Congradulations to the Village of WW 2013!!!

to the rest of the wolves, sorry for messing it up by going after aubrey. Bad choice on my part. To everyone else, gg, cheers. I'll be a lot better second time around

Seriously sick first game daven, I don't think you've got anything to be sorry for.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Seriously sick first game daven, I don't think you've got anything to be sorry for.

aww shucks
worth noting that i was warned that gator was dangerous early on, and pushed to lynch aubrey = a pretty big mistake

cheers anyway though, and as for all the coaching theories, well, i'm flattered

i'm also 20-tabling, so shouldn't really be posting...

Surviving Villagers: Hoopy, Wufwugy, Ongbonga, Gator, and...I swear there was someone else.

Dead Thread: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/fEV86DiwiU6df

Wolf Thread: http://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/tFdrNZBEBuFu3

MVP choices: Daven, Gator, and JV

CONGRATS VILLAGE! BUT I WAS ROOTING FOR THE WOLF

Well played Daven. It's a tough go with that crowd at the end. Only a Bigred return could have saved you

Yay! Daven, you played a really good game, esp for a noob. Well done to gator for his play today.

Glad I was right about hoopy. I started to doubt.

i'm happy for the wolf thread to be posted, but wait for the others to chime in imo

Woot.

Tough call on the MVP, they all had great spots in the game. Daven's early play really set him up for the endgame but he didn't have the experience to pull it out.

MVP FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Awesome modding again, thanks to both JKDS and rilla.

MVP is definitely bigred. Followed by gator.

Link to dead thread?

I dont discriminate MVP for village or wolf. I personally think daven played an excellent game, and was only caught off guard by gator's sleeper style.

Jack's vigilante shots were overall good. I feel he played a great vig, and introduced a cool strategy element when he lied about his shot. I feel that when JV didnt die when he shot gizmo, that wufwugy should have been cleared as a villager because of this strategy element. But w/e

Gator: I blame him for daven's loss. Im pretty sure he wins otherwise.

Merged all the traffic to this thread to keep the game thread game posts

Oh yeah, if daven didnt aroooo there...i was closing the thread for an hour and calling him a villager.

From my pov, daven's downfall was gizmo. Bearing in mind, everything I read from gator today filled me with paranoia, so it's hard to put trust in him. I went for daven because of gizmo, not gator. It's funny how even good wolves can bring down their buddies accidentally.

But I did not have a wolf read on daven at all, so yeah he played awesome from my pov. And gator is a very good villager as well as wolf.

Daven, you really did play an awesome game for your first wolf. If the others hadn't bought my theory enough to look deeper at you I think you win easily.

And once again, awesome end game bigred. At least this time you didn't cost us the win.

MVP has to go to Gator just because that read was GOAT level. It really was. Ofc JV constructed the correct lynch order several days before the end. That's not necessarily MVP material, but just like "sickest player" material. I haven't yet been able to construct the correct lynch order several days before the end.

Daven could have still lost without Gator because we were still sticking to JV's must-lynches, of which Daven was one. Without Gator, Hoops would have died today and then Daven would have been the next in line on his list.

Curiously, this was the best game I played. Still not as good as I want, but I was able to find the ultimately winning decisions, which is better than average for me.

Thanks for modding Jewkids

I totes was the first player on the lynching Daven list

KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU SAY I SUCKZORS AT THIS GAYME


Seriously, though, Gator that was a disgusting good read. I wasn't joking when I said it was so weak at first. I was only able to see the dynamic of Daven hedging hard on Pascal when I could bring in the hour long time period when DTB and Gizmo switched the lynch while Daven merely said a switch was good

Thanks to JKDizzle and the big primate for modding and story respectively.

And MVP goes to Gator imo with bigred a very close second.

Oh BTW, I felt like it was pretty obvious that Boog and Daven should die due to the Pascal/Skype thing, but I felt doing that would be so against the spirit of the game that I didn't even want to entertain it as a thought.

If you look at it though, the exact date that Pascal was waiting for a Skype contact was during the Night Phase when he would need to stay up for Daven's timezone and comment on the kill.

Oh yeah Rilla modded too.

I would have remembered that if he didn't yell at me for posting after the Day end

lol you read the dead thread yet wuf? Pascal was waiting for his girlfriend. It should've been totally ignored. It's not like skype is used solely for WW. Keith should've left that.

Good game everyone, great job daven. You don't have anything to apologize for!

Originally Posted by OngBonga

lol you read the dead thread yet wuf? Pascal was waiting for his girlfriend. It should've been totally ignored. It's not like skype is used solely for WW. Keith should've left that.

