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Jason
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04-13-2010, 03:34 PM
Post subject: New Stars Tables
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What does everyone think about the new changes upcoming on Stars? I believe they've announced either today or tomorrow they will have 3 table choices:
20-50 bb, with default buy-in of 40bb
40-100 bb, with default buy-in of 80bb
100-250 bb, with default buy-in of 200bb and ante equal to 20% of the Big Blind
The tables will be labeled by their buy-in amounts thus trying to eliminate a default option.
My first impression is that this is a good change since the 20bb-100bb is so exploitable and frustrating having shortstackers and ratholers while the 50bb-100bb were so nitty and void of fish by comparison.
They also increased the rathole time from 30 minutes to 60 minutes. I think that's GREAT although I would prefer it be 24 hours just like they were @ a real casino.
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It has begun.
Fingers crossed the poker players will triumph over the pro ratholers and the 20-50bb tables will die a quick death.
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I dunno, I think the overlap is retarded. If it were 20-35 for the douchebag tables then I'd be thrilled but I really don't like the idea of 20-50 then 40-100.
I think this is certainly a step in the right direction though. We'll just have to see how it works out. The deep tables addition is pretty sweet, so let's work on starting the regular + tables and NO FUCKING BUM HUNTING THE 20-50 TABLES
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Jason
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I'm intrigued by the deep tables. As much as I don't like shortstacking ratholers, 24 tabling reg nits don't exactly earn my affection either. Although I don't have any experience with antes and only little experience playing deep, I would suspect that it's much more difficult to multi-table deep ante tables because there is more to fight for and if you're deep, there's more of a penalty for making a mistake and auto-piloting.
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anybody elses HUD not working anymore?
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Quote:
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anybody elses HUD not working anymore?
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HEM has an update but forums were down a couple hours ago.
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everyone's HEM was down this morning from what I read on IRC
not sure bout the 20-50 tables.. I get the point but is it really going to keep the
$5 all-in players off the $25nl tables? I played at a $12.50 table and it seemed like
it was an all-in war...
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anything that keeps 20bb stacks from playing on the same tables as me is an improvement in my opinion. plus deep stacks could be great, probably more so for 100NL+ than say 25nl, due to the attractiveness to rich recreational weekend players.
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Jason
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After the first day, it's a bit of a good news, bad news story for me. The good news is that the games DID seem very good and NO shortstackers. The bad news is that there seemed like there were less games available or at least less of what I wanted. I was sitting by myself on a regular and fast table for a LONG time waiting for players whereas before this I wouldn't have to wait as long. Fortunately, I don't 24 table, so I can still get enough tables of what I need, especially across two stakes, but I suspect this will hurt many of the massive multiplayers.
I also thought the lobby was REALLY cluttered and doesn't look very clean with the all the numbers. I just wish they would have had two tables - 20bb to 40bb labeled SHALLOW and 40bb to 100bb NOT labeled at all. It would be clean, it would fix the shortstacking problem while STILL allowing players to shortstack, and it wouldn't segment the poker community any more than we already have. I guess we'll just have to wait and see where we go from here.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason
After the first day, it's a bit of a good news, bad news story for me. The good news is that the games DID seem very good and NO shortstackers. The bad news is that there seemed like there were less games available or at least less of what I wanted. I was sitting by myself on a regular and fast table for a LONG time waiting for players whereas before this I wouldn't have to wait as long. Fortunately, I don't 24 table, so I can still get enough tables of what I need, especially across two stakes, but I suspect this will hurt many of the massive multiplayers.
I also thought the lobby was REALLY cluttered and doesn't look very clean with the all the numbers. I just wish they would have had two tables - 20bb to 40bb labeled SHALLOW and 40bb to 100bb NOT labeled at all. It would be clean, it would fix the shortstacking problem while STILL allowing players to shortstack, and it wouldn't segment the poker community any more than we already have. I guess we'll just have to wait and see where we go from here.
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^^ THIS... i had a hard time getting tables i wanted to.. i don't read the table names much and try to join high number tables with lots of fish so I just search by value. It seemed kindof messy right now the way they have it set up. I think your suggestion would help alot
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I'm semi motivated to return to poker simply for the idea of short stacking and ratholing. The tilt I would cause intrigues me...
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Hmm, so if the 100-250bb tables won't have 24 tabling robotic players (at least long-term since they would have to fight harder for the blinds and they obviously won't have short stackers, you'd be seriously upgrading the quality of opponent that you'd be facing. Are there going to be enough fish that sign up for those you think?
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I think you will see much better players at the 100-250bb tables and this will be more of a spot for serious games. At the 20-50 tables are going to be alot of fish and this will probably be the most profitable tables. It could be me though but I don't like these tables at all. Like I said, I found they were literally an all-in war. If you 3bet at this table be prepaird to be 4bet shoved on almost every time. You really can not play a solid game here. Atleast the 4-6 tables I played yesterday were all that way. They do move very very fast though.
40-100 seems perfect. You get a touch of fish and can really play here. I prefer these tables now overall. I just hope the $5allins Will stay off these tables all together instead of adjusting to buying in for $10 and still going all-in when they get their magic hands.
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Over @ 2p2, many players feel like the sky is falling if you're a full ring player who doesn't shortstack. As I said before, for players who massive multi-table, I think there could be some drawbacks for deeper tables due to the antes and there may not be as many tables of 40bb-100bb. However, I am hopeful long term that 40bb-100bb will be much better and the standard game for all stakes. Maybe I'm living in a fantasy world, but I just don't see why anyone, except shortstackers, would like those shallow tables. Any traffic those tables have I hope is only temporary until players figure out how awful and how much of a joke they are to anyone besides push/fold shortstackers. I play @ casinos, I play @ home games, I play online, and I believe I have common sense. Most people, I think, don't like shoving/folding all-in pre-flop.
I guess time will tell. I still wish they would do or will do the changes I mentioned before. At the very least, if they changed the 50bb max to 400bb and then removed the label for 40bb to 100bb so it becomes the default option and change the other two to "shallow" and "deep". I mean, it just seems like PokerStars is catering too much to shortstackers. I understand not eliminating them, but the 50bb tables couldn't be the default, 20bb shortstack friendly tables were the default. Now under the new system, they get overlap with the "normal" tables AND the "normal" tables aren't labeled as such. Wtf?!
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If it's anything like FT, the shallow stack tables will die very fast. Unfortunately the 35bb min buy-in has killed the deep tables. There are only a handful even at rush hours. There used to be more when it was the only way to get away from shortstackers.
I keep opening deep ante tables, and mid session there are usually 3 or 4 games running. I really hope deep tables is where it's going. I wouldn't mind 500bb max tables. I might put some on stars just to play some of the 250bb games.
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