't like is that a lot of speculative preflop hands which he would often want to bluff on the river have now hit 2pair or a straight.

Thoughts? Put him on TJs and call?

Is he ever bluffing JJ/QQ here?

The way you played this hand, confusesthe situation sooo bad!

If I'm villain I put the top of your range at QQ-KK, and some other random 8x, 7x type 4b bluffs that c/c the turn.

I would comfortably be jamming any Ax hand I have here on the river. The confusing thing is that if he's an aggro he's prob betting most Ax on the flop, and certainly betting AQ if he has it. He's also for sure betting A8/A6 if he has those.

Assuming the only low Ax hands he's 3b and peeling are suited, the only two pairs he can have are A7dd and A5dd, but I'd imagine he'd very likely bet tp nut fd on flop so eliminate those.

So jamming the river is A2-A4hh, A9hh, AThh, AQo/AQs (discounted since most bet flop?). Maybe one or two Axdd combos. 78cc, 78ss, one combo of 89s (maybe the others ck back turn), maybe one 67s. Those are for value I suppose.

Who knows how many bluffs he might have here, he gets to the turn with his entire preflop 4b peeling range.

Not betting this flop is one thing, but not betting this turn is criminal!