iopq's hand history thread

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how do I play it when the flush draw gets there?
HAND 1:
Texas Hold'em $0.15-$0.30 (real money), hand #1,252,138,461
Table Kelsterbach, 9 Sep 2005 10:18 PM ET

Seat 1: mmmdreg
Seat 2: iopg [ 10D,QD ]
Seat 3: Shuva
Seat 4: LuxLuvPoker
Seat 5: countchipx
Seat 6: Zionscall
Seat 7: SWTex
Seat 8: mojomannen
Seat 9: nonfiction0
Seat 10: Manskjit
ANTES/BLINDS
SWTex posts blind ($0.10), mojomannen posts blind ($0.15).

PRE-FLOP
nonfiction0 folds, Manskjit folds, mmmdreg folds, iopg calls $0.15, Shuva folds, LuxLuvPoker folds, countchipx calls $0.15, Zionscall calls $0.15, SWTex calls $0.05, mojomannen checks.

FLOP [board cards 10C,9C,8H ]
SWTex bets $0.15, mojomannen folds, iopg bets $0.30, countchipx folds, Zionscall calls $0.30, SWTex calls $0.05 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards 10C,9C,8H,2C ]
iopg checks, Zionscall bets $0.30, iopg calls $0.30.

RIVER [board cards 10C,9C,8H,2C,3H ]
iopg checks, Zionscall bets $0.30, iopg calls $0.30.

SHOWDOWN
Zionscall shows [ KC,3C ]
SWTex mucks cards
iopg mucks cards [ 10D,QD ]
Zionscall wins $2.65.

SUMMARY
Dealer: Zionscall
Pot: $2.75 | Rake: $0.10
mmmdreg loses $0
iopg loses $1.05
Shuva loses $0
LuxLuvPoker loses $0
countchipx loses $0.15
Zionscall bets $1.05, collects $2.65, net $1.60
SWTex loses $0.35
mojomannen loses $0.15
nonfiction0 loses $0
Manskjit loses $0

[lolzzz_321]

WHy are you playing that hand?

WHy are you playing that hand?

Preflop? Easy, QTs is suited and connected and SSH advises to call preflop with it in loose games. In fact, it advises to call preflop in relatively tight games. Postflop? I have TPGK and I think it's good.

[lolzzz_321]

Ugh, ooops, you're a limit pussy ; thought it was NL.

[Phyl]

Easy bet on the turn. Why did you check?

[Nehmer]

I would personally raise this hand preflop. I hate open limping from anything, but UTG or UTG+1. After that I would bet the turn and then decide what to do if raised based on opponents past plays.

[ihategnomes]

Ugh, ooops, you're a limit pussy ; thought it was NL.

STFU

Ugh, ooops, you're a limit pussy ;) ; thought it was NL.

You need to get the hell out of the limit forum. Do you see why?

Easy bet on the turn. Why did you check?

That's why I posted it. I was 50% sure he hit the flush. If I bet and get raised, do I fold? I mean, if I bet + get raised + call + call the river that's three bets IF he has the flush.

Can anyone advocate a bet/fold to a raise even at such low limits?

I would personally raise this hand preflop. I hate open limping from anything, but UTG or UTG+1. After that I would bet the turn and then decide what to do if raised based on opponents past plays.

That's wrong. I want weak hands that give my largely drawing hand better pot equity IN the pot, not out. There are indeed less people cold-calling raises at my table than limping. Maybe 2 people cold-call and the blinds call and usually 4 limp, SB completes and BB checks.

So I want the people with the weakest hands to pay me off when they hit middle pair with 92o

[Ltrain]

For your question on the turn/river, do you have a read on the Villian? Would he bluff a flush? If not, then you can fold the turn.

I agree with Nehmer that I would raise this PF or fold. Even though it is looking at the results, this hand is an example of what can happen if you don't raise PF and lose more $$ on the expensive streets when you hit top pair. Also, if you hit your flush or a 4 card draw, you can do a continuation bet and are well disguised for the flush.