Not yet, I figured that it was more probable as a coincidence, but given the information we had in the game, it was the logical conclusion. I was honestly surprised people didn't point it out

It did strike me as odd that Pascal would mention Skype if he was using it related to WW

Originally Posted by wufwugy

If you look at it though, the exact date that Pascal was waiting for a Skype contact was during the Night Phase when he would need to stay up for Daven's timezone and comment on the kill.

Pascal wasn't doing anything WW related. We didn't even use skype for our wolf den.

I don't care if we share the wolf convo.

We didn't even use skype for our wolf den.

HAHAHAHAHA

And thanks for modding, JKDS, and thanks go to Rilla for the stories!

This was really a FUN game. Hell,.the wifey was even asking how it was going. She was shocked that I was still alive at the end.

i agree with everyone daven. once i found out you were wolf i thought there was no way they'd win. i was telling my boyfriend we pretty much lost, haha.

anyway this was fun. would play again. will work on trusting myself more next time, and not worrying so much if my reads are dumb.

You were great too aubrey, most noobs have no idea what to do or say, so to have two noobs in this game both contribute to the game dynamics, that was great. I hope both of you play again in the future, and it's good to see keith back too.

I feel a bit sorry for gizmo. Him not voting jyms helped clear wuf, but it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Does he really nail jyms and look bad in the process, just so wuf doesn't look like a lock villager to anyone who notices? Seems logical to stay off villager wagons if possible, especially if there's already a wolf on it. But had gizmo voted jyms, maybe I still worry about wuf on final day, because let's face it, wuf is always fucking wolfy.

The entire dead thread thinks I'm a fucking idiot yet doesn't see that half of the wolves died when they died because of me. When Gator had his Daven read yet didn't articulate it in a way that convinced anybody, I studied the threads for hours and saw exactly what he wanted to say and did enough to convince the others of Gator's initial read

I think people just hate my style. Hell, I hate my style because I get so much flak for it. I do it partially because it's fun and partially because it's a great way of solidifying roles. My wackiness was indeed able to solidify my villager role due to forcing the wolves to play their hand on me. Just imagine how the game would have gone if Hoopy and Ong didn't see that Gizmo didn't care if I died or not

Anyways, I'll be modding the next game. Daven, you're fucking sick; take that as a compliment. You played the best nub game ever. Congrats to Gator, Ong, and Hoopy for getting the job done

NO MY EGO IS BIGGER THAN YOURS WUF, THE WOLVES DIED BECAUSE OF ME.

I GOT PASCAL AND BANANA EARLY ON, I TRIED TO GET GIZMO LYNCHED INSTEAD OF JYMS (SICK SOULREAD, I WAS 100% BUT KEPT IT QUIET SO I DIDN'T GET NOMMED) AND FINAL DAY I KNEW IT WAS DAVEN BUT I WAS JUST TOYING WITH HIM BY MAKING HIM THINK I WASN'T SURE.

I WANT THAT MVP DAMMIT, VILLAGE IS FUCKED WITHOUT DA ONG.

Also, try not caring what other people think wuf.

thanks ong. i just need to stop being a self-pitying poop and just try to kick ass. (this pretty much applies to real life as well as ww. *sigh*)

i'll play again, for sure. it's really fun and i've never really played anything quite like it. i'm always down for a new kind of game to play, particularly a strategy one. i like the social aspect too. i like how people's personalities are an integral part of the game.

i like how people's personalities are an integral part of the game.

Yeah I've started playing on another site, but it doesn't compare to here, because the games here are much more personal, more friendly, there's more banter and mockery, and people don't get pissy with each other. It's a good bunch here.

I laughed everytime Ong tried to use a term from that site over here. YOU SILLY ONG, THERES NO SUCH THING AS AN L-1 HERE!!!

Im gonna post the Wolf thread above. I cant see anyone having a problem with it honestly, and 2/4 wolves approval seems good enough to me.

STATING INTENT TO HAMMER, PLEASE CLAIM IN YOUR NEXT POST

I claim Jailkeeper. Which was totally not what this game's dead angel was supposed to be >.>

Wolf QT was fun read, my favourite bit is "ong is awesome".

Daven is truly a natural at this. I can't imagine many people being such a good wolf on first ever game.

lol Daven's first ww den post:

"first werewolf ever for me. Anyone here have a clue? I've ghosted a couple of earlier ones so at least have a rough idea how it works. Basically ong posts walls of text and accuses everyone of being a wolf and then people start guessing. Right?"

