I almost died today. Twice

[ItDepends]

First off, some things you need to know: I am on meds that can fuck with my heart rate. I have sever panic attacks in some situations, and as I learned today, I have OCD issues with uncertain events - specifically death.

I have a appointment at 1PM to get a protection package put on my car.

12:30: Fuck, I woke up late. I'm going to be at least 45 minutes late for my car service

1:30: Car company calls me bitching about being late...

1:45: Get car in for service. I still haven't eaten anything all day.

3:45: Just start watching Bounce. I get called away right after Affleck is
saved by dumb luck.

4:00: Company finishes putting protection package on my car. Did not give it enough time to 'dry' before giving it back to me.

4:15: I grab a nice 16oz Rockstar energy drink at gas station.

4:30: Car fumes are making me delirious and super dizzy. Yay for a new type of high. (I still don't know why I'm going crazy)

4:40: I almost pass out and pull over. I call Dad in a panic state. I am still on the highway.

4:45: Ambulance is called.

4:50: I proclaim I'm going to die and tell Dad not to take me off life support early.

4:55: Truck pulling trailer blows tire and flys off the road not 100 yards ahead of me.

5??: Ambulance arrives, they are not sure what's wrong

5:20: At hospital, they take me in on stretcher.

5:25: I am getting even higher every minute. I am still dieing.

5:30: Nurse doesn't give me a room, tells me to go calm down in waiting room...

6:00: They register me and take blood.

6-10: Random tests. All come back fine.

10:30: Doctor gives me perscription for Xanax

[midas06]

[vqc]

wow thats a crappy day

[Greedo017]

i'm sorry to hear that, i hope you can learn to manage your stress.

my mom has problems exactly like this. there is some stuff making it worse now, but i know its not easy to deal with.

[Irisheyes]

wow that sucks.

And you play 25/50!!? Is it just that poker stress doesn't trigger a reaction in you?

[Miffed22001]

First off, some things you need to know: I am on meds that can fuck with my heart rate. I have sever panic attacks in some situations, and as I learned today, I have OCD issues with uncertain events - specifically death.

I have a appointment at 1PM to get a protection package put on my car.

12:30: Fuck, I woke up late. I'm going to be at least 45 minutes late for my car service

1:30: Car company calls me bitching about being late...

1:45: Get car in for service. I still haven't eaten anything all day.

3:45: Just start watching Bounce. I get called away right after Affleck is
saved by dumb luck.

4:00: Company finishes putting protection package on my car. Did not give it enough time to 'dry' before giving it back to me.

4:15: I grab a nice 16oz Rockstar energy drink at gas station.

4:30: Car fumes are making me delirious and super dizzy. Yay for a new type of high. (I still don't know why I'm going crazy)

4:40: I almost pass out and pull over. I call Dad in a panic state. I am still on the highway.

4:45: Ambulance is called.

4:50: I proclaim I'm going to die and tell Dad not to take me off life support early.

4:55: Truck pulling trailer blows tire and flys off the road not 100 yards ahead of me.

5??: Ambulance arrives, they are not sure what's wrong

5:20: At hospital, they take me in on stretcher.

5:25: I am getting even higher every minute. I am still dieing.

5:30: Nurse doesn't give me a room, tells me to go calm down in waiting room...

6:00: They register me and take blood.

6-10: Random tests. All come back fine.

10:30: Doctor gives me perscription for Xanax

plz put me in your will.

[Irisheyes]

Ever see Final Destination?

[Fimanoid]

none of my business of course, but how in the world can you play poker with these conditions?

[LimpinAintEZ]

stay away from Rockstar/RedBull etc - Those things just raise heart rates....if you are already pre-disposed, those energy drinks are going to be bad for you...

[Stripclubjunkie]

that sucks, feeling for you

[Rondavu]

Boo

[bluey]

4:50: I proclaim I'm going to die and tell Dad not to take me off life support early.

this made me laugh a lot because it is something i would do. glad youre ok.



oh and what type of "protection" package did they put on your car? i invisioned an alarm system but they usually arent wet.

[ItDepends]

4:50: I proclaim I'm going to die and tell Dad not to take me off life support early.

this made me laugh a lot because it is something i would do. glad youre ok.



oh and what type of "protection" package did they put on your car? i invisioned an alarm system but they usually arent wet.

