*** Witch Hunt: Village of Souls gameplay thread ***

[jyms]

Daven had a great run last game, no need for any noon extra time. We should be willing to Lynch him when we have no other candidates

[jackvance]

Hm I'm favoring Pascal atm.

[Pascal]

how is anyone favouring me when I'm bothering to stay active?

[Luco]

I blame your avatar

[Pascal]

gekko wants to finger someone

[JKDS]

Big P

These last two posts show you are really agitated. Is that because youre a wolf that got caught early (like your last wolf game iirc), or is it because you finally rolled villager and people are voting you anyway?

Sincerely,
Little J

[JKDS]

Come lynch daven with me. I dont like the buddying hes getting, and its better than nothing atm.

[Pascal]

Big P

These last two posts show you are really agitated. Is that because youre a wolf that got caught early (like your last wolf game iirc), or is it because you finally rolled villager and people are voting you anyway?

Sincerely,
Little J

it's one of the two. i'm also frustrated because this game doesn't actually seem to be going anywhere - we've got no information on anyone, no one is posting, etc. let's go for the people who aren't posting and get rid of the deadwood first at least

[jackvance]

I have to agree with what Pascal says there. The meta-strategy should always be to kill the silent ones. This game is already gonna be quicker than normal.

TLR didn't want to play I'm sure. That's why he did that.

Or maybe he didn't want to just be the default first nom anymore and atleast take someone with him. Just sucks it's Keith.

Ong is almost always not a witch if that's his first part and witch's made a snap kill on night one

Yeah I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt despite his nice wolf performance last time. Let him post some more and see if I can get a decent read.

[Hoopy]

3 people have 1 post only (BooG, bikes, Ong).

I agree with jack & jyms that Ong is less likely to be a witch with the quick night kill.

It's also important that we don't let silence be a viable strategy for the witches this game since it'll probably last 3-4 more days max (assuming 1/2 fingerings). No good defaulting to quiet people at crunch time.

drown bikes

[Hoopy]

pascal looking wolf/witch, gizmo night kill fits with that

I don't get how these 2 things link daven?

[wufwugy]

Pretty sure Day 2 ends tomorrow

[rong]

It's also important that we don't let silence be a viable strategy for the witches this game since it'll probably last 3-4 more days max (assuming 1/2 fingerings). No good defaulting to quiet people at crunch time.

I agree with this. If its gonna be a short game we need everyone firing on all cylinders from the beginning. As its the weekend its to be expected that the games a bit slow, but if anyone is still not involved by tomorrow then they should be a top target.

And what's the score with ong? Has he pretty much said he isn't playing this game? If so and he doesn't post is he gonna get modkilled? If so, better we lynch him, right?

[Luco]

What benefit does lynching Ong have over modkill?

[Pascal]

Let's let Ong get modkilled and lynch someone else with one post.

[Luco]

That just leaves bikes and boog, and bikes apparently missed the first kill.

[jackvance]

Yeah I can switch to bikes. But as Dan said, better to wait until after the weekend.

[JKDS]

If yall are dead set on killing inactives, today is better than tomorrow. That way we give the lynchee the greatest chance to be a wolf and the greatest chance of fingering a wolf if we're wrong comparatively.

However, honestly fuck that. I refuse to lynch based on post count alone, and will sooner go on blind gut instinct based on someones joke post being slightly out of character before I gamble on someone that doesnt even want to play. Waste your finger on them if you must, but ill have no part.

[Pascal]

let's at least get a wagon going, maybe that'll get people talking

rescind ong

burn daven

[JKDS]

MY MAN

[daven]

I don't get how these 2 things link daven?

pascal was wolf with gizmo last time, i think he was impressed with gizmo's reads on the game, i know i was. Which also means that a gizmo night kill makes me looks suspicious too.

I don't like that Pascal is so quick to threaten to finger people. It's been made pretty clear that this isn't a great villager move without very strong reads. Seems to be a reflexive form of defence. Then again, he could do this if he's finally flipped villager as well i guess.