However, you know this table texture better than me. If you had raised PF, do you think Villian and two other players coldcall you anyway? If so, then I think it was a good play.

For your question on the turn/river, do you have a read on the Villian? Would he bluff a flush? If not, then you can fold the turn.

I agree with Nehmer that I would raise this PF or fold. Even though it is looking at the results, this hand is an example of what can happen if you don't raise PF and lose more $$ on the expensive streets when you hit top pair. Also, if you hit your flush or a 4 card draw, you can do a continuation bet and are well disguised for the flush.

However, you know this table texture better than me. If you had raised PF, do you think Villian and two other players coldcall you anyway? If so, then I think it was a good play.

The whole table would cold-call me. Raising is purely for value. And no, he probably wouldn't bluff a flush. Key word: probably. I have to be, what, 80% sure to make this laydown?

But I guess there are very few people that would raise as a bluff since everyone calls down anyone so I guess I can lead and find a fold if I get raised.

The problem is that even though the players at my table may not bluff at the turn, he might raise the river. Do I check/fold the river if he calls? Or do I bet and fold if raised? Then I lose a bit of value when he raises sure of having the best hand and I still have him beat.

[Fnord]

Just bet all the way. When he raises you at the end, look at the board and the pot size and go from there, but you'll probably have to call. In the end, this beats these guys for the max because they'll call all the way with all sorts of crap far more often than you'll be out-flopped (and not suck out) or sucked-out on.

Just bet all the way. When he raises you at the end, look at the board and the pot size and go from there, but you'll probably have to call. In the end, this beats these guys for the max because they'll call all the way with all sorts of crap far more often than you'll be out-flopped (and not suck out) or sucked-out on.

OK, thanks.

[RiverMonkey]

Just bet all the way. When he raises you at the end, look at the board and the pot size and go from there, but you'll probably have to call. In the end, this beats these guys for the max because they'll call all the way with all sorts of crap far more often than you'll be out-flopped (and not suck out) or sucked-out on.

I definitely agree with continuing to bet. But, what to do if you get raised on the turn?

In my experience, you need a good read on the player or game in general to decide how to handle a raise on the turn. If the raiser is a straight-forward player that isn't likely to raise just to represent the made flush then you can fold. I don't think you should be making this fold very often however (especially in larger pots where you have to be even more sure that they have you beat); if you fold too much your more observant opponents will peg you as weak-tight and start to make plays at you.

Just bet all the way. When he raises you at the end, look at the board and the pot size and go from there, but you'll probably have to call. In the end, this beats these guys for the max because they'll call all the way with all sorts of crap far more often than you'll be out-flopped (and not suck out) or sucked-out on.

I definitely agree with continuing to bet. But, what to do if you get raised on the turn?

In my experience, you need a good read on the player or game in general to decide how to handle a raise on the turn. If the raiser is a straight-forward player that isn't likely to raise just to represent the made flush then you can fold. I don't think you should be making this fold very often however (especially in larger pots where you have to be even more sure that they have you beat); if you fold too much your more observant opponents will peg you as weak-tight and start to make plays at you.

I'm actually planning on laying this one maybe once a session or something like that. I am not at all comfortable continuing after a turn raise, but if this situation arises several times and I get raised on the turn I'm going to have to start calling down.

[Ltrain]

Watch your stats/players. A playback from from an 80/0 passive player or calling station is probably not a bluff. A playback from an 80/20 agg maniac is more likely a bluff. Even without PT or PV, you should know these players within a few orbits by their play.

Watch your stats/players. A playback from from an 80/0 passive player or calling station is probably not a bluff. A playback from an 80/20 agg maniac is more likely a bluff. Even without PT or PV, you should know these players within a few orbits by their play.

I know who's the maniac usually, but the rest are most likely fish. I'll keep that in mind.