Inside the car they did put something on to protect the color and prevent stains.

[Rondavu]

Inside the car they did put something on to protect the color and prevent stains.

Oh, the old "undercoating" scam.

[ItDepends]

none of my business of course, but how in the world can you play poker with these conditions?

apparently my ocd isn't triggered by poker. It has more to do with events that could kill me. I don't really fully understand it.

I'm not 'stressed' in the typical way you all are thinking. That isn't how it works. The whole story isn't really a big deal but I do feel glad to be home today.

[ItDepends]

stay away from Rockstar/RedBull etc - Those things just raise heart rates....if you are already pre-disposed, those energy drinks are going to be bad for you...

Please never post in my threads again. You are by far the most retarded poster in FTR history. You make Rippy look like Phil Ivey.

ban please

Edit: Advertising owns you so much it's disgusting. Do you even know what's in Rockstar or Red Bull? They are an extremely poor excuse for an 'energy drink'. The stuff they put in it had almost zero affect on you, outside the caffeine. Most americans are used to lots of caffeine, so it would take multiple cans of either for it to really affect your heart in a great way. Your post would read the same to an intelligent person if you replaced red bull with coca-cola, because they both are sugar, water, and caffeine. Can you see how dumb it sounds to me, because I know this?

[ItDepends]

Inside the car they did put something on to protect the color and prevent stains.

Oh, the old "undercoating" scam.

Yea, I wouldn't have accepted it if I knew it would cost me a big ER bill.

[theDEEPdish]

Inside the car they did put something on to protect the color and prevent stains.

Oh, the old "undercoating" scam.

Yea, I wouldn't have accepted it if I knew it would cost me a big ER bill.

jokes on them because you come 3 hours

[boost]

crazy shit man. My girlfreind has these problems sometimes. It can be really hard to deal with because she becomes complete illrational. When it gets triggered she just spazzes out.

[thenonsequitur]

Advertising owns you so much it's disgusting. Do you even know what's in Rockstar or Red Bull? They are an extremely poor excuse for an 'energy drink'. The stuff they put in it had almost zero affect on you, outside the caffeine. Most americans are used to lots of caffeine, so it would take multiple cans of either for it to really affect your heart in a great way. Your post would read the same to an intelligent person if you replaced red bull with coca-cola, because they both are sugar, water, and caffeine. Can you see how dumb it sounds to me, because I know this?

Are you joking, or am I missing sarcasm? If you seriously believe energy drinks have no effect on your heart you are the retarded one and deserve to die of heart failure when those energy drinks catch up to you.

http://www.bandddesigns.com/energy/arch/002117.html

Yes, it's true that most of these other additives are amino acids and antoxidants, but there are sometimes a few other CNS stimulants. And there is rising evidence that some of the amino acids which affect metabolism and heart function may be bad for your heart in large quantities, and aid in creating panic attacks.

It's true that caffeine is the primary offender, but even if you are "used to it", it's a big mistake to pretend it puts no stress on your heart.

stay away from Rockstar/RedBull etc - Those things just raise heart rates....if you are already pre-disposed, those energy drinks are going to be bad for you...

Please never post in my threads again. You are by far the most retarded poster in FTR history. You make Rippy look like Phil Ivey.

ban please

Even if you were correct, there's no reason to be such an asshole to someone that was just trying to help you out.

[biondino]

ItDepends = Red Bull street team

[Irisheyes]

stay away from Rockstar/RedBull etc - Those things just raise heart rates....if you are already pre-disposed, those energy drinks are going to be bad for you...

Please never post in my threads again. You are by far the most retarded poster in FTR history. You make Rippy look like Phil Ivey.

ban please

I could never understand why you were banned the first time around. I get it now. There is no need to speak to anyone like this.

[flomo]

stay safe ItDepends and don't die anytime soon

[givememyleg]

Redbull is gross anyway.

[a500lbgorilla]

Redbull is gross anyway.

but it turns jager into liquid candy!

[TerryToma]

apparently my ocd isn't triggered by poker. It has more to do with events that could kill me. I don't really fully understand it.

I'm not 'stressed' in the typical way you all are thinking. That isn't how it works. The whole story isn't really a big deal but I do feel glad to be home today.

I'm glad you are OK.

I hope you have a doctor you see regularly. If you arent already on it, a daily SSRI (zoloft one of the best for OCD) may be a good option, along with a benzo (Xanax) as needed.