Where are Boog and Bikes? low posting makes it really hard to read people, and the absence of a lynch on day 1, and thus absence of any real voting patterns, doesn't make things any easier.

[daven]

getting some wagons going and some votes happening is fine with me.
If i'm one of those wagons, then so be it.

Last time (i was wolf) i thought a lot about the idea of having wagons between an active and an inactive player, and thought there was a lot of merit to this idea regardless of which team you were part of. The only risk to us as villagers is that it becomes active villager vs inactive villager and this makes things pretty easy for the wolves.

[Pascal]

I just enjoy the word fingering, nothing more sinister than that

[jyms]

Let's get one of them, and quick before the coven can get them to post to avoid certain fate

[gabe]

However, honestly fuck that. I refuse to lynch based on post count alone, and will sooner go on blind gut instinct based on someones joke post being slightly out of character before I gamble on someone that doesnt even want to play.

i agree with this. if we burn bikes it will satisfy both requirements. he hasnt posted, and his one post sets off a flag. if the lynch train started to head my way i was going to finger him

rescind and burn bikes

[jyms]

Going out for dinner.

Rescind pascal. burn bikes

[Luco]

Rescind daven, lynch gabe

[jyms]

Rescind daven, lynch gabe

That's some sound reasoning right there

[daven]

luco, you are looking a lot like a wolf on a team with bikes and pascal. Just sayin'

[daven]

luco, are you a witch?

Aroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo's it going everyone?

Looking forward to walls of text and lots of fingering innuendo

I would have been shocked to see anything but two villager deaths from tlr's threat

this only makes sense if you already knew that TLR wasn't a witch.

Thankfully there's an answer.

Lynch daven

lynch a villager without rationale, then note that

We need to make it to night without fingering each other AND get the first lynch right, or we're practically in endgame.

identifying that we need to be careful, but then you note that

That just leaves bikes and boog, and bikes apparently missed the first kill.

seemingly happy for either of them to be lynch targets, but then gabe votes to lynch bikes and suddenly you're all:

Rescind daven, lynch gabe

again, without posting any rationale

[daven]

wagons on luco vs bikes could be pretty interesting.

burn luco

[gabe]

wagons on luco vs bikes could be pretty interesting.

burn luco

I bet villagers don't care if its bikes or luco

witches should try to act like they won't emergency finger someone when they are getting walked to the gallows. witches have no need to emergency finger someone obv but they might use that sentiment to convince villagers not to vote for them

[bikes]

hey guys, so sorry. i have a bunch of real life stuff to deal with and not nearly as much time to play as i thought i might have when i signed up. i think i read the rules correctly in that this won't hurt the village since ongbonga is likely to be modkilled for inactivity and that wont count as a village lynch and since i'm likely to be lynched today and if i'm not i really dont have to play

ongs prolly not a witch but throw him in the finger whatever something wuf you get what im saying

[wufwugy]

The Living

hoopy
pascal
jkds
jyms
boog
rong
daven
jv
gabe
luco

The Dead

Day 1: Keith drowned in Lake of Souls by TLR
Day 1: TLR drowns self in Lake of Souls
Night 1: Gizmo poisoned by Witches
Day 2: Ong drowned in Lake of Souls by Bikes
Day 2: Bikes drowns self in Lake of Souls

The Roles

7 Villagers
3 Witches

It is Night 2, which will last a maximum of 24 hours. No talking in thread; witches send me your kill

[BooG690]

Holy shit, I haven't been modkilled. I'm back after a shitty weekend. Can we kill JKDS now?

[BooG690]

SHIT, SORRY!

[wufwugy]

The Living

hoopy
pascal
jkds
jyms
rong
daven
jv
gabe
luco

The Dead

Day 1: Keith drowned in Lake of Souls by TLR
Day 1: TLR drowns self in Lake of Souls
Night 1: Gizmo poisoned by Witches
Day 2: Ong drowned in Lake of Souls by Bikes
Day 2: Bikes drowns self in Lake of Souls
Night 2: Boog poisoned by Witches

The Roles

6 Villagers
3 Witches

It is Day 3, which will end on Friday at 11:00 AM PST

[JKDS]

So yeah, that sucked pretty hard.

