Swiggidy's Sexy Combos

Since no one reads it anyway I'm going to move my operation thread here. By move I mean start it over since it wasn't going anywhere anyway.

So, if you're playing micro stakes lets gogogo. See if/how long it takes me to move up. I currently don't have Omaha PT so I don't know BB/100 or # hands. I don't care. I can and am currently beating 10PLO. Only a little under one order of magnitude from facing off with salsa.

So some current thoughts, hopefully not very many people I'm playing find this and start "lol, I'm in ur headz pwing u"

6max Microstakes (subject to change):
"Always" raise pot pre with a playable hand from BU or CO. The players either have heard "you can't make big mistakes pre" or they're just loose passive bad. Most are tight post allowing for profitable cbet steals when you miss.

My "problem" where I donked off a sizable portion of my dwindling stars roll was being too aggressive overall. It helps to have either a very strong hand, or position. No reason to play mediocre hand OOP. So, open limp? No, fold, you're not giving up much.

I'll be thinking about how to write about post-flop so maybe someone else will respond, or at least salsa (maybe spenda) can tell me I'm wrong.

I currently have ~$50 on 2 sites and ~$200 on 2 sites. I'm going to stick to 10PLO until I get 10 buy-ins at a specific site. Am I hampering my growth? Maybe. Will I catch up fast when I figure out wtf I'm doing? Yes.

Originally Posted by swiggidy

6max Microstakes (subject to change):
"Always" raise pot pre with a playable hand from BU or CO. The players either have heard "you can't make big mistakes pre" or they're just loose passive bad. Most are tight post allowing for profitable cbet steals when you miss.

Yeah, against players who won't play back at you nearly enough on the flop, this works quite well. Of course, they don't need to play back too often to be +EV when you are cbetting full pot and they check raise full pot.

Say you raise to $0.35 Preflop and the BB calls (.05/.10 blinds). If you then bet $0.70 on the flop, they only need to check raise and make you fold one in four times to break even (lose 0.25 three times and then "win" $0.85 the 4th time).

Yeah, I shouldn't have said "cbet". However, usually you're not going headsup in these spots at microstakes. You're getting 3-4 callers it adjusts those odds. I stopped cbetting with more then 2 others seeing the flop unless I caught a piece.

Also, I call too much/don't read quite well enough to properly lagg it up.

On a side note, going to the 100/200 playmoney table and convincing everyone to flip is strangely therapeutic.

Originally Posted by KoRnholio

Originally Posted by swiggidy

6max Microstakes (subject to change):
"Always" raise pot pre with a playable hand from BU or CO. The players either have heard "you can't make big mistakes pre" or they're just loose passive bad. Most are tight post allowing for profitable cbet steals when you miss.

Yeah, against players who won't play back at you nearly enough on the flop, this works quite well. Of course, they don't need to play back too often to be +EV when you are cbetting full pot and they check raise full pot.

Say you raise to $0.35 Preflop and the BB calls (.05/.10 blinds). If you then bet $0.70 on the flop, they only need to check raise and make you fold one in four times to break even (lose 0.25 three times and then "win" $0.85 the 4th time).

don't forget that you'll have equity even when they do c/r you, you could even be ahead.

kick ass and take names, swiggidy

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

don't forget that you'll have equity even when they do c/r you, you could even be ahead.

That's true too. Against most weak-tight/passive opponents cbetting nearly always is good though. Thankfully there aren't many opponents who will be check-raising light against us in spots like that.

I don't think c/r'ing happens too much as players will start leading with their better hands anyways for fear of getting drawn-out on by free cards.

lol at 10PLO you can raise from the button 80% of the time, get 4 callers, check, check, check, bet, fold, fold, fold. lol

I was up 1.5 buy-ins, lost it all to some laggs who were floating/putting pressure on my air. Then TJ started talking to me and I went back up 2 buy-ins. I figure I'm good for 1/2 buy-in per table per hour. I usually 2 table because of lack of table selection options. Anyway, I'm about 20 hours from moving up. If I'm doing well I'll take a shot in 10 and maybe speed that up.

Thanks everyone for discussing in my suddenly popular operation blog. See if it holds up.

It's not holding up is it?

haha, no. I've only been playing sporadically and often nothing interesting happens.

Well, thanks to survivor football and winning a gauntlett my BR on stars is $250 so I played some 25PLO. At most 10PL tables you can run them over, so I"m cbetting and bet/folding TPish hands too much.

