3bet pot flop float

Villain 3bets probably 9-10% from this position vs me. Is aggressive and decent. No history though.

Anybody any thoughts on this?

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button ($277.59)
SB ($327.80)
BB ($272.40)
UTG ($128.55)
Hero (MP) ($200)
CO ($45.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $6, 2 folds, SB raises $19, 1 fold, Hero calls $14

Flop: ($42) 8, 4, 2 (2 players)
SB bets $28, Hero calls $28

I would never fold here.

Board: 4d 2s 8c
Dead:

equity
Hand 0: 30.587% { KdQd }
Hand 1: 69.413% { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }

Thats if his 10% range is balanced... same equity its if its polarized too

equity
Hand 0: 30.046% { KdQd }
Hand 1: 69.954% { TT+, 66-22, AQs+, KQs, J9s, T8s, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, 54s, AKo }


If you float to make him fold on the turn then what better hands are you folding?
AJ+, maybe 99-TT but he likely calls a turn bet with those. If he's polarized then your not folding much better at all.
Your call becomes more for pot odds then anything else. so if you hit a K or Q you gotta be ready to get it in which is not too appealing

Rugby, I think those ranges aren't very practical.
I would use something like: JJ+,AJs+,A3s-A2s,KQs,97s,86s+,75s+,64s+,54s,AJo+,KQo for 9,7%.

But that difference in ranges doesn't matter that much actually, what does is not going with bare pot equity here as all the Ax hands in villains range give him a ton of equity.

With the range above, villain has A high or K high well over 50%, so as long as he isn't super aggressive on non A/K/Q turns, we can take the pot away on the turn a large % of the time.

I'd raise the flop instead of call.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I'd raise the flop instead of call.

I prefer a call to a raise, IP.

OOP, I'm c/r this flop 95% of the time with this hand.

if your raise is flatted are you checking behind IP and c/f oop on non AKQ turns?

I think calling IP is fine tho you can raise, my leak here would be the turn since if i fold i feel like im burning money.

If you call, you're only doing so to make a king high bluff on the turn. Only card you can actually like (besides a diamond) is a queen, not a king based on the 3-bet preflop. You are taking a huge risk floating here. Anyone familiar with floating knows how to counteract it. You're going to get double barreled on the turn (or check-raised if it was me), and be forced to fold. Obviously you don't hold a premium hand based upon how you played pre-flop, and your opponent knows it. If he actually 3-bet with the goods (or even a weird speculative hand) you're dead meat. So give up your 19 and move on. Poker is not about winning pots, it's about winning money. This pot is over.

Originally Posted by tstrout

If you call, you're only doing so to make a king high bluff on the turn. Only card you can actually like (besides a diamond) is a queen, not a king based on the 3-bet preflop. You are taking a huge risk floating here. Anyone familiar with floating knows how to counteract it. You're going to get double barreled on the turn (or check-raised if it was me), and be forced to fold. Obviously you don't hold a premium hand based upon how you played pre-flop, and your opponent knows it. If he actually 3-bet with the goods (or even a weird speculative hand) you're dead meat. So give up your 19 and move on. Poker is not about winning pots, it's about winning money. This pot is over.

This.

Originally Posted by tstrout

If you call, you're only doing so to make a king high bluff on the turn. Only card you can actually like (besides a diamond) is a queen, not a king based on the 3-bet preflop. You are taking a huge risk floating here. Anyone familiar with floating knows how to counteract it. You're going to get double barreled on the turn (or check-raised if it was me), and be forced to fold. Obviously you don't hold a premium hand based upon how you played pre-flop, and your opponent knows it. If he actually 3-bet with the goods (or even a weird speculative hand) you're dead meat. So give up your 19 and move on. Poker is not about winning pots, it's about winning money. This pot is over.

Brutal post! I hope y'all are taking notes...

If we're raising the flop, what would be a good amount?

A king turn is a great card for us because villain will rep it and it's not a scare card for him vs our perceived range. We can happily shove any K/Q/diamond on the turn as well as potentially get him to make some big river folds when the board runs out ugly. I prefer calling to raising...just seems like it allows us to fold and lose less if he barrels the turn big on a bad card for us (Ace, board pairing card etc) and it also seems more credible to me. If I raise here I expect to induce shoves from stuff like suited rag aces and overpairs so i'm usually only doing it for value on this kind of board.

I default fold this pre... i thought that was the norm? 9% with a small sample means shit to me.

i think its an okay as long as there is history to call here pre. seems to me he 3bet hero 9-10% in blinds vs MP.

Originally Posted by Numbr2intheWorld

I default fold this pre... i thought that was the norm? 9% with a small sample means shit to me.

If you fold KQs what do you call with? Assume he's really 3betting 9%.

fold KQs pre wat?