But on the bright side, boog died right as he joined the game. LOL.

[JKDS]

The gizmo night kill provides info for sure, as does the speed with which it occurred.

What info. Why did you echo this popular sentiment, but not expand on it?

luco, are you a witch?

(luco post saying tlr-keith were likely villagers)
this only makes sense if you already knew that TLR wasn't a witch.

I dont think you have to know TLR was a villager in order to think tlr-keith were villagers after their scuffle. This attack doesnt seem well thought out. Did you think bikes was town? Why did you try and shift things to luco?

[gabe]

yikes i just spazzed out and fingered someone. within 4 seconds i realized it was 6 villagers + 3 witches, not 6 villagers featuring 3 witches, so i deleted my post. we really gotta nail one so im gonna suggest jkds, pascal, or luco. they probably all wouldnt talk like this if they were all witches though

drown jkds

[Luco]

Finally, I get to reply. Damn bbickes.

Firstly, we’re pretty fucked right now. But that will make our epic comeback all the sweeter, right?

Also, LOLOLOL @ boogpost, boogpost, dead. WP

luco, you are looking a lot like a wolf on a team with bikes and pascal. Just sayin'

Not anymore (gg bikes), but three people ITT are definitely bluffing. Not sure if Pascal is one of them yet and I think he may be a red herring, but right now I trust nobody and there are no locks either way. However, JV certainly gets +rep for instigating a rule change that I feel benefits the village, hard to see a wolf doing that.

luco, are you a witch?

If I am then I’m a really bad one. I realise I’m new but I’d like to think I could run much better than this if I were a wolf/witch. I may not have played WW before but I do own a copy of LA Noire and I fully intend to finish it at some point.

Why would I rescind you and vote Gabe to protect bikes (with no supporting rationale), when you’re the only other person picking up lynch votes? Surely riding the davenwagon would make more sense? Think about it. I didn’t vote gabe because I’m a witch, I voted gabe because I disagreed with him.

this only makes sense if you already knew that TLR wasn't a witch.

It’s simple – It’s unlikely a witch would have made that threat to begin with and even less likely they would have followed through, I hope you can see why. As soon as TLR actually made good on his threat he had to be a lock villager, and no witch would have risked ruin by responding to TLR’s threat and inviting a finger. It was clearly not going to end well, which is why I saw two villager deaths as the most likely outcome.

lynch a villager without rationale, then note that

But Daven you don’t understand. You were my first. I chose you. That makes you special. Can you feel it? I know you feel it because you voted me too.

Also, I note how you said ‘lynch a villager’ when referring to yourself, that’s some clever subconscious shit right there. How many broomsticks did you say you owned again?

identifying that we need to be careful, but then you note that

seemingly happy for either of them to be lynch targets, but then gabe votes to lynch bikes and suddenly you're all:

again, without posting any rationale

I made a comment about bikes/boog but did not cast a vote, neither of them were ideal but if we were determined to lynch the inactive then I would have preferred boog. My gabe re-vote was made on my smartphone just before bedtime and was unnecessarily brief, sorry. I had always intended a follow up post in the morning but I guess it’s better to get all my thoughts out there in one go as I don't know if/when some finger fucker could turn off the lights again.

Basically I didn’t get a ‘flag’ from the bikes post like Gabe apparently did. Also, Gabe said (post-tlr) that it’s hard to see anyone not going for fingering, when it should have been obvious how bad it would be even with lynching imminent. These two things got my spidey senses tingling. With nightfall still some way away I wanted to try to get some discussion going before the bikes wagon really got rolling, but instead I wake up and find that bikes has stopped the day too early, we’re down another three, you’re eyeballing me and we still don’t have much to go on.