Fun Fact: I won $140 in 6 hands with the nuts vs crap, lol. Overall finished up $6. One table I won a grand total of $20 over ~100 hands, ran like garbage. I was focusing on the other table, so pretty sure I spewed a lot there. Generally I need to tighten up and play ABCish Omaha for awhile I think.

Why did I call it "New Operation" That's totally lame. If you red this feel free to suggest a better one.

So, I would say 25PLO is way different than 10PLO on stars. You get waaaaaaaaay more callers, even deep in hands. You also face more c/r, etc. So you can beat 10PLO just by raising a ton pre and cbetting. People call to much pre, but fold too much post, and you'll rarely get blown off a draw with a c/r on the flop. 25PLO, I'm tighting up a ton and have to run good to make money. But I can 3 bet from the button and 4 people will still call, so you almost have to stack off on the flop with this huge bloated pot. I've actually played 2-3 hours today already

Well, I overpayed an AA hand...

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($45.75)
MP ($16.95)
Button ($34.95)
SB ($18.85)
Hero ($59.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T, J, A, A.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.85, Button calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.5, MP calls $2.65, Button calls $2.65. Standard, figured I would get 2 calls pot committing MP. He was kinda tight

Flop: ($10.60) 2, 7, 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $10.1, MP folds, Button calls $10.10.
What a ghey flop, oh well, lets hope MP stacks off with KKxx

Turn: ($30.80) J (2 players)
Hero bets $29.3, Button calls $21.35 (All-In).
well, if I had completely bricked I give up I guess. But I had now had outs vs a 2 pair, and I don't think I've vs a set, awwwwrin

River: ($73.50) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

villain had J7xx and a gutshot on the flop, so calls turn then berates me, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Really, if I knew his hand I had enough equity to c/c turn (not that that's a good play)

meh PF is close to just a call really but that is a sexy AAxx combo.

lolz nice title edit!

k, was playing really lag at 10PLO, thus couldn't handle more than 2 tables. Was playing tighter today at 25PLO and had 4 tables up. Went up 2 -3 buy-ins early, broke even for a long time, then ran super cold and lost ~1 buy-in calling pre, or raising and completely bricking flops. Then just went on a heater and am up 6 buy-ins on the day. 6 more and I can take an underrolled shot at 50PLO.

What a fun day, 2.5 more buy-ins so only 3 away now. Seems like I can make this happen tomorrow.

I ran through another shitty stretch of cards, then these 2 back to back, ending the session.

Hand 2 - This guy was normally very agro. I know this is pretty thin, but I felt he had an 8 and would raise if he hit for the boat

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CO ($20.50)
Button ($67.80)
SB ($67.35)
BB ($41.05)
Hero ($31.75)
MP ($25.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , , , .
Hero raises to $0.5, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($2.50) , , (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2, CO folds, Button calls $2, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($6.50) (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls $6.

River: ($18.50) (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

Final Pot: $38.50

Results in white below:
Hero has (full house, fours full of eights).
Button has :Qh:
Outcome: Hero wins $38.50.

Hand 3 - villain is about as tight as they come. I feel like I still should have re-raised pre, although we are 160bb deep here. I flop good, shippidy shipit (yes I was scared after seeing the river).

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP ($20)
CO ($49.30)
Button ($66.85)
SB ($40.55)
Hero ($49.90)
UTG ($25.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , , , .
4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.75, SB raises to $1.35, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($2.60) , , (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $6.

Turn: ($18.60) (2 players)
SB bets $17.6, Hero raises to $35.2, SB calls $13.70 (All-In).

River: ($81.20) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $81.21

Results in white below:
SB has :Kc: (flush, king high).
Hero has :Ah: :Ac: (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $85.09.

I should be able to get a graph up tomorrow.

Swig, are you able to move money around. The UB O8hi/lo games are sheer stupidness. I never played and when soupie turned me on to it I started beating it easily, before I ever read a hand chart or strat. I will be moving to some more regular games in the future for sure.

Thanks TJ, I haven't played much O8, but I"ll keep this in mind. I'm running too sick right now to change.

I'm learning. This was a snap call on river

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saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($19.30)
Hero ($31.05)
UTG ($19.80)
MP ($30.25)
Button ($36.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, T, 2, 5.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.50) 9, 5, 9 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, UTG folds, MP calls $2, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($6.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP calls $5.

River: ($16.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP raises to $22.75, Hero calls $14.75.

