500bb+ gets CR Potted on flop, 3b pot 50PLO

Site does not support HEM/HH so going based on memory. Remembered we both had $250+. Villain is weakest player at the table. Super agro both pre and post, almost always 3betting pre. Site doesn't have a max buyin so his been buying in 200bb+ at a time.

Few orbits ago, I pfred BU he 3bed from BB, i called. Flop was K95 and we got it in for 200bb each. He had K9J6 3 diff suits. I won with a set of fives.

6handed
Besides MP, everyone is 200bb+

Dealt to hero:


MP raises to $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, BU calls $1.50, SB (villain) raises to $7.50, BB folds, MP calls, Hero calls, BU calls.

Flop ~$30:


SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets to $20, BU folds, SB Pots to a lot more, MP folds, Hero ???

For 100bb or even 200bb I would simply get it in here but with 500bb I am a bit confused if I should do something different?
Just hate the thought of going up against some crap hand he decided to over play for 500bb.

I would just bomb it, you still have 30% vs 9876 which I think would be the worst case. Also 30% vs 9543.

I don't think there is anything wrong with standing up if you don't want to play 500bbs deep vs crazy aggro on your left. If you don't want to stand up or fold pre (can't imagine) it seems like you are setting yourself up to get owned if we can't go with this flop. I mean I guess it would be better if we had a FD, but he'll have every better FD in his range so I doubt it changes things a ton.

I leave table. 3d on turn/brick river 1 time

you have position with a great draw against an aggro player who you know will get it in behind. I just check this flop.

if you do bet here it is because you have to be more than comfortable flipping it out for big pots, which is fine as well.

actually I mean, we can't leave this table really if he's going to spew stacks 200 bbs at a time. I admit to being uncomfortable 500 bbs deep in any PLO game.

Maybe because of that I'll ask: is it terrible to just flat here? our outs are reasonably hidden and we salvage something when the board pairs on the turn.

my problem with checking or flatting now is we don't make the nuts with more than half our outs. I guess it depends how bad he is, but it makes a lot more sense to me to put in 350 BBs now than when we hit a 5 or 7.

If you check the flop you give the whole table a free card and for sure can't put in much action on those cards.

it is not clear to me that he's terrible, just crazy aggro. It isn't like getting it in with top 2 in a 3b pot is a bad play. if he is not terrible, we are not getting paid off after the flop checks through.

meh - we have 13 outs which should win about 50% of the time by the river. So with dead money I am obv fine with getting it in on this flop.

But I am also fine with trying to conserve some dough and flatting at this point and just playing the hand fit or fold with implied odds on the turn. I agree he might not be terrible, but I doubt he finds a fold no matter what the turn brings. I mean I just don't see our opp doing anything other than shoving the turn no matter what comes when there is like $210 in the pot and the players have about $150 behind. So we can flat getting 2:1 knowing that we are extremely likely to be paid off when we do hit our about 1 in 4 shot on the turn.

As far as checking flop, the whole table is only 3 other players. And aggro players have a hard time folding 2 pair, so I have no problem checking this flop with pretty disguised outs.

Personally I would not check this flop. I bet it and gii on this flop. But if we are trying to avoid big pots with big draws against this aggro player, then I think the best play is just to check this flop.

if he check raises this flop, gets called and then jams a straight card, that is flat out terrible. What else could we have?

I guess you can check the flop if you mean you're just going to go broke with the nuts. with 'only' three players you'll run into 78 and T8 a lot when any money goes in.

there are plenty of bad aggro players who like to juice pots preflop and then on the flop with 2 pair or better. Many of these players can't fold no matter what comes on the turn because "they are too committed." I don't know what type of player this is, but that's the read I was giving him based on OP saying he was weakest and super aggro both pre and post flop.

These players aren't putting on us ranges of hands, they are simply seeing that they have 2 pair or better and never ever folding. If they do put us on a range, they usually narrow that range down to the only holding we could have that they still beat. If a 3 comes this player will put us on 78xx, if a 4 comes he will put us on anything other than 35xx, etc.

Anyhoo, in the end I think we agree on how to play this hand. Bet flop and gii.

Yeah I guess we define the word terrible differently.

Thanks for all the input guys. Instinctively I wanted to get it all in here especially with the dead money but I pussied out, tanked, and folded LOL. The player infact was quite a terrible player. At the time, I was thinking I can get into a different spot later with this player and be ahead quite a bit instead of pretty much flipping for big stacks right now. The player busted next orbit and didn't rebuy. The game almost instantly broke.

Today I decided to play lower since I know the games run deep and I don't want to feel uncomfy in those spots again and not take marginal +ev plays. Played 25PLO and won a 1300+bb pot lol. Biggest pot I have ever won in terms of bb. Attached ss. /smalltime brag



A different terrible player with vpip of 100. 3b prlly somewhere 60%+ pre. was a 5b pre and got it in on the flop.

I don't know if anyone has the sample size to really compare, but it would not surprise me at all if the swings in pure $$ are bigger in 25 PLO than 100 NLHE. For sure they are in 50plo and being super deep doesn't tend to kill the action as much as it sometimes does in HE.

back to the hand, it really depends what you think he'll do with hands like over pairs/ 9xxx and something like KJ87. If he'll fold (some of) them on flop you should shove unless you think he'll always bomb the turn. But you should be pretty sure because it's kind of a disaster to let him bluff you out on the turn with air.