Quote Originally Posted by daven
Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
Quote Originally Posted by daven
Hand 3: you have a very good hand. Maybe you are way, way ahead. SB bets out here with most holdings, I re-raise to try and find out where I stand. Just calling here is way too passive, raise or fold.
if you are WAY, WAY ahead, why do you RR the flop to "find out where you stand?" a bit contradictory. calling is not too passive when you have a villain leading into you, and you are confident you are well ahead in the hand.
because I want to find out now. I might also be way, way behind. I don't mind winning a small pot now, better than having to make a difficult decision when he pushes next street...
i fall into the same line of thinking ALL THE TIME here (watch my response to martin next) and it COSTS ME money. it took me a long time to figure this out, but i may finally have it.

run through it. if you are WA, raising folds off hands that would continue if you called, or better yet, hands that may have led out again. that costs you money by taking down small pots that should have been bigger. if you are WB, raising is really bad, as you are putting money in a pot with the worst of it. if you raise, and he smooth calls...now what did you learn about your WA/WB situation? nothing. you accidentally start to trap yourself in a pot you have no business being in.

here is not the greatest example of WA/WB, but it IS a spot where i usually would get VERY aggressive, and it would be bad to do so.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($10.10)
UTG ($10.45)
MP ($3.75)
CO ($3.45)
Button ($12.10)
SB ($13.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, T.
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.35) 2, T, 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.3, MP folds, CO raises to $0.6, Hero calls $0.30.
what calls me? i am classically WA/WB here. he limped pf, should rule out JJ+, but doesnt rule out other pp's, or a crazy 2Xs...like an A, K, Q looking for a flush draw on the flop. and i will never know the difference if i bet because they may not raise me back to tell me.

Turn: ($1.55) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.
this is where i pull the trigger usually, but for some reason i was still thinking that worse hands wont call me if i bet here, but better hands will certainly call me. oop sucks.

River: ($1.55) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.
look how small that bet was!! its prolly something that beats me, but i get info to note up for under a buck (.10 limp, .30 flop, nothing on turn, .50 river...$0.90) if i lose, i lose the absolute minimum, imo. and if i win, i will see absolute trash that most likely will prove to me that it would have folded to any further bet.

Final Pot: $2.55
he showed A2 for the boat, and took down a whopping $2.55. thanks for letting me off the hook cheap.

point is...if i get aggressive, it costs me more in the long run here. if he has 99, i doubt he calls a turn bet ui. raising, more often than not here, wins small pots and loses big ones. not a money maker in a limped pot pf.