Final Pot: $62

Results in white below:
MP shows: :Kh:

Holy one outers batman! or How to value call

Only read was villain leads a lot.

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SB ($59.90)
BB ($32.65)
UTG ($25.20)
MP ($46.75)
CO ($40.95)
Hero ($60.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , , , .
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($4.50) , , (3 players)
SB bets $3.5, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.50) (2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero calls $7.

River: ($25.50) (2 players)
SB bets $17.5, Hero raises to $45, SB calls $27.50.

Final Pot: $115.50

Results in white below:
[:Td: :Qh: :Ts: ]

I love that people take the idea that pre-flop hands run close in value and stack off light. This hand they're pretty close (i'll post the next one that's worse), but it's still -eV.

note: he hardly ever 3bets, so this isn't part of a balanced strategy.

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BB ($29.55)
UTG ($65.70)
Hero ($59.80)
CO ($42.25)
Button ($9.25)
SB ($37.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with , , , .
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, Button calls $1.50, SB raises to $6.5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $21.5, Button calls $7.75 (All-In), SB raises to $37.1, Hero calls $15.60.

Flop: ($28.25) , , (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($28.25) (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($28.25) (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $83.95

Results in white below:
SB has :Jh: :Jd: (two pair, jacks and fives).
Button has :Kh: :Qc:

Had 1/2 hour while waiting for pizza, so I figured WTF, I'll sit at a 100PLO table. Obv this guy has a straight, I have a ton of outs, didn't count this as an out, lol. Was 60/40 fav.

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UTG ($36.55)
Hero ($67.45)
CO ($38.60)
Button ($157.35)
SB ($147.45)
BB ($34.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, Q, T, Q.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $3, CO calls $3, Button calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($15.50) 9, J, 7 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $10, Hero raises to $44.75, CO folds, Button folds, BB folds, UTG calls $23.55 (All-In).

Turn: ($82.60) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($82.60) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $82.60
:Tc: :As:

Originally Posted by swiggidy

Holy one outers batman! or How to value call

Only read was villain leads a lot.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($59.90)
BB ($32.65)
UTG ($25.20)
MP ($46.75)
CO ($40.95)
Hero ($60.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , , , .
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($4.50) , , (3 players)
SB bets $3.5, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.50) (2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero calls $7.

River: ($25.50) (2 players)
SB bets $17.5, Hero raises to $45, SB calls $27.50.

Final Pot: $115.50

Results in white below:
[:Td: :Qh: :Ts: ]

lol wtf

I take another shot at 100PLO and run terrible, 3 hands in

Whatever, figured I was flipping with some over card kickers.

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Button ($164.10)
SB ($52.55)
Hero ($59)
UTG ($375)
MP ($121.05)
CO ($115.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 8, A, 2.
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 1 fold, Button calls $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($9.50) A, 7, 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $7, Button folds, Hero raises to $30.05, MP raises to $65, Hero calls $25.95 (All-In).

Turn: ($121.50) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($121.50) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $121.50

Results in white below:
Hero has Jc 8c Ad 2d (two pair, aces and eights).
MP has :Kh: :Ks: :As: :Ac: (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP wins $130.50.

3 hands later - totally misread this one, figured villain on top 2 or set or something.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($159.50)
BB ($52.05)
Hero ($60)
MP ($183.25)
Button ($114.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , , , .
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($6) , , (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $5, Hero calls $5, SB folds.

Turn: ($16) (2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero raises to $51.7, BB calls $33.05 (All-In).

River: ($106.10) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $106.10

Results in white below:
:Ad:

sick! well, you almost back doored the first hand lolz

So I talked to leg some today. He was asking me about stats and I kinda wish I hadn't said anything because they're really not important (except BB/100 being positive I guess). But he seemed really eager.

Anyway, I loaded all my old HH ("all", lol) and apparently I had played 2k hands of 25PLO, loosing $120 and 1k hands of 10PLO loosing $40. Def some drunk donking at 10PLO, but clearly I wasn't any good. Not sure what clicked recently (luckbox??).

