if that's the game where i was wolf with bid and i won it for the wolves until bid did his pm-spew, then sure, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
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if that's the game where i was wolf with bid and i won it for the wolves until bid did his pm-spew, then sure, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
i did briefly think about this, but i was pretty careful not to give up any info in that post = i doubt it's anything other than village-neutral. Wolves are going to be seer/cursed hunting regardless, i'm just stoked that i caught myself in time. Makes for a pretty easy angel-protect right? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
You're mistaking practice with theory. We have an inexperienced ww mod talking about players in the intro, in an order that isnt the normal player order. I thought there might be something to that, and explored it.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
yaawn.That added nothing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
The point being that the "analysis" you did proves nothing , its just a recap of the thread , it doesn't show that you are a villager wolf or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith
how did he clear himself? #113 you are still saying "That said, your beginning play still has me leaning hard wolf until I see a reason otherwise." Then he postedQuote:
Why not put your name in the list for where you acted and voted for him along with reason for getting off the wagon instead of hiding a brief mention in the text? JUST ABOUT EVERY POST I MADE ABOUT MMM GAVE MY REASONS FOR SUPPORTING MMM. RTFT. Why not analyse how the voting looked at the point that you got off his wagon? CUZ TO ME IT WAS OBV, KNOWING MMM, THAT HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AT/BEYOND POST 64. THUS, 100+ POSTS LATER, I JUMPED OFF MMM AFTER HE'D CLEARED HIMSELF.
where does he prove himself a villager there? He claims he is a villager setting a trap for the wolves to see who falls for it. five posts later you get off his wagon withQuote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
talking about early joviality and completely avoiding talking about the trap part of his post. Did any one else try and get off his wagon at that stage , no , it was you that panicked and jumped off his wagon.EVeryone else stayed on his wagon because they couldn't be sure if he was cursed or a wolf or a villager . YOU WERE SURE. only the wolves would know that he wasn't a wolf and a wolf wouldn't want to still be on his wagon if they had been opportunistic jumping on his wagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
lol , so I wasn't targetting a potential wolf who refused to respond to the points i made. remember last game , i died first night having targetted you , its not unreasonable for me to think that if i'm right about you again this game that i was a likely target last night. I accept that i could be an early lynch/ nom after the last few games, and i'm gonna target people hard when i find dodgy stuff.Quote:
All the time you spent on this could have been spent doing something constructive, like answering my #560 ,#625 post where i bolded you originally, but you refused to address the points i made. MY ANALYSIS PROCESS IS MY OWN AND I HAVE NO PROB SHARING WHAT I SEE/DO. WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTIVE OR NOT IS YOUR OPINION BUT IT HELPS ME. AFTER THIS, I'LL ADDRESS YOUR POSTS.
Look at your comments about why i got off MMM's wagon LAST MINUTE????? UH, YEP. YOU BAILED ON THE 2 WAGONS AT THE END OF THE DAY
copy it and insert it in the quote with quote tags round it.Quote:
bollocks!!! WTF IS A BOLLOCK?
I got off MMMs wagon because i found evidence of you saying one thing and doing the opposite. You were lieing, and you have had plenty of time to think of an explanation, so how about explaining it to the village. Theres no MMM wagon to distract us now, the village can concentrate on what you have to say. I DON'T KNOW WTF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I ASSUME IT HAS TO DO WITH THOSE POSTS 560/625 ABOVE. I'LL GET TO THOSE AFTER THIS.Quote:
bollocks - uk slang - testicles or rubbish....bollocking...a dressing down/severe reprimand
lets look at this post... I WISH A QUOTED POST WOULD COME UP IN A SUBSEQUENT POST REPLY. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT?
