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Old 04-09-2010, 08:25 AM     Post subject: DB vs c/r #1 (permalink)  
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 I have a theoretical question - I hope it is good one for discussion:

You are on the blinds and standard reg (not much good, not much bad) opens on late position. Everyone folds and you calls. Pot is now HU and flop relatively missed your hand (you can have bottom pair in best case, but you can have overcards, SD, FD, one overcard + gut-shot, only gut shot - simply what do you want)

- and we know villain flop cbet is, for example around 70%



In which case (your cards+flop) do you prefer DB and in which case c/r??
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Old 04-13-2010, 06:28 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I already made a start with a response a while ago when you just posted this topic, but I stopped with it because I didn't really know where to start and because you leave so many variables open. (i.e. stack sizes and if villain flop cbet is 70% on all board textures or 70% overall)

Imo the most important considerations are:

1. villains cbetting frequency
If villain cbets too much, which almost anyone half decent does these days especially at our lower stakes, c/r is usually better because you're exploiting a mistake from villain. There's also the added dead money of villains cbet, so your net won is higher.

2. board texture
Very drawy boards are better to lead then dry ones, because you can just rep more 2pair and strong draws that can bet/3bet. Also, drawy boards are usually being checked behind by villains weak hands, so you often don't even have the chance to c/r vs the part of villains range that you have FE against. (ofcourse you can start betting turn+river then, but people like to call that down more often)
Another pro of drawy boards is that there are more scare cards that you can barrel, for when your flop lead is called.

On dry boards it's harder for you to rep anything and it's easier for villain to raise your lead because his perceived range is generally stronger then yours because he raised pre. Also if you're raised you're usually in a very tough spot OOP with <8 out draws (which usually is the case on dry boards) because you don't know how much FE you have (you might also get called light because as said you don't rep much) and you don't have that much pot equity.

3. stack to pot ratio
Some SPR's are better for c/r and others better for leading. We all have been in the situation where we c/r and are in a hopeless turn spot because stacks left don't fit the situation well. That usually was a good situation to lead the flop and vice versa.

4. hand strength
In some situations with big draws you don't want the flop to check behind and they're good enough to bet/3bet, so you lead them.
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Old 04-14-2010, 12:34 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 OK, thank you for that post. There are some nice points in it. I wrote answer for that (was fucking long and think about this thread about 2 hours), but I deleted it, because when I think about some hands and what is the best play - I ended everytime with question "what are villain tendecies??"

I think I leveled myself in this thread
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