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    Default 25NL - Bluffing the Fish - A few hands

    Hand 1) Villain is a nutter, but I seem to have picked up a sizing tell on him and have been abusing it a little and he has been folding. He seems to overbet anything middle-pair or worse on the flop, but size TP+ reasonably. Although I only have 43 hands on him, he's played almost all of them so I think I have a fairly good read on him.

    He has been folding to 3bets a lot preflop, but maybe K9s is good enough to just call pre? Not sure it's good enough to 3bet for value.

    On the flop, I don't think his sizing is strong (and I also have a tonne of equity) so I want to raise, but stack size makes it awkward. Do I just shove over his overbet, or do I make a committing raise and then call it off if he shoves? I have no idea how he will react to me calling flop, but shoving over a turn barrel on lots of cards could be an option?

    Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

    ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
    $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, August 24, 07:26:08 ET 2013
    Table Cyrene VI (Real Money)
    Seat 5 is the button
    Seat 1: BB ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 44
    Seat 2: MP ( $20.51 USD ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 25, 3B: 8, AF: 3.2, Hands: 75
    Seat 4: CO ( $25.98 USD ) - VPIP: 86, PFR: 63, 3B: 37, AF: 6.0, Hands: 43
    Seat 5: Hero ( $38.79 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 3.7, Hands: 34
    Seat 6: SB ( $25.85 USD ) - VPIP: 9, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: 0.0, Hands: 66

    BB ($25)
    UTG ($20.51)
    MP ($25.98)
    Hero (Button) ($38.79)
    SB ($25.85)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 9
    1 fold, MP raises $0.75, Hero raises $2.25, 2 folds, MP calls $1.50

    Flop: ($4.85) 10, 5, Q (2 players)
    MP bets $5, Hero raise/call $12.50-15???


    Hand 2) Different table/villain. Also a nutter. He insta (and I mean insta) overbet donks this board bvb. Given that he is likely to be incredibly polarised minraise is good?

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    ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
    $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, August 24, 07:16:05 ET 2013
    Table Caia III (Real Money)
    Seat 1 is the button
    Seat 1: Hero ( $37.10 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 18, 3B: 0.0, AF: 1.8, Hands: 39
    Seat 2: SB ( $31.36 USD ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 3.5, Hands: 41
    Seat 3: BB ( $25.30 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 14, 3B: 13, AF: 0.0, Hands: 35
    Seat 4: UTG ( $17.30 USD ) - VPIP: 78, PFR: 19, 3B: 22, AF: 6.3, Hands: 27
    Seat 5: MP ( $16.40 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 12, 3B: 17, AF: 0.0, Hands: 17
    Seat 6: CO ( $13.48 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 10, AF: 5.0, Hands: 55



    Hero (Button) ($37.10)
    SB ($31.36)
    BB ($25.30)
    UTG ($17.30)
    MP ($16.40)
    CO ($13.48)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, J
    UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises $0.62, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.37

    Flop: ($1.59) A, A, 3 (2 players)
    UTG bets $3.50, Hero raises $7
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    Hand 1) K9s as 3-bet seems fine given Villain's ridic wide ranges. I think raise as semi-bluff OTF is good, too. Your sizing is fine. You'd have to bet pretty small to avoid being priced in to call a shove OTT, assuming your 12 outs are clean.
    (Even if you raised as small as $10.50, you'll get 25.2% pot odds to draw to 26.1% equity.)

    Hand 2) IDK, I'd prob snap fold. If you're going to try to bluff here, wouldn't you rather have at least a FD? I am not a fan of bluffing with no equity.
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    Hand 2 - Does the fact that its a super insta like half second after the flop is dealt overbet? I'd think he'd at least have to think about it if he actually had it?
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    Again, IDK, it's a weird move. Even if you're 100% convinced that he's bluffing, are you really trying to bluff-catch with J-high?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Again, IDK, it's a weird move. Even if you're 100% convinced that he's bluffing, are you really trying to bluff-catch with J-high?
    He's not bluff catching, he's raising and I like it if the read is really solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelion View Post
    Hand 2 - Does the fact that its a super insta like half second after the flop is dealt overbet? I'd think he'd at least have to think about it if he actually had it?
    This.

    Takes most people more than half a second to figure out the hand they flopped

    I still think his range is going to be very strong in this spot and he probably isn't folding any of it. I also don't think I like the raise w/ 7Js. His UTG opening range is still going to be pretty tight imo. So although when he does this he is polarised (as it's premeditated) his range is still probably more than strong enough to continue.
    Last edited by Savy; 08-25-2013 at 02:28 AM.
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    Hand 1 - I mean... do you even really need any reads at all to raise this hand? Combo draw, raise all day. I can see you asking a question if you had 89 or something

    Hand 2 - Meh I don't know. This is a massive overbet, I would just give it up.
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    hand 1 - yep, pretty standard
    hand 2 - nah, just fold
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    Hand 1 - I mean... do you even really need any reads at all to raise this hand?
    I'm asking about sizing. Stack size makes this pretty awkward. Raise to 12.50 and call a shove? Raise bigger? Just shove myself?
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    Hand 1 - sure $15 seems fine here. We'd rather just get it in on the flop if he's going to continue.
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