Daven played a sick sick sick game.

Fuck Gator and Fuck Ong. I don't care how bad it looks, if I ever play again and draw wolf then you two bastards are going to be the first to go.

GG to the village. Definitely clutch on the last day.

OMG THE WOLVES CALLED ME A GOOD PLAYER

What does MVP stand for?

Edit: Most Valuable Player ldo, brainfart

Nice play in the end Gator, the endgame was yours.

And awesome play by Daven, best beginner wolf play I have ever seen.

Fun game all in all.

Daven played a great game, however i think its probably an advantage to play first game as a wolf than a villager. Daven had the opportunity to discuss strategy , get hints on what things he should avoid doing .Aubery didn't get that help although probably had some hints from wuf in any pre game discussion they had before she signed up.Having said that though , players still have to play well to avoid incriminating themselves or the rest of the wolf team.

As a result Aubery made lots of mistakes and did things that resulted in her lynch.Daven benefitted and except for Gator's intervention would probably have gone on to a deserved wolf win.

Daven,if you'd survived and gator had died who would you have eaten? And would Bigred have been modkilled.

Can we clear something up though, one thing that made me uneasy in this game was the bit where Aubery confronted Hoopy for calling her a "he". I thought it was an easy mistake for Hoopy to make since this side of the atlantic "Aubery" is a man's name and some of aubery's early posts used language i wouldn't have expected from a woman i.e "lurking like a motherfucker" but not knowing American women i wouldn't know whether this was correct.
I PM'ed JKDS about this early in the game when that phrase was used , and at one point wuf said he knew things that he wouldn't use against her.I didn't get involved in this discussion since i was already on a warning for out of game stuff. Wuf put aubery in this spot by introducing her as possibly wuf's mum and aubery said she did have balls figuratively speaking in the sign up thread.


and is Luco looking to play next time? MVP- most valuable player.

Originally Posted by Keith

and is Luco looking to play next time? MVP- most valuable player.

I've considered signing up before and very nearly signed this time

Keith it isn't Aubery, but Aubrey (though her real name is Faye I think she said somewhere), I saw you make that typo all the time.

I personally had fun modding. Although, I'd have skipped both playing and modding had Rilla not pm'd me going "HEY JKAIDS, MOD THIS ONE...I GOTS THE STORIES". (actual quote)*.

I kept trying to get reactions from my blue text stuff, didnt work most of the time

*Not an actual quote

aubrey is also a traditionally male name, but it's more common as a female name in the united states.

yes, my real name is faye. i don't mind being called aubrey though. i didn't pick that username because it's female (it's actually from a book) but since can be feminine, both aubrey and faye work. aubrey is probably easier since i doubt you guys are going to remember my name is faye. (although if anyone is a cowboy bebop fan i could just give myself a faye valentine avatar - that would be easy on the eyes for any hetero guy here so it's a win/win).

wuf didn't give me any hints really before the game. i kept asking him what the gameplay was and all he really ever told me was i just had to read the thread and i'd figure it out. i was confused for a while because when he would talk about ww he would say "roleplaying," and since i have a history of participating in roleplay forums (like, making characters and actually writing prose fiction and piecing together a story with other people), i was a bit confused. once the game began to unfold i got the gist of it pretty quick though. i will admit that i got a bit overwhelmed once the pace picked up, but i think that when i play again, i'll be able to catch things as they happen (like the timing of people's votes, who starts wagon, things like that that i wasn't taking note of as they occurred in this game).

i don't really know what it means to type like a female or like a male (apart from the stereotypes which don't really apply to most people). i suppose i have some "crass" language. "lurking like a motherfucker" is a phrase i quite literally pulled out of my ass on the spot.. it's kind of stupid, i didn't think anyone would focus on it, haha. in forum settings like this i type exactly as i speak, so it's extremely casual and usually grammatically incorrect and curses and full-on randomness. i think most people here do that too. i dunno. sorry that it caused you confusion, keith.

i only called out hoopy because people were calling me she, so i thought maybe it was indicative of him not reading the thread closely.

jkds - i enjoyed your blue text! really. if i play again when you're modding, i'll respond to them.

(can i just say how beautiful it is to be able to edit my posts when i realize i worded something like a total doofus.)

lol doofus. Yanks!

i think i'm the only person i know who uses the word doofus. i prefer doof though.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

MVP has to go to Gator just because that read was GOAT level. It really was. Ofc JV constructed the correct lynch order several days before the end. That's not necessarily MVP material, but just like "sickest player" material. I haven't yet been able to construct the correct lynch order several days before the end.

