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    Default ok to peel this flop?

    i hate plays like this, because you are basically staying in purely due to the size of the pot. in any event, we are playing 20/40 at the bike and the table might as well be an aquarium.

    hero is UTG+1 with 6d5d. UTG limps, hero limps, MP1 raises, 5 callers including hero, 6 players see the flop.

    flop is TT4 rainbow, no diamond. hero checks, MP1 bets, all 4 others call, so we are getting 17 to 1 on a flop call.

    is that good enough for a backdoor straight draw?
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    Kinda did some quick math, not so sure it's right, but I'm going to say this is going to be a little less breakeven.
    You appear to be getting decent odds but then there's likely to be a bet on the turn that you will call when you improve to a straight draw (34% OE or GS), that worsens your pot odds just a bit. Not so sure about how much implied odds of getting paid off on the river affect the situation overall, but since you will so rarely draw fully to your straight, I would guess not very much.
    If there was a diamond on the board, or even if you were able to draw to trips/2pair then you might be better off.

    If I figure out the proper math before someone else does, I'll post it up.
    (Josh)
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    fold, dude. no sense in chasing a b/d straight on a paired board. even at 30:1, its just putting bad money in the pot. you know me with big pots, and i fold here so fast it would spin your head.
    LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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    defenitely fold
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    Time to abandon ship.
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    Fold big time!
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    Fold the flop ainec
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    Fold taht. And IMO, if you were gonna play that hand, you might as well have raised PF to eliminate other players. But that's just me. I either fold or raise PF.
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    I know this is a little old, but I'm not raising that pre in the environment described, Wiz, and it's a fairly important concept.

    You don't want to get 3bet pre and have the rest of the table fold, and find yourself oop with a drawing hand when the alternative is a family pot with a drawing hand.

    The latter is so much of a better investment.
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