Is it even worth bluffing at SSH???

Hey, everybody!
I've been playing the $1-2 limit tables on Full Tilt and I've found my variance decreases significantly if I just don't bother bluffing. It seems at small stakes hold 'em there are way too many call stations and fishes to make bluffing even worth it.

Don't get me wrong, I'll "semi-bluff" by raising my big drawing hands like flush and straight draws but to just all-out bluff at a flop when I just have one overcard (or none) against one or two other players just doesn't seem worth it in small stakes hold 'em, people will call you with bottom pair all the way to the river.

Do you think I'm right on this or do you think there's still a place for all out bluffing on every street in small stakes limit?

Sure it is. I make a good deal of profit from bluffing at $25NL.

Two key things to keep in mind that seem to help me out.
1) Know your table image. The tighter you are, the more believable your bluffs.
2) Know thier table image. Bluffs work best against a passive player.
Poker Tracker helps me alot in deciding who and when to bluff.

It's all about the reads.

For "all out bluffing", no. In SSH, people will call you down. That's your source of profit. You can still bluff, though, it's just a matter of picking spots. I like to throw in a bluff when:

a) The field checks to me twice.
b) The board pairs on the turn in an unraised pot.
c) The turn card is below the board in an unraised pot.
d) I raised preflop and got two or fewer callers.

That's pretty much it. Otherwise, it's just ABC poker for me, and I do fine. Your profit comes from people calling you down with weak hands. By not allowing you to bluff, you make more money when you have something legitimate.

I find that it is very hard to make stone cold bluffing +ev in ssh. This is more then made up for by the fact the all the calling stations give you huge implied odds. Also when you hit a hand they will pay you off. Also do not be scared to bet under pairs through out the hand. just so long as nobody pushes back. I know pro players say never bet with a hand that will only be called by a better hand.

Originally Posted by littleogre

I find that it is very hard to make stone cold bluffing +ev in ssh. This is more then made up for by the fact the all the calling stations give you huge implied odds. Also when you hit a hand they will pay you off. Also do not be scared to bet under pairs through out the hand. just so long as nobody pushes back. I know pro players say never bet with a hand that will only be called by a better hand.

I think you are right about this. I frequently fold second pair on the turn if I don't get improvement but I probably shouldn't against all the loose fishes. And you are right, stone cold bluffing on SSH is hardly ever +ev because no one knows how to fold.

Originally Posted by Bawookles

Hey, everybody!
I've been playing the $1-2 limit tables on Full Tilt and I've found my variance decreases significantly if I just don't bother bluffing. It seems at small stakes hold 'em there are way too many call stations and fishes to make bluffing even worth it.

Don't get me wrong, I'll "semi-bluff" by raising my big drawing hands like flush and straight draws but to just all-out bluff at a flop when I just have one overcard (or none) against one or two other players just doesn't seem worth it in small stakes hold 'em, people will call you with bottom pair all the way to the river.

Do you think I'm right on this or do you think there's still a place for all out bluffing on every street in small stakes limit?

Funny--I was thinking yesterday of posting on exactly this topic. My experience bluffing in 10,000+at the $1/2 tables at PartyPoker sounds a lot like yours at FullTilt. Many bluffs I expect to work simply don't. People call down with nothing or next to nothing. Genius that I am, it only took me a mere 8000 hands or so to notice this tendency and develop a counter to it. I'll still bluff now, but typically only in very specific situations against opponents who have demonstrated the ability to fold. And on the other hand, generally and simply value betting becomes the most +EV approach I can take. btw, PokerTracker was a big help with this. I review every session, and I noticed a lot of my larger losses on given hands (2bb-4bb) came from failed bluffs. Giving up those bluff attempts, and also learning to fold many hands making a pair or less to raises and especially check raises on the turn, has saved me a small fortune.

In other words, I think you're right. Generally, bluff only in very specific situations (such as those smartly noted by other posters) against specific opponents--otherwise, value bet. It's not as interesting as we'd like it to be, but it does seem to get the money. Last thing--I've noticed solid players will often take a shot on the flop with nothing v. one or two opponents, and if anyone calls, they're ready to give it up--they often don't keep pushing it on the turn and river.

#1 rule of small stakes
"Value bet"

ssh players love to chase pairs. They'll call you down with Q/6 with ace and king on the board.

er, Mike, who's the incredibly appealing woman pictured with your post?

Straightforward play FTW

Thanks for all your thoughts, guys!
-Brooks

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and she hijacks another thread

Here are my 2 simple rules for bluffing SSLH:

1. Bluff when your opponent has nothing (no pair), but it is a better nothing than yours.

2. Bluff an opponent that appears to respect you when you show strength and seems to show the ability to lay down a pair.

mike--lol. In a word... impressive.