Again your logic is flawed,why would the wolves want to get rid of the potential cursed villager? It means that a mislynch /forced outing of seer /angel would not occur and robs them of a chance of a strategic nom later in the game.If (as it turned out) MMM was a villager and wolves managed to nom the cursed villager and wolf number increased MMM would then be a prime suspect again. It is much better for the wolves to have kept a potential cursed villager alive than to ensure he died.Quote:
Again touting the theme that "i got my wolf buddies to hop on MMMs wagon and get it rolling". I BELIEVE I SAID THAT AFTER YOUR PREGAME DECLARATION IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR WOLF-KEITH TO NOT VOTE MMM AND WHEN MMM SPEWED WHACKY, YOU WERE IN HEAVEN. AND THEN U CONVINCED YOUR BUDS THAT THIS WAS A NO BRAINER. The early MMM votes were me (before he pulled his lone wolf shit so how am i supposed to" shit myself when he wigged out early") SEE ABOVE, wuf dhuber and you. now obviously you are gonna claim you aren't one of my supposed wolf buddies OBV, and dhuber wasn't on your list list either YUP, so how am i supposed to be getting my buddies to jump on early? I DON'T THINK I SAID "EARLY". BUT IF I DID, SUBSEQUENTLY IS MORE ACCURATE. You are making a weak argument stretch a long way trying to target me. I AGREE IT'S A STRETCH AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT TO POKE YOU BASED ON A LOOSE FEEL AND TO GET YOU TO ENGAGE MORE. BUT SINCE I DID NOT VOTE YOU, I OBV DIDN'T HAVE YOU AT THE TOP OF MY LIST. Now its backfired on you ONLY IN YOUR MIND because i am focused TUNNELING on you WITH BLINDERS ON AGAIN and showing all your contradictions up and you haven't got a clue how to answer without it showing you can only be a wolf. HERE'S MY ANSWERS. HOW WOLFY AM I SO FAR?
the bit i was referring to was "the best you can come up with is that you said I was a wolf, so i bolded you". It wasn't a tit for tat bold, it was an evidence based bold.Quote:
Look at the end of that quote DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO HERE, the best you can come up with is that you said I was a wolf, so i bolded you.
The end of day was approaching and i had found someone saying one thing and doing the opposite. As there is a high chance that i get nommed early game now , i have to address the points whilst i'm still alive.You saw last game how village forgets the message that dead villagers were pushing and you hoped to sweep it under the carpet and it would be forgotten.Quote:
YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT U DID, AND WASTED A VOTE. Rubbish, I bolded you because what you said were lies that didn't tally with the evidence and i have shown the discrepancies. OKAY, BUT YOU DIDN'T SELL THAT MSG AT THE TIME. You were acting with an agenda and you refuse to explain yourself. I REFUSED TO DISTRACT THE SOLID CAMPS FORMED AT THE TIME WITH ENDLESS BICKERING. GO LOOK AT PPL'S REACTION TO YOUR MEGAPOSTS, KEITH. NOBODY GAVE A FUCK AT THE TIME. THIS IS WHERE YOUR BLINDERS HURT YOU. IT'S FINE TO PINPOINT A PLAYER BUT YOU GOTTA BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHEN NOBODY'S LISTENING AND/OR WHEN IT'S BEING DETRIMENTAL TO THE EVENTS ATM.
Why would you ever make this post as a villager?Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
It's like you're saying look how villagery I am without considering how anti village your post is.
in this past you speak of, enlighten me, were you suggesting that you be one of the wagons? or were you nominating two other players?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
bigred won it for the wolves, as a villagerQuote:
Originally Posted by daven
that was the game where you were super outed but kept pretending like you werent, possibly because i was the only villager of the 4 remaining who was paying any attention
bothQuote:
Originally Posted by daven
i don't see itQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
If you spot something that might give away the seer, do you keep that info to yourself in the hope the wolves don't spot it or do you tell everyone it exists so the wolves go hunting?
I mean really, Wtf?
And surprise surprise we have baudib agreeing with you, or maybe trying to cover for your fellow wolf.
But of course I'm sure you'd never do that and would just let your fellow wolf hang, right? I'm sure that's your standard comeback there. But people forget the impact of ego in this game.
didn't mean to misrepQuote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
did mean to highlight that you'd posted something about factors affecting your ability to contribute to this game
i'd never be able to keep up with two ww games at once, i reckon you should self-lynch in the other game then focus your attention here where the action lies!
I put out a lot of content in D1 and that makes me an easy target cuz I know the more you say the more it can be twisted. But if I'd come out low profile after last game, I woulda been targeted for that 180. So I decided this game to be myself and not try to limit myself. Here's the deal, I'm an above average typist who can nearly type as fast as one speaks. So it's easy for me to over spew. That's a detriment in this game cuz ppl just want bullets. But it's who I am.
