Late stages of MTT, QQ

Guys, I really didn't know about this fold, I need some feedback. I'm not really a MTT guy but I play every now and then. Hows this fold? I have no read.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1500 (8 handed) converter

Button (t44043)
Hero (t17549)
BB (t17938)
UTG (t15470)
UTG+1 (t21550)
MP1 (t26972)
MP2 (t37406)
CO (t38322)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
UTG calls t1500, UTG+1 raises to t3000, 3 folds, Button raises to t10800, 2 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t7800.

Flop: (t25350) , , (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Button bets t12600, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: t37950

Results in white below:
No showdown. Button wins t37950.

A raise then a re-raise, with no read I have to say you are looking at a coinflip at best, possibly worse. I think the fold was smart, you aren't short stacked and going into that pot would commit you. Live to fight another day...

- sed

All in. No question

looking at your stack size and the blinds. You gotta push it all in here

I wasn't sure. I didn't have a read but I really feared AA or KK here. It just seemed like he had it. Maybe I should have pushed. I ended up taking 16th of 1412 players, which I was a little disappointed with because it only paid $220. This was the $20 freeze on party last night.

were you already ITM? How far from the final table? if you've made the money then the goal has to be to get to the final table with a big enough stack to have a chance at a top 3 place. Looking at your stack size, I'm guessing that wasn't the case - so go AI. Got to take chances somewhere! If you think that even after folding you could make it to the final table and be well placed, then folding here may be an option.

Trying to get a read here...You have the big stack on the button reraising a smaller stack who played the hand horribly, IMO. If the big stack is a good, observant player, there are lots of hands he might make this play with, including several hands that you dominate.

I can't imagine what hand UTG+1 would min-raise, call a reraise for nearly half his remaining stack, and fold to that flop. Tens maybe (which would be terrible since he's unlikely to hit a set and very likely to see overcards)? AQ (which I doubt because you're holding two queens)? It's indicative that he's easy to push off a hand or raising with crap, both of which are good reasons for button to make a play.

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Seeing this, I'd push preflop. OTOH if button hasn't played a hand in the last two orbits, I'd strongly consider folding.
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I guess it depends on if you think the button is making a play on the short stack's weak raise or if he has a legitimate big hand. Then again, you aren't likely to get a better hand before the blinds rise and you get shortstacked.

Without a read, I tend to give players the benefit of the doubt. Against a single raise, I push all day. But without any knowledge of the button's play I get worried of a big hand. Maybe late in a tourney without a read, I need to just play the cards more and push em in regardless when I catch a good hand.

My thinking is that if the blinds are going up soon and there are less than 30 people in the tourney, then there is more incentive to put all your money on the queens to build a final table stack. If the blinds just went up and you just moved to this table with 50+ left in the tourney then you can afford to wait and get a read.

- sed

i'd push pre-flop.
he's the bigstack at the table, you min raised. maybe he thinks he smells
weakness here and tries to push you off. he made a pretty big reraise there
with aces or kings he probably won't reraise that much.
by calling, you didn't show strengh. normally i push here.

your post-flop play was horrible. you can't check-fold queens here
unless you have a very solid read on your opponent.

how would you play that post flop? with the pot beuing 20,000... to make a decent bet woudl be going all in..

re-read the hand guys...

QQ?
Push. 3 hands that beat you - AA KK AK. Push.

2 hands that beat you AA, KK. Push.

fold, you are at this point a tossup at best. all 3 people in the hand would scare me at this point. lots of times UTG will limp late with KK or AA, which he didn't happen to have this time since he folded after you, but since you acted before him you still have to keep that in your mind. UTG+1 raises early position after a limper, he probably has a strong hand. button makes a huge raise with a limper and a raiser in front of him, this smells like AA or KK to me, although AK(tossup vs your QQ) is still a possibility. you still have slightly over 10x the big blind so you can't be desperate for a push yet, there will be plenty of time to find a better situation where you have someone dominated. i think it was the right fold in this situation, however if the blinds were larger compared to your stack this might be your best opportunity and you might have to hope you'll be in a tossup vs AK

with all that money out there and your stack you have to be OK with a flip here, you're getting much better odds than you need. So really the only question is AA KK? Unless I have a super tight read I'm moving in all day long here. The early action was just too weird. I'd be more worried about UTG +1 having AA.

' 16th of 1412' 'it only paid $220' this would be another good reason to push, you're not looking to to cash in these things. I mean, you probably played for 6 hours or so and you made the same amount you'd have made winning a 30 dollar two table tourney. And my guess would be the rest of the time you sat there you never saw a hand as good as the QQ you kicked in here with a chance to triple up.

It does seem like the big stack has aa/ak. but you just gotta shoot the shit and take a chance, push.

Seems like the overwhelming majority say to push. I didn't have a read but it just felt like AA or KK to me. I guess you have to gamble at times if you want those big payouts. A push could have tripled me up and been the difference between 16th and a final table finish (w/ 6k for first).