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Originally Posted by baudib
I think preflop depends on a lot of things, I realize it's only 6 hands but give me something. It's a big difference if the PFR is a 75-year-old white guy or a 25-year-old kid with headphones.
If this were MP vs HJ, then yeah, we might adjust based on demographic. An 8bb iso of 2 limpers from the SB is insanely strong from a 1/2NL unknown though, regardless of age and headphone usage. Black friday was 40 months ago at this point; most "young guns" at 1/2NL are wannabes (present company included :P ). There are very few who are doing anything other than completing with JTs/ATo.
You're mostly ahead of the limpers' ranges, but you're OOP to them and have dreadful absolute position on everyone. Yes, even on the opener himself, since in this particular spot, neither a check nor a bet really gives you much info (players open check 4-way $64 pots with strong holdings all the time). You can almost never take the pot down with a bluff, A-high flops are riddled with RIO, so you're only left hoping for 1 kind of flop (and again, even if it comes J-high, we're OOP with a single pair to the two players we really want to build a pot against, and regardless of whether SB checks or bets, he still often has us beat).
Of course, I'm not so much of a nit to think that if we hit a J-high flop, we're not in good shape, but seeing as how it's the best case scenario and one of only two particularly good-case-scenarios, we'd like for us to be in a bit better than just pretty good shape for our 6bbs worth.
As for flop, I agree with Renton. I probably bet $20 here because this isn't seen as a particularly small flop bet in live poker, and it protects for all the dozens of times I inevitably bet $15-20 on the flop for various reasons. If players think I'm always FoS, then they can be our guest and call with any pair or draw. A smaller sizing will also make villains more inclined to raise TPTK+, which is great because our hand is worthless if it's behind already.
On the turn, the limpers probably aren't willing to commit much to 87/A5, and the PFR isn't going to rage-call too much money with split pair, so I'd b/f small again (with my flop sizing, it would be ~40 -> 90; as played, we're in a very tough spot). We're very easily bested at this point, so we can't afford to fold out too much of our opponents' middling range.
Once we get to the river, I'd say PFR is basically never bluff shoving, and the limper might do it every once in a while with a missed spade draw, but we're talking once in a blue moon stuff, so even with our relatively tentative line, this line shouldn't invite much trouble for ourselves.
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