My thing about Keith d1 was to point out that if he's wolf then his MMM vote was 100% hidden by his pregame announcement of it. So I poked him and got him to react. My super spew a bit ago to him was to see if he welcomed the engagement or not. Cuz if he's a wolf, then he'd love to take a vanillager outta play today. And I was baiting others to react to a super battle that woulda been bad for the V. I invite everyone to take note of that and see who reacted and how.
Now, here's my reads in no particular order:
DHUBER is a Villager--He's playing EXACTLY like last game where he was a lock V. I know him very well and I sense zero wolf traits.
BAUDIB is a Villager--He/I started WW at FTR same game (Gold Rush) and it's obv that his game has evolved wicked good. That said, I also know him fairly well and he's playing super smart villager. That, plus he/I are def mind melding this game.
LUCO is a Villager--I've liked him all game. And when he came out and told me to "Stop Doing This" re my early postings today, I can't ever see a wolf trying to help or dissuade a wondering villager.
BIGRED is a Villager--He's doing his normal lol-catting around, staying neutral with everyone, keeping up, and posting well. Could be a low profile wolf but until he drops a hint, I'm feeling good about him.
DAVEN is a Villager--Yup, yup. All that wagoning and voting yesterday easily clears him. And his work today so far is pro V.
MMM is a Villager--I say this cuz I also know him well and was 100% in his corner after his reversion.
Ong is a Villager--I know him better that anyone and I was certain he was V all day but I also felt he was a special but didn't want to draw attn to that. I
RONG is Leaning Villager--His style hasn't changed from what I know of him. So I like that as a V. But his exchanges with Baudib have me wondering how he can be so wrong. Thing is, I think Rong inwardly dislikes Baudib for 'tainting' the sacred FTR WW with other game styles. So I'm keeping Rong neutral but with a V lean.
KEITH is Leaning Villager--WTF, you say? Yah yah, I pulled the big dog's tail and he turned around and bit back. Exactly as expected and in keeping with his norm. Does that make me a wishy-washy wolf or a clever villager; you decide on your own. But I will say this, Keith's weakness is the blinders he puts on when targeting. I'd like him to overcome that and start hunting. If he can't/won't do that, then he's a wolf.
*****
AUBREY is Neutral--TBH, I don't know her and don't have the skills to read her stuff. I'd like to see more before judging further.
*****
WUF is a Wolf--No way he acts how he is as a helpful villager. Everything he's doing is wrong.
BID is a Wolf--He had, like only a dozen posts d1. Dude's was nearly absent. But what he did do was snuggle with Monstr and hop on an easy MMM wagon.
MONSTR is Leaning Wolf--I didn't like nuking a new guy but I'm beginning to lean away from him now. I'm very interested in what he says today.
GABE is Leaning Wolf--He has def been off his normal early game and his tunneling of Monstr is awkward. I can easily see a contrived W-W plan here.
JKDS is Leaning Wolf--His absence d1 doesn't give me anything to work with and missing a vote totally sux. But he's on board today so we'll see. However, his case against me above is weaksauce (not just cuz it's against me, but cuz it's weak). He's much better than that. And his back/forth with Gabe so far today is odd to me.
EGO'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT MOTHERFUCKERQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
I can lunch baudib or Daven at any time today, not fussed which one.
meh, it's based on the premise that there is a wolf in [wuf/me] most of the time, and once i flip villager it becomes clear right? agree that the premise is flawed though, and there's a non-zero chance that wuf is also a villagerQuote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
Lol keyboard, I like baudib, that's silly. And he isnt alone in the acronyms and new lingo thing, jkds and ong started bringing over New terminology long ago. I think missing a few games in a row means I notice it a lot more.
