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And this is just utter bollocks, it doesn't mean anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I can say you said "spazzy" and that means you're a wolf. You can argue that I'm talking shit, because I would be. But then I can retort that because I brought it up, it's relevant. Boom.
I mean what planet are you on here gabe? This is weak, equally as weak as your "villaging" last game.
Alarm bells.
im ready for ong to dieQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
such a weak post you made here
Lol noQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'm going to let your posts speak for you. I'm staying out of the mud
Ong u can say things, and rilla can say things, and they are perceived very differently. Boom
Ok. This is a really fearsome attack gabe, you're almost convincing me tha you're a villager and I'm a wolf.
Almost.
This is what I would imagine bussing sounds like.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Thing is gabe, you're not bad enough to believe that saying "kinda" a lot is alignment indicative, and neither is rilla. In your case, last game you were trying to present rascal missing a word as a wolf pov slip. You like to present inane crap as wolfy when you're a wolf.
rilla might just be poking, idk. If that's what he's doing, you've taken the bait gabe. Because never in a million years are you going to get reliable reads from the number of times someone says "kinda", and you have been playing for a million years so you should know.
If you thought you had bagged a wolf in me, you would not be piggybacking off rilla's terrible observations.
Drew you know what bussing sounds like, you've been wolf with me enough times.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
You don't need to imagine anything.
Why are you using rhetoric in this manner?
U wrong tho. Check the archives, I've made all sorts of nice reads off inanity
I thought that someone else had brought up ongs "feigned interest" earlier but I went back and it turns out it was also rilla. And I skipped to the end of America v Russia and it turns out ong was a wolf lol so I guess the difference in conviction can probably be attributed to a lack of information versus total info. Gabe has come out of this looking wolfoer to me...not ruling out a sick level where this is just two wolves goin after eachother but I would be really surprised to see two villagers here
Where's baudib or wuf to argue with ong for me
im not
Actually, exploiting the minutia of word choice is one of gabe's interesting skills. I say interesting because, to me, it seems like he's making a mountain out of a molehill, sometimes. I can't deny that it's the heightened awareness to subtle tells that impresses me about gabe.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Besides, after re-reading p1, gabe is not getting a vote from me today.
IDK about rilla.
Actully, if rilla can support his claim that this extensive use of prevaricating tone is out of character for ong, then he's all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Simply throwing out something as evidence w/o supplying context is dubious, but not necessarily wolfy.
rescind rilla
So are you changing your read that ong = V, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
@mmm but gabe didnt pick up on it...he just sorta tagged along with it...im curious do you think this could be an interaction between two villagers
Hey look, guys. Philly is still fencing.Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
Yeah, but it's the kind of thing that gabe gets excited about. That alone is not alignment indicative.Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
Yes, this can be V-V interaction. It doesn't mean that it isn't V-W, but I doubt ong-gabe go at each other like this on D1 as W-W.
I think gabe is V, and I can never tell ong's alignment. I feel like ong somehow keeps his meta one step ahead of what I can figure out. I wasn't joking when I said I'd let BID figure out ong for me. BID has a long history of soul reading ong on D1.
The idea that it could be W-W is probably higher than it's been in years, given the recent run of village wins and gabe losing as a wolf that one time (last game). Still, I would guess this is a W-W gambit ~5% or less.
V-V more than 50%
V-W less than 50%
W-W less than 5%
I feel a nagging sense of empathy with philly's approach to this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
His first couple of posts were dropping reads. Then he seems to have realized that he really needed context for the players, whom were obviously interacting with a ton of history. Then he dives into the USA vs USSR game and his head is out of this thread for a while. Now... he's trickling back into action here.
I just feel like this is a sensible and competent progression of an intelligent person with limited time. It could be a distraction, it feels like the noob-wolf winning tactic in spades at the same time. Thing is, the noob-wolf has to pull it off the entire game, and philly has to face a deadline that expires well before then.
TW-V or TW-W are only possibilities
the word kinda is not the only reason he's wolfy. I mentioned I had a third party advise me. And I've found some wolfy posts of his in retrospect
is anyone defending ong
Philly can't be lynched today. Any returning players get a policy pass from me (and ong too which is ironic)
@boog This is different, before I was fencing by stating that I'm rusty and don't know the players and its d1 so info is limited.