Bikes could indeed have been lying when he said he missed the first kill, but he at least mentioned that fingering was ‘absurdly bad for the village’ and I didn’t feel we had enough to jump him just yet. Finger is no longer an uber-fail move thanks to the rule change, but still all fingering has done so far is fuck the village over.

wagons on luco vs bikes could be pretty interesting.

burn luco

I assume all votes reset each day? Given how highly everyone rated your last game I was expecting a surgical attack, but all I got was this clumsy bludgeoning.

It’s a new day, let’s try to run better. Don’t expect me to roll over and die though because another villager death today would doom us all. I didn’t sign up to WW to be LVP so expect me to call you out if I think it will help the village.

PS if y'all train against me I will be fingering, it's high risk for sure but two villager deaths tonight is just as fail as three and at least I'd have a chance to take a witch down.

[rong]

This is disastrous. 6-3 with the potential of 3 gone tonight. Let's calm down a bit with the bolding. 3 villagers on a villager wagon is potentially game over. Also before any crazy fingering let's have a discussion about it.

Random thoughts so far on what little we have to go on.

I like luco playing, you should play more often. I agree with most of what you said. Daven does seem a little aggressive and gong after a noob in that manner seems a little excessive. That said its very early in the game by normal standards so attacking a noob is normally standard to see if they slip up but this game we've reached end game prematurely so its not as acceptable.

Luco's post above seems rather well constructed for a noob, so if he is a wolf I would expect a pro to be on his team, perhaps jv, JKDS or gabe, but I don't find him overly wolfy aside from that.

Agree jv is most likely villager due to the rule change post but that could be a level.

JKDS seems.... I dunno, something. Erratic?

[rong]

Also I think the boog kill was throwing us a bone due to the unnatural deaths of bikes and ong.

[Luco]

Also I think the boog kill was throwing us a bone due to the unnatural deaths of bikes and ong.

They're fucking toying with us!

[jackvance]

yikes i just spazzed out and fingered someone. within 4 seconds i realized it was 6 villagers + 3 witches, not 6 villagers featuring 3 witches, so i deleted my post.

Yeah that's pretty much the crapshoot strategy the game will resort to soon unless we get really lucky now.

Also I think the boog kill was throwing us a bone due to the unnatural deaths of bikes and ong.

Pity kill.

But I gotta say bikes really screwed us, we all knew ong was a villager, with this format semi-afk's have so much power to screw the village sadly. That aside, here's what I got atm. We have little to go on but my strategy has always mostly been to spot villagers and then process of elimation try to find the wolves.

Villagers: jv, Gabe, rong, Pascal

jkds: tends a bit towards villager for me but could be a wolf

That leaves: hoopy, jyms, luco, daven

[jackvance]

Wanted to post a bit more thoughts but gtg.

[Hoopy]

No more fingering guys, guess wrong and it's game over.

[Hoopy]

It funny, most of the recent games had 400 posts by day 2. This one only has 120 by day 3 (no wuf, ong, rilla).

I like luco's last post, seems well thought out and reasonable. Villager for me.

[Hoopy]

PS if y'all train against me I will be fingering, it's high risk for sure but two villager deaths tonight is just as fail as three and at least I'd have a chance to take a witch down.

Except for this bit, if we lynch a villager today we still have a chance of getting a wolf next day (sudden death), fingering will more likely end up being wrong and the wolves win.

We'll also have the nightkill to work from, they can't pick an inactive this time since there aren't any.

[Luco]

So if it all runs against me today, I just curl up and take one for the team? Leaving it 4-3? That just sounds like getting blinded out to me.

Yes I may kill the game but I may also get my name written in song and tales of my deeds told to our grandchildren. I have a few hunches so I'm likely breaking even if I have to shove.

[Pascal]

You're the only person I'm convinced is a villager Luco so you guide and I shall follow

[Hoopy]

So if it all runs against me today, I just curl up and take one for the team? Leaving it 4-3? That just sounds like getting blinded out to me.