.toma

[theDEEPdish]

Redbull is gross anyway.

but it turns jager into liquid candy!

FTW

[bode]

Redbull is gross anyway.

but it turns jager into liquid candy!

jager is liquid candy as it is. but red bull does spruce it up a bit.

[ItDepends]

Advertising owns you so much it's disgusting. Do you even know what's in Rockstar or Red Bull? They are an extremely poor excuse for an 'energy drink'. The stuff they put in it had almost zero affect on you, outside the caffeine. Most americans are used to lots of caffeine, so it would take multiple cans of either for it to really affect your heart in a great way. Your post would read the same to an intelligent person if you replaced red bull with coca-cola, because they both are sugar, water, and caffeine. Can you see how dumb it sounds to me, because I know this?

Are you joking, or am I missing sarcasm? If you seriously believe energy drinks have no effect on your heart you are the retarded one and deserve to die of heart failure when those energy drinks catch up to you.

http://www.bandddesigns.com/energy/arch/002117.html

Yes, it's true that most of these other additives are amino acids and antoxidants, but there are sometimes a few other CNS stimulants. And there is rising evidence that some of the amino acids which affect metabolism and heart function may be bad for your heart in large quantities, and aid in creating panic attacks.

It's true that caffeine is the primary offender, but even if you are "used to it", it's a big mistake to pretend it puts no stress on your heart.

stay away from Rockstar/RedBull etc - Those things just raise heart rates....if you are already pre-disposed, those energy drinks are going to be bad for you...

Please never post in my threads again. You are by far the most retarded poster in FTR history. You make Rippy look like Phil Ivey.

ban please

Even if you were correct, there's no reason to be such an asshole to someone that was just trying to help you out.

Are you serious? Do you know which amino acids are in these drinks? Do you have any idea what is a large ammount of these are? Please Please PLEASE don't speak on this subject unless you know what you are talking about.

[ItDepends]

stay away from Rockstar/RedBull etc - Those things just raise heart rates....if you are already pre-disposed, those energy drinks are going to be bad for you...

Please never post in my threads again. You are by far the most retarded poster in FTR history. You make Rippy look like Phil Ivey.

ban please

I could never understand why you were banned the first time around. I get it now. There is no need to speak to anyone like this.

I probably was to harsh there, but I HATE HATE HATE stupid people. I'm not talking about people born with a mental handy cap here, i'm talking about people who are born with a gift and just shit on it.

[Lukie]

I have no comment on energy drinks, but doggz, make sure you keep up with your smithy upgrades, raiding, and army building in tribal wars. 'tis very important.

[ItDepends]

And there is rising evidence that some of the amino acids which affect metabolism and heart function may be bad for your heart in large quantities.

I beg you to back this up, please.

[givememyleg]

Never seen people get so excited about energy drinks.

[Warpe]

Never seen people get so excited on energy drinks.

fyp

[ItDepends]

Never seen people get so excited about energy drinks.

It's like if he just told me veggies kill people, avoid spinich... It's just so ridiculous.

[spoonitnow]

Wtf don't OD on amino acids you stupid fucker

[Xianti]

apparently my ocd isn't triggered by poker. It has more to do with events that could kill me.

Nothing in that chain of events suggested that anything might kill you.

You need to calm down.

[Xianti]

stay away from Rockstar/RedBull etc - Those things just raise heart rates....if you are already pre-disposed, those energy drinks are going to be bad for you...

Please never post in my threads again. You are by far the most retarded poster in FTR history. You make Rippy look like Phil Ivey.
ban please

Even if you were correct, there's no reason to be such an asshole to someone that was just trying to help you out.

Yeah. WTF, ItDepends???


You were already on watch when you came back. This just proves you haven't changed with your hot-headed attitude.

Goodbye, doggz.

[thenonsequitur]

And there is rising evidence that some of the amino acids which affect metabolism and heart function may be bad for your heart in large quantities.

I beg you to back this up, please.

I'm not just making this shit up. Here's an article talking about the potential regulation of amino acids because they might be harmful:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...10/ai_12934050

If you search the web you'll find other resources. I can't find the specifical article that I read a couple months ago that talked about amino acids tht were used for metabolic regulation and how they could cause problems with heart function.