All I'm sure of right now is that the weekend is a goldmine on stars.

found this while going through HH, lol

POKERSTARS GAME #13597767567: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/12/02 - 02:52:15 (ET)
Table 'Aemilia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: RupertMurdoc ($11.45 in chips)
Seat 3: swiggidy ($21.90 in chips)
Seat 4: indystopia ($40.05 in chips)
Seat 5: givememyleg ($17.25 in chips)
Seat 6: LolTrappedU ($56.05 in chips)
indystopia: posts small blind $0.05
givememyleg: posts big blind $0.10
hartlis1: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to swiggidy [8c Kc Js 9c]
LolTrappedU: raises $0.25 to $0.35
RupertMurdoc: folds
swiggidy: raises $0.65 to $1
indystopia: folds
givememyleg: raises $2.40 to $3.40
LolTrappedU: folds
swiggidy: calls $2.40
*** FLOP *** [4c Jc 3h]
givememyleg: bets $6.85
givememyleg said, "POT VALUE"
swiggidy: raises $11.65 to $18.50 and is all-in
givememyleg: calls $7 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4c Jc 3h] [9s]
swiggidy said, "let's dance"
*** RIVER *** [4c Jc 3h 9s] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
givememyleg: shows [Ad As 2d Qh] (three of a kind, Aces)
swiggidy: mucks hand
givememyleg collected $33.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $34.90 | Rake $1.70
Board [4c Jc 3h 9s Ah]
Seat 1: RupertMurdoc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: swiggidy (button) mucked [8c Kc Js 9c]
Seat 4: indystopia (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: givememyleg (big blind) showed [Ad As 2d Qh] and won ($33.20) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: LolTrappedU folded before Flop

haha, it's funny because when I checked all my hands from our fun little plo ring games I'm down $97 + $51 in rake! My VPIP/PFR is 78/47, wheeeeeeee.

Here is a fun hand I found that I played that night I was drunk with you when you were playing serious.

givememyleg (1:04:42 AM): drunk omaha is hard
swiggidy (1:04:47 AM): haha
givememyleg (1:04:52 AM): soi many cards
swiggidy (1:04:59 AM): I love it

$0.1/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($26.95)
UTG+1 ($93.25)
CO ($6.35)
Hero ($23.35)
SB ($20.65)
swiggidy ($55.80)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, swiggidy checks

Flop: ($1, 4 players)
SB bets $0.95, swiggidy calls $0.95, UTG+1 calls $0.95, Hero calls $0.95

Turn: ($4.8, 4 players)
SB bets $4.6, swiggidy folds, UTG+1 calls $4.6, Hero calls $4.6

River: ($18.6, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero goes all-in $17.55, SB goes all-in $14.85, UTG+1 folds

Final Pot: $48.30
SB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $48.65 ( won +$25.3 )
SB lost -$20.65
BB lost -$1.20
UTG+1 lost -$5.80

Here is swigg's advice to me about the hand:

swiggidy (1:58:33 AM): you probably should have folded tunrn in your flush hand
swiggidy (1:58:42 AM): but whatev, congrats
givememyleg (1:58:45 AM): but i had a sfd
givememyleg (1:59:18 AM): you show me a man who can fold a straight flush draw when they are drunkj
givememyleg (1:59:22 AM): and ill show you a man who needs more bber
givememyleg (1:59:24 AM): beer
swiggidy (1:59:37 AM): lolz

I think I lost $70 that night!

you both are welcome, I've donated enough to you two just screwing around.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

you both are welcome, I've donated enough to you two just screwing around.

AT $2 SNGS!!

Fuck spenda. I wiped my ass with that $20 before I gave it to you.

That is all.

luv u2 bro

it's cool. gg

Here's a sweet hand, I regretted not leading the flop as soon as I checked. Someone bet so whatever

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($34)
Hero ($88.40)
BB ($60.65)
UTG ($126.85)
MP ($10.50)
CO ($50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , , , .
1 fold, MP raises to $1.5, CO calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($7.50) , , (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $4, CO raises to $10, Button folds, Hero raises to $41.15, BB folds, MP calls $5 (All-In), CO raises to $48.5, Hero calls $7.35.

Turn: ($34.50) (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($34.50) (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $113.50

Results in white below:
Hero has 5s 2s Ah Th (full house, fives full of aces).
MP has Qs Js Jh Kd (flush, ace high).
CO has :Tc: :Ac: (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $113.50.

bwaha, tied on the flop and I was 43% to win outright, him 4%. (shorties cards I inserted as dead)

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4026379
pokenum -o 5s 2s ah th - tc 4s 7d ac -- ts 5h as / js qs jh kd
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing As Ts 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 2s Ah Th 289 43.39 30 4.50 347 52.10 0.694
4s Ac Tc 7d 30 4.50 289 43.39 347 52.10 0.306

1) Identify Holdem Player
2) Flop big
3) Profit

Note: I lead turn regarless of whether I hit or not, this guy never has a 6.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $1.00 BB (3 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($73.20)
Hero ($122.30)
Button ($659.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 8, J, 6.
Button raises to $3.5, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.50) 6, 6, K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7.15, Hero calls $7.15.

