shark or donkey?

blinds are super tight. open limper is 44/10 ish over small sample, but seems loose passiveish. overlimper is 95/0 and might be a complete idiot. i figure this is sort of a squeeze spot? maybe too aggro, but i figure open limper cant call w/o something decent, and if overlimper calls, great.

thoughts?

PokerStars Game #40312856830: Tournament #246839579, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2010/02/25 14:26:39 ET
Table '246839579 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Keegan999 (1515 in chips)
Seat 2: Tod Teron (1020 in chips)
Seat 4: pfsbulldawg (1095 in chips)
Seat 5: alex-m07 (2000 in chips)
Seat 6: Mister.Lie (1475 in chips)
Seat 8: grantis2 (2950 in chips)
Seat 9: Chen_Chan (3445 in chips)
alex-m07: posts small blind 25
Mister.Lie: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pfsbulldawg [Ad Jh]
grantis2: folds
Chen_Chan: folds
Keegan999: calls 50
Tod Teron: calls 50
pfsbulldawg: raises 225 to 275
alex-m07: folds
Mister.Lie: folds
Keegan999: folds
Tod Teron: folds
Uncalled bet (225) returned to pfsbulldawg
pfsbulldawg collected 225 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 225 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Keegan999 folded before Flop
Seat 2: Tod Teron folded before Flop
Seat 4: pfsbulldawg (button) collected (225)
Seat 5: alex-m07 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Mister.Lie (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: grantis2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Chen_Chan folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Easy value raise Taking down the 175 chip pot without a fight isn't a bad result at all.

since pot is >15% of your stack if your going to raise, couldn't you make an argument for just shoving over. you might get low pp's to fold and might get called by weaker aces or worse.

donkeys post results

i would make it 350 so you can shove the flop with a ~PSB if it ends up HU. With those stats anything other than raising is bad. Open shove is OK but I think raising make more money.

to me, shoving made little sense. i raise enough to get the job done. if either call, i am done w/o a pair or read. shoving puts your entire tourney on the line when the rare time happens that the blinds wake up with a hand. at least with a raise, i can get out with AJ if a blind shoves or i get limp/RR'd. its just too early in a tourney to go busto with AJ, especially with two bonafide idiots on my right and nits on my left.

@ posting results....lol. i assume donkeys only post w/o converting hands, too.

if they check to you on the flop and you aren't shoving, you should just limp along or fold pre. You should not be raising a 95/0 expecting him to fold. The only real question is what you do if they shove in front and you miss. Run some numbers on raising and then giving up on flops you miss.

You have 20BBs and we're well off the bubble, I don't know why that's 'early' or why that matters. If you never fold again because it's too early to do something I guarantee you'll play better.

Same goes for never posting a result in the OP. Learning that is going to help you a lot more than anything else you could get out of this thread. You've been around long enough that you should have seen the pattern between winners and results posters. It isn't a coincidence.

there's no reason to be a punk about it. sometimes we get in a hurry to post a hand and w/o a converter, we just post the whole thing. i dont see that as a big deal. and, i certainly wouldnt assume that makes a losing player.

and, read the op a little closer. i never said i expected or wanted the 95/0 to fold. i was fine with HIM calling.

Originally Posted by drmcboy

if they check to you on the flop and you aren't shoving, you should just limp along or fold pre. You should not be raising a 95/0 expecting him to fold. The only real question is what you do if they shove in front and you miss. Run some numbers on raising and then giving up on flops you miss.

this is why i was thinking about just shoving pre. playing the flop is tough if they bet into you? and c betting would have to be a shove, because you'll be committed anyways. this might be a leak of mine but i'm usually folding preflop in late MP, even with opponents loose passive stats theirs four people left to act, and your not even sure you'll have position on the flop.

I agree that you need a plan for the flop.

Squeeze plays against loose players can sometimes just be a pot sweetener. Rather than thinking what the second limper might have they tend to think more along the lines of I might win a big pot here with my 910 or whatever and I've already put some money in.

The good side to this is these players can often be fit or fold players so without a really wet board you can probably take it on the flop as mentioned.

this is what I saw, cannot get quote to work:

if either call, i am done w/o a pair or read

I guess I don't get what your plan was given your various statements. As long as the above is not true, it's fine.

Not sure why I'm a punk but sorry to offend. If it's the results thing, it takes about 10 seconds to delete them, converted or unconverted, You made a choice and I think it's very wrong and indicative of a leak and something you can learn from.