As I said, there is rising evidence that amino acids supplements can be harmful. True, there isn't a lot of research done on them, and more needs to be done to be conclusive.

In any case, my main points were 1) caffeine affects the heart, potentially in a negative way, there is no dispute about that; 2) some energy drinks contain other stimulants, I know nothing about rockstar though; and 3) amino acids can be potentially problematic.

[Miffed22001]

wtf

this thread got outta control real fast. I think some people sould just calm down or something.

[Miffed22001]

stay away from Rockstar/RedBull etc - Those things just raise heart rates....if you are already pre-disposed, those energy drinks are going to be bad for you...

Please never post in my threads again. You are by far the most retarded poster in FTR history. You make Rippy look like Phil Ivey.
ban please

Even if you were correct, there's no reason to be such an asshole to someone that was just trying to help you out.

Yeah. WTF, ItDepends???


You were already on watch when you came back. This just proves you haven't changed with your hot-headed attitude.

Goodbye, doggz.

ugh. I dont want to look like im getting involved here, but this seems a bit harsh to me for a hotheaded outburst that was for sure out of order, but not anything more than that.
Im not arguing btw, just expressing an opinion.

[givememyleg]

hmm.....

[Xianti]

ugh. I dont want to look like im getting involved here, but this seems a bit harsh to me for a hotheaded outburst that was for sure out of order, but not anything more than that.
Im not arguing btw, just expressing an opinion.

ItDepends = DoGGz (previously banned)

You knew this, right? Second chances come with zero tolerance.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

And there is rising evidence that some of the amino acids which affect metabolism and heart function may be bad for your heart in large quantities.

I beg you to back this up, please.

I'm not just making this shit up. Here's an article talking about the potential regulation of amino acids because they might be harmful:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...10/ai_12934050

If you search the web you'll find other resources. I can't find the specifical article that I read a couple months ago that talked about amino acids tht were used for metabolic regulation and how they could cause problems with heart function.

As I said, there is rising evidence that amino acids supplements can be harmful. True, there isn't a lot of research done on them, and more needs to be done to be conclusive.

In any case, my main points were 1) caffeine affects the heart, potentially in a negative way, there is no dispute about that; 2) some energy drinks contain other stimulants, I know nothing about rockstar though; and 3) amino acids can be potentially problematic.

1) That's a rediculous argument. Any substance can potentially problematic. Let's ban water because drinking too much can be fatal. I am admittedly not well read on the subject, but I am unaware of any findings that suggest caffeine consumption negatively affects the heart. I know there is evidence that caffeine consumption is associated with increases in several cardiovascular disease risk factors, such as blood pressure, but that is not what you're saying.

2) That article sucks. Their claims were defended primarily by anecdotal evidence and not supported by any type of credible research.

3) I question your understanding of amino acids and the role they play in human nutrition. If you're afraid of amino acids then I suggest that you radically change your diet and start by elminating any food that contains protein.

[Warpe]

I am unaware of any findings that suggest caffeine consumption negatively affects the heart.

When it's in your system, too much caffeine can effect your heartbeat. I found this out one day when I'd been pounding back more than the usual amount of coffee on a deadline. I ended up in an emergency room because my heart was skipping beats and I thought I was having a heart attack.

Doctor takes my pulse and asks, "Did you drink a lot of coffee today? Under a lot of stress?".
"Um. Yeah and yeah."
"Drink less and try to relax a bit. You're fine."

I sure didn't feel fine. When your heart skips a beat it is a very weird feeling. I was fine the next day. I cut my coffee consumption by about two thirds though.

[spoonitnow]

Porn affects my heartbeat

What's the fuckin point of this thread anyway now that Doggz got banned for something gay

[zook]

In any case, my main points were 1) caffeine affects the heart, potentially in a negative way, there is no dispute about that; 2) some energy drinks contain other stimulants, I know nothing about rockstar though; and 3) amino acids can be potentially problematic.

I'll argue for ItDepends, since he can't and I'm sure he wouldn't want you to have the last word

1) Caffeine has mild effects on blood pressure and heart rate in nonhabitual users. In habitual users it has little to no effect. There has been no clear link made between caffeine and heart disease, in fact recent studies suggest that drinking coffee may be good for your cardiovascular health (among other things). For comparison, there's about as much caffeine in a 16oz Rockstar as there is in an 8oz cup of drip coffee.