Turn: ($21.80) J (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button calls $15.

River: ($51.80) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $40, Button raises to $170.8, Hero calls $56.65 (All-In).

Final Pot: $245.10

Results in white below:
:Ah: :Tc: :Ks:

Outcome: Hero wins $245.10. Button wins $74.15.

SHAZZAM

also, tell me you weren't grossed out when he shoved the river.

Did you stick around and play some 250bb deep $100PLO?

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

SHAZZAM

also, tell me you weren't grossed out when he shoved the river.

Did you stick around and play some 250bb deep $100PLO?

My thoughts,

"uhh what?" ... "really, sweet" **delayed snap call**

He left shorty thereafter and since that represents 20% of my roll, I left the table. Maybe after this weekend I'll feel comfortable deep staking 100PLO.

so sick

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($90.70)
Hero ($75.30)
Button ($13.70)
SB ($9)
BB ($61.90)
UTG ($51.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, K, 9, 9.
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.75) 4, 9, 7 (3 players)
BB bets $1.7, MP folds, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $4.30.

Turn: ($13.75) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13, BB calls $13.

River: ($39.75) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $37.8, Hero raises to $55.8, BB calls $4.60 (All-In).

Final Pot: $124.55

Results in white below:
BB has :Th: (four of a kind, eights).

Outcome: BB wins $124.55. Hero wins $13.40.

And fuck me for donking off almost 2 buyins at 50PLO by bluffing calling stations.

DON'T BLUFF ON THE WEEKENDS. NUT CAMP AND VALUE BET.

post the bluffs

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

post the bluffs

The point is I'm trying to bluff calling stations. They won't fold unless it's a 1/2 stack bet on the river. So cbetting, semi-bluffing, betting at scare cards doesn't work. They'll call down with TP or an overpair. I just need to play tight and value bet and rake the monies.

I may post some after my session because it may still be good for discussion

I opened 2 more tables and finished up $10 (after being down $130)

This probably wouldn't cut it at mid stakes, but I like it at micro stakes. I end up folding a lot of turns, but since they'll pay you off I say see the turn. We're flipping on the flop, which is stupid when I have such a post flop edge, especially on latter streets.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($50)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($30.50)
UTG ($52.30)
MP ($72)
Hero ($50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 7, 9, 5. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP raises to $2.25, Hero (poster) calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $2, 1 fold.

Flop: ($7.25) T, 4, 7 (3 players)
SB bets $5, MP folds, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($17.25) J (2 players)
SB bets $11.5, Hero raises to $42.75, SB calls $30.75 (All-In).

River: ($101.75) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $101.75

Results in white below:
SB has :Ts: :As: (straight, eight high).
Hero has 8c 7h 9h 5h (straight, jack high).
Outcome: Hero wins $102.25.

well played villain. He needs to raise to 2-3bb pre. I think calling the flop is fine as his hand really can't improve, but I think he needs to fold turn, and definitely river. While I play sets like this he's either flipping or dead.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($30.45)
SB ($49.50)
Hero ($51.40)
UTG ($61.90)
MP ($63.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , , , .
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.75) , , (3 players)
Hero bets $1.7, UTG calls $1.70, Button calls $1.70.

Turn: ($6.85) (3 players)
Hero bets $6.5, UTG folds, Button calls $6.50.

River: ($19.85) (2 players)
Hero bets $12, Button calls $12.

Final Pot: $43.85

Results in white below:
Hero has 7d 9s 8h 2c (straight, nine high).

Outcome: Hero wins $43.85.

Here's a standard semi-bluff, I know he doesn't have the nuts and I have redraws

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($9.75)
UTG ($20)
MP ($49.25)
Hero ($72.30)
Button ($60.15)
SB ($62.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , , , . UTG posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, Button raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8.50) , , (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $6, Button calls $6, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($20.50) (2 players)
Hero bets $19,

Known station, Sigh...
We're flipping on the flop 49.4/50.6, I'm 90/10 on the turn

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($58.90)
BB ($30)
UTG ($16.10)
MP ($42.15)
Button ($21.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , , , .
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) , , (5 players)
Hero bets $2.4, BB folds, UTG calls $2.40, MP folds, Button folds.