Here I am saying that just because one comes up w doesn't necessarily mean that the other is v although it appears that way.
So the first time was to cover my ass as there is a high likelihood that I am wrong
The second is to ensure we do not let someone off the hook automatically
There is a difference DUCY?
@mmm I agree with the low probability of both being wolves i just find it hard to imagine both being villagers here
I agree with this.Quote:
...i just find it hard to imagine both being villagers here
I also agree with mojo's analysis of philly and have both in my village camp.
gabe is wolfing hard here.
I identify as a wolf but they wouldnt share link to the wolf den
rilla and gabe talk about the word "kinda" as though that indicates a lack of conviction. I am not of the opinion that conviction is measured in words. I think context is much more important. Does gabe believe what he's saying? I don't think so, I think that as villager he would know that what rilla said was nonsense. But he jumped on it like it was the greatest read in the world. Is that what gabe calls conviction?
Ong can surprise you with how much he spews as villager. I've been saying that for years over dozens of gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
Wow ur really trying to get serious now after the heat. Did fear cause this tone change? Villager ong wouldn't be fearful at this pointQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
La la la locked in on ong
Fearful? This is deliberate use of rhetoric to support your cause. I would argue that I'm defensive... which is the case always when I'm a villager who gets heat. But you know how quickly I'd swat away accusations of being defensive, so you say fearful instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
This is wolf language. I mean a villager might think fearful indicates wolf or special.
Which is why it'd be less likely that someone expressing a new meta, unannounced, is actually wolfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Sure, gabe is capable of this. I think it's not the case.
Much respect to the legend if he's fooling me now.
It's not a trick. If you remove tin foil it makes perfect sense. I think ongs brain is Literally wrapped in tinfoil
ps are scientists using the new definition of literally in scientific papers yet??
defensive is inherently fearful. If there were no fear then people would not defendQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
ur not gonna convince me of anything
Alright, well if you want to argue that defensive is fearful, fine. Fearful is therefore most certainly not alignment indicative, because by the very fact that I don't want to be lynched, I am fearful. I don't tend to want to be lynched regardless of my role.
As opposed a wolf trying to mislynch you?Quote:
I think ongs brain is Literally wrapped in tinfoil
Tell me again why you think I'm wolfy gabe, because this comment of your implies you now think I'm a villager being paranoid.
Nah I'm gonna let people make their own conclusions and see which side they land on
They will be supplying more information before EOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
Who will you not be voting for today?
Who could you vote for today?
What are your thoughts on other players?
#433 is a transwolf masterpiece imo. It's type of thing I'd love to normally say but don't. It's so liberating coming out of the transwolf closet
Probably. It depends on how widely the term "scientist" applies.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Technically, psychology is a science. Psychologists say all kinds of things.
Even still. It is not the case that all physicists share my rigorous use of language in all of their publications. While I would not use the word literally with this meaning, I do use colloquial and witty language in my introductions and closing statements. These are the prefix and suffix to a paper, intended to use non-technical language to give a brief overview of the intention and results of the paper for non-scientist readers (management).
Not yet but I'd like to hedge my decision by saying: not yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
This only demonstrates to me that you have no interest in figuring me out.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
If you cannot present a coherent case against me, then how am I to believe that you have any conviciton gabe?
I don't need you to believe anything
however I can tell that you need the village to believe something about you
You need to believe I'm a wolf. I'm unconvinced you believe that, because you're just trying to brush me off with buzzwords, rather than actually explaining why you think I'm wolfy.
Would be hilarious if after last game gabewolf attacked villagerong on day 1
that alone makes this preposterous
thats actually another reason i would would like to lynch you. If you come up villager, it looks slightly good for me (as opposed to normally where I would catch heat from lynching the wrong person)
try to get what I'm saying here before asking me 5 questions that probably lack conviction
Makes a lot more sense that you're the wolf this time. U should point your energy at someone else if you are a villager
Gabe and Ong are the new Baud and Ong. Gabe is coming off as less wolf and more trans with every post. I still hate the idea of him being so flaming about it though.