2) The only other stimulant Rockstar contains is sugar. Like Red Bull, it also contains taurine, but that's not a stimulant and nobody knows what the hell it does. The energy drink makers claim that it "enhances cognition" because it's found naturally in high concentrations in the brain, but scientific studies have only shown is that it might lower blood pressure.

3) Amino acids are what we're made of, and ingesting some of them is essential for your health. You can probably overdose on them, but you would have to ingest massive quantities of concentrated supplements. Rockstar contains two amino acid derivatives taurine and L-carnitine. L-carnitine is thought to be good for you, but there's not that much of it in Rockstar.

Hope this helps, I wasted a good half-hour researching it The best news for us alcoholic coffee drinkers is this:

Other research shows that compared to not drinking coffee, at least two cups daily can translate to a 25% reduced risk of colon cancer, an 80% drop in liver cirrhosis risk, and nearly half the risk of gallstones.

From: http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/80/96454.htm

[thenonsequitur]

1) Caffeine has mild effects on blood pressure and heart rate in nonhabitual users. In habitual users it has little to no effect. There has been no clear link made between caffeine and heart disease, in fact recent studies suggest that drinking coffee may be good for your cardiovascular health (among other things). For comparison, there's about as much caffeine in a 16oz Rockstar as there is in an 8oz cup of drip coffee.

Whatever you say. But I too ended up in the emergency room on a caffeine overdose though (from just 200 milligrams, and combined with whatever else in an energy drink).

2) The only other stimulant Rockstar contains is sugar. Like Red Bull, it also contains taurine, but that's not a stimulant and nobody knows what the hell it does. The energy drink makers claim that it "enhances cognition" because it's found naturally in high concentrations in the brain, but scientific studies have only shown is that it might lower blood pressure.

I wasn't talking about rockstar in particular. I said I don't know about rockstar. I was talking about energy drinks as a general class.

3) Amino acids are what we're made of, and ingesting some of them is essential for your health. You can probably overdose on them, but you would have to ingest massive quantities of concentrated supplements. Rockstar contains two amino acid derivatives taurine and L-carnitine. L-carnitine is thought to be good for you, but there's not that much of it in Rockstar.

I'm fully aware of what amino acids are. My point about amino acids, I will say again, is that (as large amounts in supplements, not smaller amounts in food) that they may cause problems with heart function. There isn't enough research on them to be conclusive.

But this whole argument about amino acids was a tangent. I agree that it's very possible that the amount of amino acids in energy drinks is completely harmless. Again, my main point was about the caffeine content.

[thenonsequitur]

BTW, I am definitely admitting that I too have only done like an hour or two of research on this, and also talking from personal and anecdotal evidence, not a lot of scientific evidence, so yeah, what I am saying could easily be wrong. But google searches seem to support my position.

[Miffed22001]

ugh. I dont want to look like im getting involved here, but this seems a bit harsh to me for a hotheaded outburst that was for sure out of order, but not anything more than that.
Im not arguing btw, just expressing an opinion.

ItDepends = DoGGz (previously banned)

You knew this, right? Second chances come with zero tolerance.

Yeah i knew this. I dont really wana argue with your decision. It just seems someone said this and someone said that and we all got a bit hot and nasty without thinking.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Rockstar contains two amino acid derivatives taurine and L-carnitine. L-carnitine is thought to be good for you, but there's not that much of it in Rockstar.

The fact that they're derivatives is inconsequential. Your body naturally produces derivatives including taurine and l-carnitine and others such as dopamine, citrulline, ornithine, and more that I can't think of at the moment.

[Xianti]

It just seems someone said this and someone said that and we all got a bit hot and nasty without thinking.

"We all...?" Read the thread again, Miffed. ItDepends's outburst was the only one that contained a personal attack.

And he was already on thin ice as soon as he came back from the grave.

[zook]

Whatever you say. But I too ended up in the emergency room on a caffeine overdose though (from just 200 milligrams, and combined with whatever else in an energy drink).

I'm know that it's possible to overdose on caffeine. I'm just saying it's incredibly unlikely to happen from just drinking one Rockstar, or one Red Bull, or one cup of strong coffee. And nearly impossible if you use caffeine regularly. The guy also sat in a car full of detailing chemicals and has some kind of ocd... I'd blame both of these for his "panic attack" before an energy drink.