Daven could have still lost without Gator because we were still sticking to JV's must-lynches, of which Daven was one. Without Gator, Hoops would have died today and then Daven would have been the next in line on his list.

I got quite worried though, because everyone got very up into lynching Gator who wasn't on my list because I had a very strong villager read on him. I didn't bother to say what it was because it's something that can easily be faked by wolves and I didn't want to give it away. But all is well that ends well.

I did make some mistakes on my last day alive though, never should have let boog get on the list as I had 3 villager reads on him that pretty much made him a lock but I kinda got swayed by villager suspicions and I got a bit mellow figuring we'd win anyway. (the 3 reads: his aggression early game, the way he layed into DTB which swung his wagon into action and the DTB-boog back-and-forth arguing lateron). I also had a villager read on Aubrey (her moral indignation when targetted which you never see in wolves, especially for a beginning player) which is why I put her last, even though just about everyone else wanted to see her lynched quickly.

And a lot of fun was had laying into you wuf, making everyone believe I was going to shoot you (which I was never gonna do, you were as sure a villager in my eyes as they come) so the wolves would let me live to get my real shot off. This worked out quite well, with a bit of help from bikes's outing.

Originally Posted by Keith

Daven,if you'd survived and gator had died who would you have eaten? And would Bigred have been modkilled.

i had only got as far as it being one of [ong/wuf/hoopy], i definitely wasn't going to kill bigred because if he voted on the last day it would have been 2:1 in my favour that he got it wrong... probably would have gone for wuf and aimed for levels on levels type of shit and made ong think until his head exploded

also, it was heaps of fun and thanks to everyone who played. I doubt i'll post as much next time around irrespective of role, and i can't imagine anyone not getting better at this game by playing more.
JV, was i right in the gamethread post where i said that i figured out how you chose gizmo as your target (i.e. we ate rong and rong looked like seer if you were a wolf with gizmo)
and i'll try not to be afk for 1/4 of the game next time around.

Originally Posted by daven

JV, was i right in the gamethread post where i said that i figured out how you chose gizmo as your target (i.e. we ate rong and rong looked like seer if you were a wolf with gizmo)

No, and I don't remember reading that tbh. It was exactly as I said in the gamethread, the wolves were doing a good job at hiding, which meant to me gizmo almost had to be one of the remaining 2 wolves. But I already had him in my scope earlier than that, when I shot XTR I was also considering gizmo, but I figured it was a bit too early and would be too big of a mistake if he flipped villager because of how useful he can be at endgame.

My main strategy for this game is to identify villagers, which I think I'm pretty good at. Then by process of elimination I'll arrive at the wolves. (very different approach than most people) Ignoring my boog mess-up, on my last day alive you and hoopy were basically the only ones I didn't have a villager read on. There was nothing particularly wolfy about you, except that your style reminded me of gizmo. And one more thing that aroused my suspicion, you kept insisting you didn't see how Jyms was cleared, and asked me about it. I gave a lengthy explanation, which you subsequently ignored. That was kind of fishy. But I did give you the benefit of the doubt for being new which is why I put Hoopy as my main suspect over you.

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

although if anyone is a cowboy bebop fan

Go on...

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

i could just give myself a faye valentine avatar

You should!

Originally Posted by JKDS

I personally had fun modding. Although, I'd have skipped both playing and modding had Rilla not pm'd me going "HEY JKAIDS, MOD THIS ONE...I GOTS THE STORIES". (actual quote)*.

I kept trying to get reactions from my blue text stuff, didnt work most of the time

*Not an actual quote

OH YEAH well I wasn't gonna write until you received that PM so you're just as culpable

I like how some of the scenes turned out, I don't like how some of the others did. That sometimes a reflection of how much time I put into them and sometimes a reflection of how interested I was in what I was writing.

Anywho, writing is hard, especially when you don't know what the hell you're even trying to do.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Oh yeah Rilla modded too.

I would have remembered that if he didn't yell at me for posting after the Day end

Also, if bigred had ever died, I was going to have him think in blunted sentences, maybe talk like Hodor, generally bumble about, evacuate his bowels, and die comically.

But no, no one ever kills bigred.