Anywho, rescind gabe, lynch philly
Philly's shitty explanation with regard to his fencing sold me. If anyone's conviction needs to be examined thoroughly, it's his.
I agree with everything boog said.
@mmm
There's nobody that I'm super pumped about. I feel like BID Is all over the place but I'm sticking with my guns that he wouldn't open the game like that as a wolf
I'm not overly excited for an ong lynch but I think it's important we get some clarity on this situation and he's on the jkds wagon and two of the best players think he's a wolf
I have no idea what's going on with gabe, like I said he looked wolfier in the initial exchange and now he's gone hyper trans.
given the nature of the jkds wagon I think it's likely he's a villager and there's a wolf out of those voting for him that jumped on after gators bold...wuf bid and ong.
Also its strange to me that baudib was like "lol we are totes lynching jkds" but then doesn't bold him. It's possible he is a wolf trying to perpetuate a wagon without getting his hands dirty on any voting charts, but could also be him setting a trap to see who bites on the wagon
To me those are the two most noteworthy events so far, this ong and gabe exchange and the jkds wagon that was up to four votes relatively quickly
Forgive me if any of those three bolded jkds before gator I'm in the car with my girlfriend heading to atlanta and she's not stoked at the time I took to make this post lol so I can't verify
Finally considering that you said smf was quite talented I haven't seen anything from him really
I've seen enough
lynch Gabe
Le sigh at boog and bid
"I want to lynch BID if the wolves don't kill him" can't be a real thought.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
So gabe over ong and over JKDS, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Are you clearing ong? or are you thinking W-W?
Where are you on JKDS?
I think Ong is a villager and I'm not sure on JKDS anymore.
If he believes that the only way BID acts like this is if he is not vanilla, then either BID is a village PR (as he claimed in his first post, then reaffirmed later), or BID is a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
The wolves have a known PR to target on N1.
If BID is alive after N1, then he is not the PR he claimed and therefore a wolf.
***
There's the jailkeeper role, though.
If no nom, then this is out the window. If BID is a vanilla villager, this is out the window.
Yeah, almost as if he's soft defending a lot to keep most of the village off his back. Like he's trying to survive Day 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
MMM so logical, so villagery.
@philly: I like where you're coming from, but (like I said of JKDS earlier), you're saying things that are easy to say.
baudib had me totally fooled as a wolf when he kept saying things that I was already thinking. It's easy to say the obvious things, but not easy to show your intelligence by saying something that this crowd of intelligent people aren't already thinking.
***
I have philly as neutral. He's still sounding noob-ish, tone-wise. I want to give him a D1 pass, too.
Boog, wicha think of Ong?
The man loves to argue. All his posts have read "Ong-like" this game which is why I don't think much of his "kindas," etc. He's a villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
You can lead a horse to water...
Hmm yes I guess so, does seem like we're heading towards WIFOM territory though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
After that flurry of posts from Ong and gabe I doubt they're both wolves. Based on how long they've been arguing and the speed of their replies.
@rascal
Can we get an updated count please?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
You can replace MMM's 'philly' with hoopy here and...Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
VOTE COUNT - Posts 1 thru 462
gabe - 3 (Hoopy [388], OngBonga [392], baudib [446])
JKDS - 2 (wufwugy [324], BankItDrew [341])
OngBonga - 2 (a500lbgorilla [374], gabe [389])
BooG690 - 1 (SuperMonkeyFace [266])
BankItDrew - 1 (JKDS [318])
wufwugy - 1 (GatorJH [382])
philly and the phanatics - 1 (BooG690 [443])
Not Voting - 1 (philly and the phanatics [0])
Unvote - 1 (MadMojoMonkey [413])
7 is MAJ. D1 Ends at 8:00 PM EST 25 November. Votes at :00 are good, :01 are bad.
Please stop posting at EOD even if I haven't declared it night.
Note: Numbers in brackets are the post number for the vote. Please let me know if I missed any votes so I can correct my spreadsheet.
EOD is in just over 4 hours.
Me and Ong being on the same page is a little frightening.