This is a great alternative to Google for finding scientific articles: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed

If you aren't at a university, you won't be able to access the full-text articles, but at least you'll be able to read the abstracts. Here's an interesting review on caffeine and cardiovascular health:

Cardiovascular effects of coffee: is it a risk factor? Prog Cardiovasc Nurs. 2005 Spring;20(2):65-9. Sudano I, Binggeli C, Spieker L, Luscher TF, Ruschitzka F, Noll G, Corti R. Department of Internal Medicine, Cardiology Unit, University Hospital Zurich, Zurich, Switzerland.

Intake of coffee, one of the most common beverages worldwide, is often reported as a cardiovascular risk factor; however, definitive data are lacking. Acute intake of coffee or beverages containing caffeine can increase blood pressure, heart minute volumes, and cardiac index, as well as activate the sympathetic nervous system in nonhabitual coffee drinkers. Interestingly, this is not observed in habitual coffee drinkers. Restriction of coffee or caffeinated beverages is no longer indicated in the seventh report of the Joint National Committee on Prevention, Detection, Evaluation, and Treatment of High Blood Pressure (JNC 7) guidelines for the treatment of hypertension. In fact, no clear association between coffee and the risk of hypertension, myocardial infarction, or other cardiovascular diseases has been demonstrated. In contrast to early studies, recent research indicates that habitual moderate coffee intake does not represent a health hazard and may even be associated with beneficial effects on cardiovascular health.

And here's a study that shows a combination of caffeine and taurine (in the same quantities as Red Bull) actually lowers heart rate:

A combination of caffeine and taurine has no effect on short term memory but induces changes in heart rate and mean arterial blood pressure. Amino Acids. 2006 May 15. Bichler A, Swenson A, Harris MA. Biology Core Curriculum, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, U.S.A..

Red Bull energy drink has become extraordinarily popular amongst college students for use as a study aid. We investigated the combined effects of Red Bull's two active ingredients, caffeine and taurine, on short term memory. Studies on the effects of these two neuromodulators on memory have yielded mixed results, and their combined actions have not yet been investigated. In this double-blind study, college student subjects consumed either caffeine and taurine pills or a placebo and then completed a memory assessment. Heart rate and blood pressure were monitored throughout the testing period. The combination of caffeine and taurine had no effect on short term memory, but did cause a significant decline in heart rate and an increase in mean arterial blood pressure. The heart rate decline may have been caused by pressure-induced bradycardia that was triggered by caffeine ingestion and perhaps enhanced by the actions of taurine.

[zook]

The fact that they're derivatives is inconsequential.

I agree. Actually most of your body is made up of amino acid derivatives I guess I just put it in italics to clarify the terminology.

[thenonsequitur]

I'm know that it's possible to overdose on caffeine. I'm just saying it's incredibly unlikely to happen from just drinking one Rockstar, or one Red Bull, or one cup of strong coffee. And nearly impossible if you use caffeine regularly. The guy also sat in a car full of detailing chemicals and has some kind of ocd... I'd blame both of these for his "panic attack" before an energy drink.

I definitely agree about putting the car fumes and ocd ahead of the energy drink as the likey cause of the attack. I mainly just didn't think it was a valid statment to say that the energy drink took no part.

As far as my overdose of caffeine...I also had a heart condition ("Preventrical contractions"). It's a benign condition, and carries no extra risk of heart disease or heart failure, but it does makes your heart feel weird. Then I had an energy drink, and the combination of the caffeine and the heart condition gave me a panic attack. This was a long time ago, and at the time, I wasn't even aware of the phenomena of panic attacks, so what I was experiencing just made me panic even more because I thought I was dying.

So I got so argumentative about this post because here is someone else with a heart condition who had an energy drink and a panic attack and refused to believe these could be linked.

This is a great alternative to Google for finding scientific articles: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed

If you aren't at a university, you won't be able to access the full-text articles, but at least you'll be able to read the abstracts. Here's an interesting review on caffeine and cardiovascular health:

...Some quotes...

I've actually read these before. When I when to school a few years ago I read up on caffeine, and saw these quotes (or similar ones, can't remember now). While I am sure they are very credible, I am tempted to believe from personal experience (and anecdotal experience from friends) that these data certainly don't tell the whole story.

Anyway, I'm kind of done with this argument. I think I've been out-argued (from an outside perspective, it looks like your position is more solid), so there's not much more I can say. I still disagree, but no point in pushing it.

