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Wooderson
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01-29-2007, 04:21 PM
Post subject: KK in hand, set vs. flush draw/2 pair on flop - your line?
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I'm very new to SHNL. I was playing in a live $1/$2 game last night. We were 4 handed at the time and I had the following hand. My appologies for the formatting. Low stack was about 60xBB, big stack was about 100xBB. Everyone is very laggy, calling 3xBB PFraises with 95o. I'm playing tight, unfortunately leaning to weak-tight.
I want to take this hand line by line, so what do you do after this flop?
Hero posts $1 SB (dealt to Hero: KsKc)
BB posts $2BB
UTG/CO calls $2
Button folds
Hero raises to $6
BB calls another $4
UTG folds
Flop ($14) AhKhJh
Hero bets $10
BB raises $55 to $65 and is all in
Hero?
I have him covered by about $10. So should I call his push here or fold? Why?
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Wooderson
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Anyone?
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I'd like to meet Jesus. Not because people claim he was the son of god, but because he could turn water into wine. A man like that is good to know, because you never know when you'll need a bottle of wine or an extra nail.
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apunisher
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Originally Posted by Wooderson
Anyone?
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raise more pf, 8-10. insta-call flop.
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Sprayed
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3xbb+1bb for each limper preflop. You have to call on the flop.
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zenbitz
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Yeah, easy call - you have 10 outs vs. anything but AA or flopped royal flush.
Just to extend this thread... what is the best hand you can fold here? certainly AQ no Qh is a fold. KJo I think is a fold as well. AK/JJ starts to push into borderline unless you are sure you would never run into a preflop trap with AA/KK/AK.
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Wooderson
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Originally Posted by Sprayed
3xbb+1bb for each limper preflop. You have to call on the flop.
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I did raise 3xBB. There were no limpers preflop unless you count the BB, which I didn't think we did.
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Originally Posted by apunisher
raise more pf, 8-10. insta-call flop.
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Why raise more than 3xBB?
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I'd like to meet Jesus. Not because people claim he was the son of god, but because he could turn water into wine. A man like that is good to know, because you never know when you'll need a bottle of wine or an extra nail.
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benny999
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I'd raise to more like 8-10 pre flop so you're more likely to be heads up on the flop (ie get bb or co to fold)
and ya flop is an insta call- worse hands will push on the flop and you have good chance to draw out vs better hands.
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Sprayed
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Originally Posted by Sprayed
3xbb+1bb for each limper preflop. You have to call on the flop.
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I did raise 3xBB. There were no limpers preflop unless you count the BB, which I didn't think we did. |
Didn't UTG limp?
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Wooderson
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3xbb+1bb for each limper preflop. You have to call on the flop.
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I did raise 3xBB. There were no limpers preflop unless you count the BB, which I didn't think we did. |
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Yeah, he did. I'm a tard. 
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I'd raise to more like 8-10 pre flop so you're more likely to be heads up on the flop (ie get bb or co to fold)
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Is this regardless of limpers in front? So assuming in this case the UTG folded rather than limped, would you make it 4xBB-5xBB or just the standard 3xBB since I'd already be heads up with the BB by default?
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I'd like to meet Jesus. Not because people claim he was the son of god, but because he could turn water into wine. A man like that is good to know, because you never know when you'll need a bottle of wine or an extra nail.
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jackvance
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Is this regardless of limpers in front? So assuming in this case the UTG folded rather than limped, would you make it 4xBB-5xBB or just the standard 3xBB since I'd already be heads up with the BB by default?
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Raise it as high as you know they'll still call with their trash is always my take. Like, if they'll call 8BB then raise that. Ofcourse if you normally never do this it'll stick out like a sore thumb and they'll fold. But if you can get away with it then it has many advantages:
- less people to the flop who can suck out on your strong hands
- even if they call, you priced them harder to suck out on you (assuming you're ahead preflop)
- it's easier to goad people into making mistakes, like bad calls or bad bluffs, on a bigger pot than on a smaller pot.
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Sprayed
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^^^There's your answer. If you have been raising 3x then stick with that if you are the opener. It is suggested that you should mix-up your raises but don't do it to the point where opponents can put you on a hand. For example, don't min raise always with Ax, pps, or scs and then 5x raise with QQ+. Especially in a cash game. In the beginning stages of most SNGs and MTTs you want to raise big with your monsters.
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benny999
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also, raise more when there's more limpers, since for example after 3 limps, a 3xbb raise from the sb is likely to be called by everybody with all sorts of hands, but a 5+bb raise probably by just one or two with more defined hands.
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Galapogos
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In loose live games I raise with to least $10 with no limpers. Sometimes $15, they're here to gamble.
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I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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IowaSkinsFan
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the UTG/CO limped it said.
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Wooderson
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the UTG/CO limped it said.
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Didn't UTG limp?
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Yeah, he did. I'm a tard.
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Yeah, he did. I'm a tard. |
QFT
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I'd like to meet Jesus. Not because people claim he was the son of god, but because he could turn water into wine. A man like that is good to know, because you never know when you'll need a bottle of wine or an extra nail.
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Originally Posted by Galapogos
In loose live games I raise with to least $10 with no limpers. Sometimes $15, they're here to gamble.
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I've never raised less than $10 live at my local $1/$2 game.
My $10 raise usually gets called by at least 3 people, and I am the tightest player at the table usually.
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