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Numbr2intheWorld
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10-08-2007, 08:30 PM
Post subject: 200BB deep, TT, i look like a spewmonkey.
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Villain in this hand i have never seen before this session, but he's running 25/20 and seems solid over about 75 hands. I didn't see the hand where he doubled up. I've been 3-betting him a whole lot, he's only called one of them so far though and he folded to my flop cont bet. He definitely views me as an aggro monkey.
I felt like i couldn't fold TT here because his 4-betting range is going to have some crap in it, probably pretty polarized which is perfect for TT since i'll stack him if i set a good amount and it has good value otherwise.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (4 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($693.30)
SB ($207.40)
BB ($390.05)
UTG ($365.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with T , T .
UTG raises to $7, Hero raises to $25, 2 folds, UTG raises to $74, Hero calls $42.
Flop: ($144) 7 , 9, 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $80, Hero calls $80.
Turn: ($304) 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $546.3 (All-In)
I think AA and KK no brainer shove the turn, QQ probably would too. JJ probably would check, sometimes shove. So i'm pretty sure i'm winning by the turn... but do i shove the turn for thin value? Or do i check behind and if so what do i do on the river.
Also note to stars players, 200NL FullTilt guys seem more bluffy than 200NL stars players.
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bigspenda73
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I think the only value could be in getting JJ/QQ to fold as I don't see what worse hands will look you up here ever.
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Toadstool
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considering you think AA/KK would shove turn, then his line is the perfect way to play them against you.
I think that shoving here turns your hand into a bluff, I dont see what he could possibly call with that you beat that he didn't lead turn with.
He probably hasnt got a draw as I'm assuming he would bet the turn with it, so if he is behind he is drwaing to either 2 or 6 outs most likely so check and give him a chance to bluff you on the river if you think you are ahead.
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IowaSkinsFan
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protecting your hand is dumb when there's no value. Are you really afraid of his 13% equity? Of course check behind, and I'd probably c/f river too, unless he's rly dumb and aggro.
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sauce123
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could def be worse
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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benny999
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with u calling a 4bet, it seems kinda dumb to me for villain to c-bet air much, and to check any decent draw on the turn, but QQ+ makes sense. plus 13% equity isn't much if he's giving up with overs, even with a big pot.
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bigspenda73
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what is someone's typical 4bet calling range? I would generally think just KK/AA.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
what is someone's typical 4bet calling range? I would generally think just KK/AA.
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Normally people just shove AA/KK/AK. It's more like a bunch of weak hands like QQ/JJ/TT/AQ
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sauce123
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oh yea- wtf is with cold calling a 4bet oop with TT?!?
somehow i missed this the first time around
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Numbr2intheWorld
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I'm not oop.
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sauce123
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Massimo
I'm not oop.
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zzzzzz details
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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griffey24
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I'm just curious as to why you called PF. More specifically, what are you planning on doing on flops with a Q,K or A on them?
I'd imagine you called PF since you put him on overs, so you're folding to a continuation bet on a board with high cards?
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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silu73
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Check turn and I might even find a call to any bet if not an A or K is falling on the river. Your push is turning a great hand into a bluff.
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Miffed22001
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opp has put 150 of his 350 stack in/ hes not folding here surely unless he has only AK and then he would of pushed turn to get you to fold TT-QQ part of your range?
It seems clear from preflop you dont have AA/kk...
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Why does everyone think his 4-betting range is flat?
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Thee One
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What is he folding here, AK/AQ type of hands? You've three-bet him a lot, he's only called once...well twice if you include this 4-bet...he's obviously not 4-betting light. I think he was trying to C/R the turn and will insta-call your push. Why? Because if you have AA/KK you're not gonna call the 4-bet pre, call the flop bet and push the turn to a check...you want value and you don't need to push to create it...he's pretty much gonna call you down for reasonable sized bets hoping to hit AK if that's what he has. If he has AA/KK, you're screwed. QQ/JJ might think about it but it smells like a bluff so they call out of curiosity.
What could he have? AK is an auto c-bet on this flop, and so is your call. AA-QQ check the turn to induce a bet, which again is almost auto if you put him on AK/AQ. JJ leads out again to protect their hand...too many overs to worry about. Everything else is NOT in his range. You may fold JJ/AK/AQ but that's about it. AA-QQ are definately calling and AK/AQ is behind so you want him in.
You're line just doesn't make sense so you make it hard for him to lay down a semi-decent hand in this spot. Raise the flop, push the turn and he may fold QQ/JJ here more often, but I just don't feel AA/KK or set from your line.
I'm busto though so what do I know. 
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