[TerryToma]

Let's ban water because drinking too much can be fatal.

Yeah, it can lower your serum sodium to dangerously low levels. Not good.

I am admittedly not well read on the subject, but I am unaware of any findings that suggest caffeine consumption negatively affects the heart. I know there is evidence that caffeine consumption is associated with increases in several cardiovascular disease risk factors, such as blood pressure, but that is not what you're saying.

There was a recent study saying that drinking coffee is good for you due to its anti-oxidants from the bean. They did not find protective effects with soda, however. Therefore if you want caffeine, the best way is tea/coffee.

[Hate]

Regarding the energy drinks issue, a couple of weeks ago i went to the B&M for some 1/2 NL. I only stayed about 8 hours and drank 1 redbull early, and 1 just before i left (i've previously drank 10 in a 14 hour session so you could say i'm used to it, plus the last time i drank 3 espressos to make my sleep go away, i almost fell asleep with my head on the table of the bar i was in). When i got home (about 30 minutes later) i tried to go to sleep. Although it was about 2am and i hadn't slept for a while, i couldn't get to sleep, i felt my heart pounding and i just couldn't stay still...i kept tossing and turning. Perhaps that happens to me once in a while, but now i could actually feel my anxiety building and my heart rate keeping steady at a pretty fast rate. Red bull = BAD with your condition. Hell, it was bad with me...and i'm not exactly the healthiest of lads...i drink every chance i can, i smoke a pack a day, and drink at least one espresso every day + being pretty accustomed to redbull, and STILL that night kinda freaked me out. I don't even want to imagine what my reaction would be if i had your condition (yes, i realise he is banned, but perhaps he is somehow reading this)

[Miffed22001]

my geek-o-meter just maxed out with content

[jackvance]

ItDepends's outburst was the only one that contained a personal attack.

And he was already on thin ice as soon as he came back from the grave.

I don't really understand why he burst like that.. but apparently something that was said struck a chord with him - I can't really relate because I don't have this condition he has.. and apart from this outburst I can't really remember any bad posts by him at all.. so maybe his condition + the double near-death experience put some extra strain on him to cause this?..

[spoonitnow]

jackvance, why don't you just go back to TribalWars before you get banned

[Miffed22001]

jackvance, why don't you just go back to TribalWars before you get banned

guess whos sitting his account n00b

[givememyleg]

tl;dr

[LimpinAintEZ]

stay away from Rockstar/RedBull etc - Those things just raise heart rates....if you are already pre-disposed, those energy drinks are going to be bad for you...

Please never post in my threads again. You are by far the most retarded poster in FTR history. You make Rippy look like Phil Ivey.

ban please

Edit: Advertising owns you so much it's disgusting. Do you even know what's in Rockstar or Red Bull? They are an extremely poor excuse for an 'energy drink'. The stuff they put in it had almost zero affect on you, outside the caffeine. Most americans are used to lots of caffeine, so it would take multiple cans of either for it to really affect your heart in a great way. Your post would read the same to an intelligent person if you replaced red bull with coca-cola, because they both are sugar, water, and caffeine. Can you see how dumb it sounds to me, because I know this?

guess we figured out who the smart one was....lol - Look, all i was trying to tell you (in a nice way) is you obviously have some serious issues - they might be physical, and they might be mental....I'm starting to lean towards the mental...I mean here you are telling everyone your sob story and then you attack me? and for what? I didn't even realize so much had happened here - And yeah, I do know whats in them because I'm a kidney transplant recipient and my Dr's told me to stay away from them because of the Herbs in them and the Taurine - which is just bull piss or something....anyway, sorry you get so bent outta shape about something so trivial - Maybe little things like that are the reason you are having some issues - Go see a therapist - Get on some anxiety pills....Good luck to you though - Not sure why you went where you did with the topic, but i hope you get better in either case....

[LimpinAintEZ]

can someone tell me why everytime i post in a thread, people get hotheaded? Am I really that stupid? Maybe i don't want an answer to that....Seems like people get pretty pissed at me sometimes, and I don't get why - oh well....

[flomo]

miffed
i didn't think your sig could get any better
and then it did

[Galapogos]

can someone tell me why everytime i post in a thread, people get hotheaded? Am I really that stupid? Maybe i don't want an answer to that....Seems like people get pretty pissed at me sometimes, and I don't get why - oh well....

