in the SB with 99 everyone folded but the button (short stack at table;but only 274 chips less than me).button shoves i was tempted to fold my 99 but made the call he had AA
01-15-2015 06:34 PM
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bubbled in ftr tilt 250? right or wrong move?in the SB with 99 everyone folded but the button (short stack at table;but only 274 chips less than me).button shoves i was tempted to fold my 99 but made the call he had AA |
01-15-2015 07:40 PM
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Was a UL situation - that's all. | |
01-15-2015 08:00 PM
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how many BBs did you have? what was the blind level? how many players left? what was the payout structure? | |
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01-16-2015 04:11 AM
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Full Tilt, 250/500 blinds, 50 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players |
Last edited by Keith; 01-16-2015 at 04:13 AM. | |
01-16-2015 02:18 PM
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It's close IMO. | |
01-16-2015 02:32 PM
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did you check stack sizes ? 14.6 bb isn't exactly a "short" stack , 15.2 and 3 guys with 17bb stacks , calling a shove on the bubble with 99 isn't a great play. effectively there's a blind steal between all our stacks. Also its a 3.30$ buyin and 24$ min cash . thats one hell of a bubble jump , its not as if its just about getting your buyin back like a normal min cash would be. |
01-16-2015 03:20 PM
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Yes I did. Short stack as in "shortest stack". | |
01-17-2015 02:19 AM
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We all know the situation, we sit there with 99, and think that button is just trying to steal the blinds. But would button really take that risk so close to the money with 15BB left? It all depends on what read SB have on Button. I don't think I would make that call, as you can easily get back into the game fighting for the win with 15 BB left. | |
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01-20-2015 08:05 AM
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Like fuck would I be folding this against keith. He knows full well that we should be folding hands like this at this bubble, which in turn makes it a great move for him to be openshoving virutally his entire range... which makes him easily wide enough to make the call. | |
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01-20-2015 09:59 AM
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The call was ok since you were shortstack. It could be a little suspicious the btn push with 14bb, since I personally of the players open push having around 10-12bb. But if you had seen him open push with 14bb earlier then there's nothing to suspect. If on the other hand, you have seen that he opens to standard 2xbb, then you could suspecty}, but I agree with everyone that the call is really ok. |
01-22-2015 03:34 AM
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01-22-2015 04:11 AM
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nope shoving for value . Had checked the password release thread reguularly in the runup to the event to answer questions and correlated his screename to FTR name and knew he wasnt an FTR reg ,so implied read of fishier than an FTR reg.M was 6.5 ish so seemed obvious shove with all my range here and had been shoving a fair bit already,so was likely to eventually run into a hand that would call me. |
01-22-2015 11:29 AM
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I'd be shoving AA here, assuming I'd been shoving a lot and/or perceived the standard to be fishy. I think shifting from push/fold mode to regular opens with 14bb, I'd be worried it was going to look too strong. I'd only standard open if my stack had depleted to this size through being card dead, but I'd also be opening everything else at standard. | |
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01-22-2015 02:46 PM
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I like a call here against someone shoving a wide range on the button, which I assume Keith is. I think I call with 88+,AQ+ in this spot, that may even be too nitty, it's been a long time since I've played pokers. | |
01-23-2015 04:34 PM
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I don't know what payouts are but this is a pretty standard shove with 99. | |
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01-24-2015 04:55 AM
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from memory payouts were something like 22 33 44 60 97 156 and a $3.30 buyin |
01-30-2015 04:43 PM
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Pretty tough call with 99. I feel like someone could easily open shove the button here with a lower pair who didn't want to be shoved on from a standard button open because the SB/BB definitely had stack sizes that could 3B shove. You would also have to decide if he's a player that would value shove the button here with a monster instead of min-ish betting to induce a shove. If he only min-ish opens a monster then I think the call is fine because it essentially takes AA,KK,QQ,(possibly JJ),AK out of his range then I think you are +ev vs the rest of his shoving hands: smaller pr, 1010,JJ?, 2 broadway cards... |
04-24-2015 10:42 AM
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99 is a +EV call almost against all types of opponents. It's like a set up situation so don't worry about it. |
05-05-2015 06:42 AM
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In this private tournaments i play for top2 so i can t fold 99. Maybe a lot of players want to make the money and they will fold this kind of hands. Last time at ftr on bubble i was verry aggressive, sure i had a big stack and a lot of tight players at my table. | |
05-06-2015 01:15 PM
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Yeah, we don't want to make a habit of folding 99 in that spot. | |
05-07-2015 01:26 PM
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It feels pretty close, but the fact that it's a bubble with BB still to act I think you could maybe find a fold there. However if the button just standard opened, it's a 3-bet shove all day! |
05-14-2015 08:20 AM
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05-14-2015 09:29 AM
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How can you do a delete? That would be like the news not rerunning the news at 6:00pm and 10:00 pm just because of their mistaken notion that a majority of peeps watch at 5:00pm. kape is adding to the conversation, no different than a poll would show 8 people lean this way and 2 people lean that way. You delete 6 people and then the poll shows 2 people lean this way and 2 people lean that way and it looks like things are split down the middle when they are not. |
Last edited by eberetta1; 05-14-2015 at 09:43 AM.
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05-14-2015 10:10 AM
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...us-198563.html . In this case the deleted post was one of a series of hyperposted posts some of which were also deleted for the same reasons. The tightening up of qualified member status is there to promote "quality" forum posts. low content posts rehashing what has already been said as part of a hyyper post series gives the impression that they are being made solely to gain entry to the value added money events . |
05-14-2015 07:49 PM
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Sounds great Keith. Even though I may be an old timer on this forum, I like to make sure I am within forum rules. |
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05-15-2015 03:47 PM
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in my opinion this is an easy fold. i think in this situation it is a big chance that the button has 2 overcards or 10 10+ so your range |
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05-26-2015 03:04 PM
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I think it was the correct decision , taking into account that you want to play to win. 99 is a very good hand for this situation where the opponent moves all in on the button with a large range of hands |
05-27-2015 03:05 AM
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In general, easy call considering that there's going to be probably good time until someone busts + you get a nice stack if you win (I'd . UL. If button would have very tight range and no understanding of how tight blinds call then it might do for fold. |
08-03-2015 09:51 AM
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One of the most interesting situations I have read recently. |