This is true but that's also standard Hoopy. I don't find Hoopy to be particularly villagery or helpful early on in the game but I haven't seen anything wolfy from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
If anyone's interested, I'd be willing to lynch SMF.
Baud, thoughts on philly?
I have him as firmly neutral. The playstyle on here is certainly a lot different from 5 years ago and I'm mindful of the lesson of Gizmo in the Russians Game.
Like we can't let him get away with "I'm still reading Russians" all game without giving more thoughts on the current thread forever but we can give him a day.
This is false and has me suspecting MMM big time now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
BID, I think MMM is trying to explain his interpretation of Gabe's thought process.
It all starts with, "If he (gabe) believes..."Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Obv. the wolves don't have to target you. It is the most likely move, in a vacuum, for the wolves to target anyone who isn't likely to receive votes. Multiple people have said they will not vote for you. Also, that first post of yours and the ensuing discussion has left you as claiming to be a villager, but not vanilla. So better than average odds of being just that. I.e. nom bait.
If I am nom bait - I have done my job and done it well.
Consolidating our votes is probably a good idea. We're very spread out right now.
feels like wolves are scared to make a move here.
This makes me think that they are happy with whomever is in the lead atmQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Who is in the lead?
finished studying earlier than anticipated.
this does not feel like v ong. i'll reread to get a better grasp of it, but i like ong lynch the best right now, or at least equal to a jkds lynch.
ongbong
for post: ong jkds baud
no it doesn't because jkds only hit 3. that's 3 villagers a ton of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
interesting
Seems like one of the wolves is playing well and not getting any heat at all but not sure who that would be. Gator? SMF?
fwiw recall when from last game i said that i experentially confirmed what i had thought theoretically, that attacking players who are not your current bold is a bad idea. if i hadnt done that, i think gabe dies d1 instead of d2. so that means that if i stick to what i claim i have learned, there is overall less content for me to post (since a solid proportion of it is typically attacking people im not bolded on).Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
also school. sometimes im busy and dont post much. other times im not and do post much.
I'm not gonna be around to vote at EOD. I'm unhappy with my vote planted on Philly if people refuse to vote him because he's new. I'm not voting for Ong or Gabe today. JKDS is still a thing right? Lynch JKDS but for really this time. I'm not too unhappy about this.
I'll "use the bathroom" at dinner and try my best to be around but not 100% sure.
I'm also with family (as I suspect most are) can we get a quick vote count
Yes but philly was arguing that wolves were pushing jkds. He was implying mislynch, and wolves don't get mislynched. He imples villager by virtue of the fact he assumes it's a wolf driven wagon. Why isn't it obvious that was what I was saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Yeah I've thought the same myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Meh I prob won't be back by 8 lynch wuf ..the jkds wagon hit four really fast it was just that gator rescinded. You seem least villagery of the three pilers
Oh yeah you guys have a holiday now don't you. Christmas 2. Whaddya call it, Thanksalot Day? More commercial bullshit day, that's what I call it.
did reread (skim). this may be the first time im actually right on one of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
alternate: philly
ong's got a tell right now. not saying what it is in case he's a wolf.
Tell me it's saying "I mean..." too much, that will definitely amuse me.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
philly's argument was that jkds' wagon getting big fast means that it should likely involve wolves. i pointed out the fact that it DIDNT get big fast, and what actually transpired is just villagers lots of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
what you said to philly would be a pretty big brain fart if you're a villager.
It was the first wagon to hit four and it did so quickly
And that would be unusual for me, wouldn't it?Quote:
what you said to philly would be a pretty big brain fart if you're a villager.
*rolls another spliff*
@MMM
I'm officially changing my stance on ong. I'm confident he's a wolf.
rescind
lynch ong
four isnt really that muchQuote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
Not changing until he flips.
wat? oh dearQuote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
baud has not liked bid bolding ong or jkds
part of why ive got it ong jkds baud
haha drew
Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
wrong
I had/have no opinion on BID bolding JKDS
JKDS should definitely be a wagon here, but I think SMF should be too. We can turn this around I think.
That feels massively opportunistic of drew, fwiw. But you can't all be wolves. I hope drew is a villager who's just wrong.