It's not anything you say. We just really hate Kurt Russell.

[BobbySalami]

can someone tell me why everytime i post in a thread, people get hotheaded? Am I really that stupid? Maybe i don't want an answer to that....Seems like people get pretty pissed at me sometimes, and I don't get why - oh well....

It's not anything you say. We just really hate Kurt Russell.

loooooooooooool

[WildBobAA]

ItDepends: Maybe you could use the $50 you stole from me for the fantasy football league to fix your car

[lambchopdc]

ItDepends: Maybe you could use the $50 you stole from me for the fantasy football league to fix your car

Sorry bob, if I was Doggz i would pocket the cash from it and tell Xianti to pay it as well. Doggz had actually just talked to me about seeding it with his own money and sending everyone their cash back. But now he cant, cuz he's banned. Xianti, strike me if you want, you've turned into a Nazi.

P.S. The fact that 50% of commune threads get locked and everyone has to watch their every fucking word makes this forum look less appeasing than it did when everyone was at each others' throats.

[sandstorm]

stay away from Rockstar/RedBull etc - Those things just raise heart rates....if you are already pre-disposed, those energy drinks are going to be bad for you...

Please never post in my threads again. You are by far the most retarded poster in FTR history. You make Rippy look like Phil Ivey.
ban please

Even if you were correct, there's no reason to be such an asshole to someone that was just trying to help you out.

Yeah. WTF, ItDepends???


You were already on watch when you came back. This just proves you haven't changed with your hot-headed attitude.

Goodbye, doggz.

give him two strikes and a final warning? this wasn't that bad?

on a related note. maybe the strike system should be non-public? i think it affects the owners and also the people talking to them.

[biondino]

Talking meta about FTR on FTR will always but always but always lead to discord and animosity. Some forums don't allow discussion of the fourm on the forum - perhaps we could look into that here?

[spoonitnow]

Am I really that stupid? Maybe i don't want an answer to that....

[bigred]

ItDepends's outburst was the only one that contained a personal attack.

And he was already on thin ice as soon as he came back from the grave.

I don't really understand why he burst like that.. but apparently something that was said struck a chord with him - I can't really relate because I don't have this condition he has.. and apart from this outburst I can't really remember any bad posts by him at all.. so maybe his condition + the double near-death experience put some extra strain on him to cause this?..

I think this needs to be accounted for.

While I realize people don't like doggz, esp the admins, I think he's made a real effort to post positive stuff and he had a moment of weakness. I don't think he deserves the ban and I think most people will agree he doesn't. We need to look past who we dislike on a personal interest level and think about the good of the community as a whole. It was one personal attack about a sensitive subject. Does that really outweigh the benfits of having an intelligent high stakes player who is also a friend to many? I certainly don't think it does.

[jyms]

I agree somewhat with Bigred but let's keep in mind, never post in a public forum if you can't handle responses like these. There is going to be humour that is not funny to some if not all. Should we ban everyone that posted a dead baby or other tastless joke just cause some have no sense of humour in some sensitive areas. I say it's the community forum, post at your own risk and let everyone know that it's the community forum. Get a backbone or get out. I don't think there should be a restriction in this forum on who or what can be said. If there is then where is the line? Because I can point out a hundred posts by plenty of members that stepped over the line according to the rules. It's the community, if you post in a poker forum and it has nothing to do with poker, your already outside the box. The game is afoot. Why are you posting otherwise. You want responses or sympathy, That's another website. I vote doggz stays as long as these comments and flames are community based and not in the "POKER"forums. But I could be wrong. And the redbull caused the anxiety attach and it wasn't the caffeine. But I can't explain that ot other people because they already know.

[thenonsequitur]

I was happy with just telling him that the personal attack was kind of an asshole move, and then moving on to the real discussion. It's not like anyone was seriously hurt by his remark, it was just out of line. I don't know if that deserved a ban. But then again, I don't know the history with doggz. I do know that I enjoyed many of the posts by the new incartionation ItDepends though. I've said in other posts and I'll say again that I am not a fan of the strike system (and it's not just because I have 50 of them), and I think banning should be reserved only for spammers or other serious issues, but many others believe it's done more help than harm, so... eh. Not much to do I guess. Lets sleeping doggz lie?