Turn: ($7.30) (2 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG raises to $13.2, Hero calls $8.20.

River: ($33.70) (2 players)

Results in white below:
:Ad:
Outcome: UTG wins $33.70.

You were a bit unlucky that villain in hand 2 didn't felt his straight on that flop/turn.

On the semi-bluff, are you really bluffing here? I think it's between a value-bet and a semi-bluff. Anyways, it's OK because he should have to fold a lot of his flushes (let's say Ten high and lower), and even if he doesn't and the board pairs it's hard for him to put you on a boat. I would make it $15 on the turn so you can shove any non-board-pairing river for a full PSB and get full fold-equity or bet smaller for value if the board pairs. Ofc what sucks is if he shoves over your turn bet, I don't think you'd be getting the right price needing 3:1 to call.

I was only thinking about getting him the fuck out. I think this player had showed up a couple times with raggy flushes. So mine was a semi-bluff because the only intention I had was to get hands that were beating me out.

I like your line though. 3/4 PSB turn probably gets him out anyway. And if I put him on a pretty strong range, with one of our outs gone we still have equity to call a push on the turn.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4033227

If he pots it we'd be getting 2:1 to call, so we're pretty close. If he never has blockers we've got odds, we're only fucked if he has flush + lower set or flush+2pair. So calling is fine.

getting 2:1 with 10 outs can never be right, or am I missing something? Are you talking about flop, I was referring to the turn.

oops, I did the calc on the flop. Yeah we have to fold turn to a raise, which makes betting $15 an even better argument.

So we do the same with nut flush and lead paired river for pot and non-paired river for 1/2 PSB?

graph from yesterday, weeeeeeeeeeeee



Had terrible, aggressive players at my table. The last 2 hours, I have nice mid wrap, flop comes hi. I have awesome broadway cards, flop comes low. Sigh.

On a side note, I finally got PokerGrapher working. If you're using PT Omaha make sure you install the v1.5.0 Beta, the v1.4.5 doesn't work. the beta is actually quite stable.

So I ran the "buddy finder" and who should appear...
givememyleg, 300 hands 81/32/1.33
spenda, 480 hands 64/28/2.3

lee, or however's up there listing, can i pleese stop running like shit, kthxbai

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($79.95)
BB ($30.05)
UTG ($69)
MP ($49.10)
Hero ($73.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, 3, 7, T.
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, SB raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50.

Flop: ($10.50) 7, T, J (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $40, SB raises to $74.95, Hero calls $28.80 (All-In).

Turn: ($148.10) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($148.10) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $148.10

Results in white below:
:Ks: :Td: :Ad: :Ac:

Outcome: SB wins $154.25.

k, I'm officially on tilt. My sets either don't hold up or I get no action. No one folds when I have sick straight + flush draws and they don't connect so I loose to some shitty 2 pair on the river. And if I get a decent starting hand (very rare apparently) I completely whiff the flop. I'm on like a 10 buy-in downswing and only 2 of those are from stupid shit like this

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($30.45)
Hero ($50)
MP ($49.10)
CO ($12)
Button ($47.95)
SB ($72.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, A, 9, J. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls $1, Button calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.50) T, K, 8 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, CO folds, Button calls $6, SB folds.

Turn: ($18.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button calls $15.

River: ($48.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $27.5 (All-In), Button calls $25.45 (All-In).

Where he had KK, LDO

Today:



Overall @ 50PLO:



So is it seriously possible to run that good then that bad? Am I actually a breakeven player who started on a sick run of cards for 2k hands?

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Well, back to 25PLO

wow man that is disguuuuuuuuuuisting

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($27.75)
BB ($15)
Hero ($33.55)
Button ($17.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, Q, J, J.
Hero raises to $0.5, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($2) T, J, 2 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.9, Button calls $1.90, SB folds, BB calls $1.90.

Turn: ($7.70) K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, Button folds, BB raises to $12.6, Hero calls $5.60.

River: ($32.90) Q (2 players)

Final Pot: $32.90

Results in white below:
BB :Qc:

Outcome: BB wins $32.90.

Fuck you poker you fucking cock tease

damn, your winrate might be as good as mine now!

Pokerstars does tend to have better players than other sites.

Originally Posted by Fyre

Pokerstars does tend to have better players than other sites.

America!!! Fuck Yeah!!

