Quote Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
if he has no Q, you should be way ahead, and he will continue to try and push you off...maybe with a lesser K
do you feel comfortable calling 3 streets hoping he has a weaker K? sb can have absolutely anything here (any Q, any K, flush draw, straight draw, combo draw). the draws are less likely to lead this flop though. most likely you are WA/WB. now normally we shouldn't bet/raise in a WA/WB situation if we think that all weaker hands will fold (this is easier said than done in some spots cuz it can just make things very uncomfortable for us). i don't think a weaker K always auto-folds to a flop raise here though. i prefer a raise and then try to showdown cheap unimproved.
thats maybe better advice, but my point was about being WA/WB and not giving up to quickly here. if you raise, though, a Q may call, may shove over, or anything in between. at what point are you willing to let go?

my example of the weak K was trying to point out what could be around and betting still...i give more credit to TT, 99, etc. yeah, its a drawy board that you dont want to give free cards to, and you would like to find out if the Q is out, i was more pointing out a thought process to avoid folding too early.

if a draw completes, yeah, you dug your grave, too. but with all those possibilities out there, i dont see raising doing anything to define your relative strength. draws call, Q may call, too...unless he's scared of the draws. dont you think if you raise, a combo like JsTs may push over, and you give up the better hand? obv, there are different ways to play the hand, and i am by no means saying mine is the best way.