Yes I may kill the game but I may also get my name written in song and tales of my deeds told to our grandchildren. I have a few hunches so I'm likely breaking even if I have to shove.

I guess 4-3 is pretty dire, perfect play needed from then on.

luco, JV and rong are my best candidates for villagers right now.

[Luco]

You're the only person I'm convinced is a villager Luco so you guide and I shall follow

I guess I'm the only one not worried about metagame, I'm aware that towning myself too hard will make my first wolf game damn near impossible but whatevs

Well we have until friday (I sincerely hope) to get this right so let's slow the fuck down. (the fingering/voting, not the posting. that's slow enough already).

[jyms]

More convo and posting is definitely needed. I'm including myself in that. I haven't done much in the way of making myself look like a villager too. We haven't done enough to get the witches posting. I still think the witches may be operating from a list and is why boog was next. It keeps them from having a tell based on game dynamics and if they are on odd hours or one witch is not able to get online often the others can just work off the list.

Just my 2 cents. Two early night phases have really killed the conversations too, it's up to us to get them started again. I have no clue right now who is what, but I agree on luco as villager and JV has the ability to level us with that rule change, it would be awesome cred.

[Luco]

More convo and posting is definitely needed. I'm including myself in that. I haven't done much in the way of making myself look like a villager too. We haven't done enough to get the witches posting. I still think the witches may be operating from a list and is why boog was next. It keeps them from having a tell based on game dynamics and if they are on odd hours or one witch is not able to get online often the others can just work off the list.

Actually it was Hoopy who first suggested the 'set list' idea, not you. Perhaps you both need some time to get your stories straight?

[jyms]

I don't remember saying I said it first. I was just still agreeing with the sentiment.

[Luco]

I can see why this game would thrive on a poker forum

[rong]

Luco, have you played werewolf or any variation elsewhere before?

[Luco]

Nope, never. But I understand the concept. Kinda like a murder mystery game.

[rong]

Have you followed any games or read any old game threads?

[gabe]

Also, Gabe said (post-tlr) that it’s hard to see anyone not going for fingering, when it should have been obvious how bad it would be even with lynching imminent. These two things got my spidey senses tingling.

o ok....i wasnt saying it was a good strategy, i was just saying it seemed like the game would devolve into this because people think stuff like this:

PS if y'all train against me I will be fingering, it's high risk for sure but two villager deaths tonight is just as fail as three and at least I'd have a chance to take a witch down.

LOL


i dont see the reason for luco to be seen as innocent. he did some villager work but just his choice of words often make me think hes not posting straight. im sticking with jkds pascal and him

[Pascal]

Anyone else reckon gabe would lie about posting a finger then snap delete it so that there was no evidence and to put that idea that he could finger people in heads?

[Luco]

Have you followed any games or read any old game threads?

I popped in on the post game feedback thread last time IIRC. Also, I looked up the rules for mafia on wiki prior to joining.

o ok....i wasnt saying it was a good strategy, i was just saying it seemed like the game would devolve into this because people think stuff like this:

LOL


i dont see the reason for luco to be seen as innocent. he did some villager work but just his choice of words often make me think hes not posting straight. im sticking with jkds pascal and him

When you made your post, fingering was still guaranteed death for the fingerer. This is no longer the case.

If you don't trust me yet then so be it. Interrogate me, get some answers. I'll be doing the same to you.

[jyms]

This game is all about luckboxing now. I don't see how we can possibly get enough interplay between witches when endgame is already so close. Surely they aren't going to do anything to protect each other if one gets heat. They could be throwing each others names out without care. We have nothing to go on yet. Wagons must be built. Without anyone being bolded or pressured it's just going to be conversation.

[Luco]

This game is all about luckboxing now. I don't see how we can possibly get enough interplay between witches when endgame is already so close. Surely they aren't going to do anything to protect each other if one gets heat. They could be throwing each others names out without care. We have nothing to go on yet. Wagons must be built. Without anyone being bolded or pressured it's just going to be conversation.