Ultimate Bet's games were always sick good

oh dear

I got a PM yesterday.

Title: OMAHA!?!?!??!

Message: Swig!

I was looking on the list for the TOC and noticed your city of choice. OMAHA? Nebraska? All my friends are SOBs (South Omaha Boys!)

If so, small f'n world.

I know it's a fucking 75/25 but WTF!!!!!! I hate my poker life.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($15.80)
BB ($28.15)
Hero ($25)
MP ($32.25)
CO ($26.10)
Button ($18.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, 7, 8, A.
Hero raises to $0.5, MP raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $1, MP raises to $3.75, BB folds, Hero calls $2.75.

Flop: ($8.35) 6, 8, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $7.75, Hero raises to $21.25, MP calls $13.50.

Turn: ($50.85) J (2 players)

River: ($50.85) A (2 players)

Final Pot: $50.85
:Ah: :As: :Kd:

What pissed me off more:
douche: ship it baby

3 week break won't cut it. 2 more buy-ins down and I'm back to 10PLO, aka where I started aka quitting PLO hi

This shit is long. I think next post bumps to new page.

Up 2.5 buy-ins over 250 hands. Weeeeeeeeeeee.

Lol, i was thinking the same thing. Its takes 5 minutes to get to the bottom.
Reading this has me scared to even play omaha. You have some serious ups and downs.
Good luck...

We have an Omaha forum?

Originally Posted by wesrman

Lol, i was thinking the same thing. Its takes 5 minutes to get to the bottom.
Reading this has me scared to even play omaha. You have some serious ups and downs.
Good luck...

There is a little red box next to a small arrow next to the thread title on the forum page. That takes you to the newest post, if you weren't aware.

If you hover it says "view newest post"

It was a fantastic revelation for me.

Ok, thanks, i wasn't aware of it.

I know i look like a retard, but can you tell me how to use the convereter??

Was playing 2 tables. Both tables I have top set of 9s. Both tables I get it in on turn. Table #1, against 2 people, full stack and shorty. Both have wraps, river completes them both, shorty wins high straight, full wins rest with low straight. Other table, I loose to river flush. Weeeee Omahaha.

And my internet connection blows so I can't even stay and try to win my money back. Fuck Wow.

Ouch, maybe you are better off not trying to get it back right now anyway. That sounds like enough to tilt anyone. How much did it cost you??

I ended down 80bb. That shit doesn't really bother me at all...

Unless it happens 6 more times in a row, then I tilt.

My internet connection pisses me off more than anything. But they're coming on Tuesday to "validate" that it's shitty and add a node or something.

Played for an hour or so this morning. Breakeven for a bit, the won 4 buy-ins right at the end. Also, I noticed I was playing very TAG, so I opened up a couple more tables, thus had my first 6-tabling experience. I'm pretty happy with how it worked out. It helps that there aren't any good LAGS or tricky players at 25PLO.

I have 12 buy-ins at 50PLO. Trying to decide when to move up. I'm not concerned about long term maintenance of the roll, I can move back down again, but I don't want to drop a couple buy-ins and bail right away, I also don't want to miss the easy weekend money that should be available at 50PLO. For a 3rd point, I only have 10k hands of Omaha on file so I guess I don't really know where I stand competence wise.

On another note, I'm back in the black as an Omaha player.

What the fuck is up bitches.

Update. My internet has been shit since New Years. I called WOW a bunch and they're really nice but did nothing to make my intertubes better. "Reset my modem? Why golly gee that'll make everything better." Then they offered me $35 of my monthly bill to stay, so yes you should call your carrier and say "I'm thinking about switching, they offered me $x a month so I can't really afford to stay at my current rate."

So I've been real busy the last week, unable to experience the new interwebs. Previously I hadn't been able to play much because lag tilt kicks in very fast for me. I've only played 1k hands since my last post, that's only 30 hands a day.

Anywho, here's the graph because it's fun:


Clearly that proves I'm a winning omaha player =P

Anyway, time to start playing more hands again. Probably just play 25PLO this weekend. Overall goal is to get to $1k and permeability move to 50PLO. Not going to try and ride the gravy train like last time. More goal details to come as I get back in the swing.

It looks a fuck of a lot better than your last graph...lol

Bleh, what a shitty morning. I spewed (aka didn't adjust) and paid off one nut hand with a stupid bluff. This is why my graph goes up and down. When I hit a dry run of missing flops I loose a couple buy-ins.