I'm going to tone down my style in the future. By a lot, actually. I think the way I play is very beneficial for the village, but it seems to just irritate the hell out of half the players, and I don't want to do that

If you're wondering why I say the style is beneficial, here are a few reasons: it forces roles to become more defined by throwing so many curve balls. It provokes the wolves to make all sorts of mistakes including an unnoticed but big one in not nomming me because they think I'm on the brink of a lynching, but then it turns out that my defenses are good enough that I don't get lynched, so I end up being a statistically effective confirmed villager, and in the endgame that substantially narrows the pool from which the wolf/s remain. My endgame record supports this. I'm pretty sure the two best villager endgame records on the forum are me and Ong, and I really think it's because of the dynamic we create in keeping ourselves alive at all costs and throwing curve balls. We're not as good at finding wolves as some others, but for some reason, when we keep ourselves alive to the very end, our team wins virtually every time

Regardless, if I'm going to keep playing this game, I have to stop doing that because it upsets me when I'm perceived as the village idiot because I juggle soulreads seemingly irrationally or whimsically

Guys, the reason I'm so good at this game is because...

........atthe start of the game the village takes out the inactives and noobs. The wolves take out the best players and anyone giving hints that they are a special so wuf gets to survive the initial couple of days.

After that the village take out the wolf suspects, the wolves don't get on wufs wagon because he creates mayhem and confusion , forces some specials to out themselves and takes some of the heat off them.Theres no incentive for them to eat him.

Then the wolves have to eat the confirmed lookups and the village are looking for the wolves and wolves stay off your wagon to keep the confusion going.Thats how you reach the engame, not because you are good , but because you are beneficial to the wolf team.

Keeping yourself alive at all costs is bad for the village, lynching the fake seer is a case in point. there was a chance that he was the actual seer , very small in most peoples eyes but still a chance. Once the real seer outed it would have been obvious as the wolves would have eaten him and then obvious that DTB was a wolf. Wolf DTB was just a dead wolf walking to be lynched later, seer DTB would have been an asset providing extra lookups and the wolves would have had to eat him to stop the confirmed list growing once it was clear that the village wouldn't kill him.


ooh ....and apologies to Aubrey for getting her name wrong so many times . Good thing that JV pointed it out .

I agree. I hated the DTB lynch. Speaking of, DTB, who would your next "lookup" have been?

Keith, you contradicted your own logic. One of the most important things a villager can do (arguably the single most important thing they can do) is keep the wolf suspects that the village lynches on people other than the only confirmed villager they have (themselves).

It isn't a coincidence that the village winrate is much higher in games where villagers are able to distinguish themselves and deflect from their own lynches. By the endgame, this becomes an enormous statistical benefit because they are keeping the only villager they truly know alive while wolves are not that good at doing the same for themselves.

The idea that Ong and I cause confusion that helps the wolves is demonstrably false because we keep winning whenever we're alive. It's a fun idea, but the bottom line is that when villagers play their cards as hard as they can, the lynches end up hitting the wolves instead. Our "whacky shit" doesn't confuse anybody moreso than the game itself already does because we don't stick to bad reads when they are shown to be bad. And all that whacky shit ends up confirming our village roles in such a way that we could enter the last Day of this game with 3 out of 5 players being wolf suspects instead of 5 out of 5. That's the point

JV is right, you can't play the way I played as a wolf unless you're a psychopath. And since almost nobody is a psychopath, that style corners the wolves very efficiently

Originally Posted by wufwugy

JV is right, you can't play the way I played as a wolf unless you're a psychopath. And since almost nobody is a psychopath, that style corners the wolves very efficiently

Or incredibly imaginative.

Man I so wish I got wolf.

(did I just call myself incredibly imaginative? yes I did.)

Seriously though, I know being wolf is definitely way way way harder than I can even conceive of (like making moves that aren't transparent) but when it comes to the tone and rhetoric of the post, how hard is it to act like Wugy did in this game, while looking like this all the while:



one day I will be a wolf and this post will come back to bite me in the ass.

You could probably do it because you're a girl and they have no morals

I laughed at the part where Wuf thought he doesn't stick to bad reads.

Comparing yourself to Ong is unfair, very unfair.

Also, sacrificing yourself and allowing jyms to live was the play to clearer victory, every time.

Originally Posted by BooG690

I laughed at the part where Wuf thought he doesn't stick to bad reads.

While you were busy being dead, I turned two bad reads into one great read that helped kill the last wolf. Stop being so cantankerous all the time

I'd hardly consider agreeing with Gator and regurgitating his read as a "great read."

Also, thanks for the new word. I've added cantankerous to my vocabulary.

I still think both Bikes outing to early in a game where lynches were flip flopping in the last few hours was a big mistake and I also don't see how anyone could think I was a wolf and I got lynched when I did. Ya I posted less but come on, even bigred is a better lynch over almost any lynch since he's such an obvious villager and the wolves will just let us hang with him at the end.