Absolutely, let's get a train going. We need info.

[gabe]

Anyone else reckon gabe would lie about posting a finger then snap delete it so that there was no evidence and to put that idea that he could finger people in heads?

granted thats a sick idea for a level, but the truth is i was intoxicated in multiple ways after hanging out at a friends watching the bball championship last night. when i got back home i wasnt thinking straight but i wanted to hunt

[Pascal]

If you don't trust me yet then so be it. Interrogate me, get some answers. I'll be doing the same to you.

are you a witch?

[gabe]

This game is all about luckboxing now. I don't see how we can possibly get enough interplay between witches when endgame is already so close. Surely they aren't going to do anything to protect each other if one gets heat. They could be throwing each others names out without care. We have nothing to go on yet. Wagons must be built. Without anyone being bolded or pressured it's just going to be conversation.

bingo bango bongo

Absolutely, let's get a train going. We need info.

JKDS chooo choooo

Nvm, I just remembered why I couldnt remember the last game and could only remember ong's wolf game.

Its cuz i modded it D:

witch cover post

Nvm again!

rescind daven, BURN ONGBONGA

Since when has ongbonga ever gone 7 hours without posting in a ww game? The guys a witch.

bad reasoning. it looks like a joke but jkds knows ongbong plays a spazzy style almost always regardless of role

Fingering is like being a vigilante. You get a shot at a nonwolf controlled kill. Thats pretty awesome imo.

promoting fingering is good for witches. (i remarked on how fingering seemed likely, i wasnt promoting it)

Might as well just get rid of the night phase. Once again, wolves refuse to use it to their advantage.

saying whats on the minds of the witches is easy when youre a witch

[Luco]

are you a witch?

No, absolutely not and you can ask any of my classmates at hogwarts

[jackvance]

Anyone else reckon gabe would lie about posting a finger then snap delete it so that there was no evidence and to put that idea that he could finger people in heads?

The amount of times I've seen wolves pull such a level in previous games is around zero.

So I have: have said things they'd never say as a wolf (Gabe, Luco, Pascal) and Rong is too empathic with the village to be a baddie.

Most likely wolves: JKDS, Jyms and ? Daven. (makes hoopy the last villager)

Btw I'm just using a very broad strokes kind of approach here in this game, not too much to explain, just being intuitive so I'm not going to be too convincing to the village but whatever.


And I'm down with a JKDS lynch.

[JKDS]

Gabe, what are you even doing. Re your last post

1) Covering what, exactly?
2) Its a semijoke post. Im trying to incite an easily incitable ong into posting. No, i really wasnt gonna lynch him and I like having fun in the early game.
3) Fingering IS good for the village. Just because some villagers chose to use it less than sensibly doesnt all of a sudden invalidate its giant benefit to the village.
4) I was saying whats on their minds? I thought i was mocking them.

[rong]

I guess I'm the only one not worried about metagame, I'm aware that towning myself too hard will make my first wolf game damn near impossible but whatevs

Does a noob first timer who hasn't even read a previous game post like this?

The expressions are just not noob expressions. In fact the only two players I can think of that do are JKDS and ong. As ong never played and was a villager anyway, it seems quite feasible that luco is a wolf coached by JKDS. I'm liking lynching luco and if he shows up wolf go for JKDS next day.

To be clear I'm not advocating bolding anyone at this point in time, I'm just voicing my thoughts.

Looking at luco's long post above it also seems hard to see that coming from a noob. It's not just the arguments presented but the terminology. If he is a villager he seems to be a natural at playing werewolf but that doesn't explain the terminology.

[rong]

Gabe's post is pretty good. Ties into my luco and JKDS theory too.

[Luco]

God damn I am fucking flattered, thank you.

TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE MOTHERFUCKERS

[JKDS]

Oh jesus christ. Even if your coaching theory was valid, theres not a single player in this game who couldnt do it.