The big problem, was raising too many speculative hands from UTG, UTG+1. I need to much this shit, especially when I'm raising trash from the button/co (which I could probably also remove from my game).

Hey poker gods, I was joking yesterday when I said my graph proved I was a good player.

Anyway, down 8 buy-ins over 700 hands this morning. I doesn't help that I won 2 big pots in that span. However, I definitely have leaks to look for. I paid off the nuts with the second nuts way too much.

Also a loose agro image got me zero extra action. I've said this before but always forget it. The typical micro-stakes player is incapable of adjusting. Even the "decent" (from a micro stakes viewpoint) are only capable of tightening up.

Basically I got WTF pwned.

here's all my big hands from yesterday:
(wtf, why does the converter sometimes use suits, and sometimes use cards??)

Hand 1 - pretty sure flop is terrible.

You could say fold pre, but this villain makes really bad decisions post-flop

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($23)
BB ($4)
UTG ($29.15)
MP ($51)
CO ($19.55)
Button ($17.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4, T, Q, T.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Button calls $0.85, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.80) J, T, 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.75, Button folds, Hero raises to $7.95, MP raises to $26.55, Hero calls $14.20 (All-In).

Hand 2 - I 3bet pre as an experiment or something, this looks really gross (with the not betting pot and all). Turn I was planning on b/f, he tried priced me in but my hand is terrible.

CO ($33.45)
Hero ($36.55)
SB ($9.50)
BB ($36)
UTG ($21.25)
MP ($24.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , , , .
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, CO calls $1.25.

Flop: ($4.35) , , (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3, CO calls $3.

Turn: ($10.35) (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO raises to $18, Hero folds.

Hand 3 - preflop isn't standard. I do need to tighten up pre. Post I'm happy with

MP ($38.15)
Hero ($22.95)
Button ($5.35)
SB ($13.80)
BB ($10.45)
UTG ($20.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , , , .
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60.

Flop: ($2.55) , , (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.45, SB folds, BB calls $2.45.

Turn: ($7.45) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.1, BB raises to $7.15, Hero calls $0.04.

Hand 4 - I was multi-tabling on this one (i.e. not thinking a ton)

UTG ($33.95)
MP ($52.90)
CO ($26.70)
Button ($68.80)
Hero ($25.70)
BB ($24.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , , , .
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) , , (5 players)
Hero bets $1, BB folds, UTG raises to $2.5, MP folds, CO folds, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6.25) (2 players)
Hero bets $5.95, UTG calls $5.95.

River: ($18.15) (2 players)
Hero bets $7, UTG raises to $25.25, Hero calls $10 (All-In).

Hand 5 - Was planning to c/r flop. I think I decided to flat call, hoping someone else would come along (like the min-bet actually meant something).

I should have just led.

CO ($92)
Button ($24.65)
Hero ($26.15)
BB ($15.55)
UTG ($40.40)
MP ($5.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , , , .
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button raises to $1.35, Hero calls $1.25, 1 fold, MP calls $1.10, CO calls $1.10.

Flop: ($5.65) , , (4 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.5, CO calls $0.50, Button raises to $7.4, Hero calls $7.40, MP folds, CO folds.

Turn: ($21.45) (2 players)
Hero bets $17.4 (All-In), Button calls $15.90 (All-In).

Hand 6 - Standard

CO ($31.40)
Button ($3.60)
SB ($24.40)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($66.75)
MP ($26.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , , , .
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Button raises to $1.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.10, UTG calls $1.10, CO calls $1.10.

Flop: ($5.50) , , (4 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $11, CO folds, Button calls $2.25 (All-In), Hero raises to $23.65, UTG calls $12.65.

So I played a bunch of hands like crap yesterday. I only won 4 hands over $10. So I felt the need to loosen up/try and win medium pots and it got me in trouble. I was card dead most of the day (or my villains were card dead when I got hands) and I let it affect my play. BAD SWIG.

After reviewing these hands I've concluded that I am the only thing holding me back from developing the BR to move up to 50PLO.

I am now down $150 at Omaha.

More fun tonight. Loose 1/2 stack to turned set (had underpair on flop), loose 3 stacks with top set vs turned straight which I probably could have done something about. Lost AA vs AA preflop, lost flopped boat to turned higher boat.

That was all in 140 hands. Action game indeed.

I did not win a single pot over $10 (40bb).

I was planning on dedicating this weekend to poker, looks like I'll be busto early on. Not sure what I'll do with my life after giving up on poker...