I'm curious for your explanation. You have made side comments about thinking I'm a baddy all game, but never took it head on or described whyQuote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
i was pretty sure ong wasn't a pro-villager special.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
ok, i'm feeling fairly happy with a keybored lynch now
rescind wuf, lynch keybored
oh dear. What would have happened if the mod-ruling of bid's pm had been to ignore bid's pm? anyway, enough on that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
did you mean to quote the earlier post where i was all 'oops, nearly submitted, didn't, lucky!;Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
if so, i consider myself told off - by both you and baudib
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Originally Posted by baudib
but keybored has us both as lock villagers! surely you can't be disagreeing with himQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
@ Daven, yeah baudib mentioned it too, but he started out giving you villager points for it.
Rong can you give a 2 sentence summary of why you think baudib is a bad guy
The one time I remember he was a wolf, he was obvious and got spotted immediately. To me he seems innocent enough
1. His reasoning for wanting to lynch Daven over mmm on day 1.
2. His above villager lean towards Daven doesn't make any sense. How can any villager read that post be Daven and not think Daven is doing the absolute opposite of what a villager should do. Instead baudib is initially giving him villager points for it before he tries to back track afterwards.
He's trying to play villager, but his posts don't seem to stem from villager thinking.
Here ya go, Wuf. I find it much more likely that your reinvented style is due to drawing wolf than to improving your V game...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I suppose this early jab at Dhuber was just kickstarting but it's terribly weak...
Then there was this discussion about wolves clarifying game stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Your MMM lynch made no sense and you stuck with this wrong read the entire day...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
So you put your chips on MMM, quit the game, and went lalala spazz...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I like how telling this one becomes later on...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Everyone's got a real life and time zones; first part is wolf crap. Middle part is a V pretending to be anything other (see above). Last part is about not posting who V's are; how does this benefit the V and NOT help a wolf? ...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Again, pretending to be something else...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
You've got time to talk about V's but don't think it's good strat but posting V reads is legit. WAT?...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
This one speaks for itself. Are those of us working here supposed to thank you for this nugget? ...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Trying to defend your low profile again to start and finishing with a Yeah, But...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Finally adding something to the game, except it's mostly about your squatting (incorrect) vote and then a soulread for next 2 days...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
More nonsense about time zones...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
So let's all go home now cuz Wuf's got it all figured out...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
It's Wuf's way or the highway. Let's pack it up folks, our work here is done...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
This is deep...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Oh, well if you say so. Wait, wtf are you saying exactly? ...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
But don't you have it all "figured out" Wuf with all this in depth skimming (er, analysis)...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Dead V talking...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Dead V talking...Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Dead V prediction half right so far...Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Cuz everyone gives themselves up in the first 48hrs and nobody changes with the flow...Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Ya Ya, Wuf, we still hear you. Too bad you were dead wrong but we should def follow you on d2 also, right...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Keep packing the boxes, we can all go home soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
YGBFKM right?...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Speak for yourself bud...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Last words of a swinging Vanillager. Wonder if Wuf agrees. Nevermind, see all the above...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Baud's listening. Wonder how much superstar effort Wuf's gonna put in...Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Wuf's ready to play correctly now...Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Superstar effort here Wuf. Come get your IDGAF mvp trophy...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Glad Wuf's got this all figured out for us still. Cuz I wuz startin' ta worry...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Can anyone blame Daven here...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
You mean the part where Ong signed off with, "I think this means daven is a villager too."?Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
I agree there are some holes but it's usually more likely you disagree with him
Also I think davens recent "I have a good idea but not saying it" is quite villagery. The heat was coming off him with me keith jkds all on the keybored wagon. I don't think he would draw that much attention to himself with some type of wolf -ruse. More likely is just his real thoughts
I disagree. More likely he thought it would make him look villagery as it shows states he's both hunting and thinking about protecting the seer, he very villagery. But It also shows he's not actually thinking about what's best for the village, because if he was he wouldn't have posted it.
Or he could just be selfishly trying to self promote about how he thinks he's done something smart (finding the seer)
I gotcha though
Baudib...Ong and I were indeed interacting the same this game. Cuz we teammates again. Good read. And the Ong nom was super elite. Points to a wolf or two who seriously knows this gang...Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
All righty folks. I have decided I am not going to stick to my plans to keep everything as close to my vest as possible, so I'll be putting up some big reads. Overall this will still be much more tempered than normal
Before I do that, though, I want to point out that I think Keybored's post about me is strong indication that he's a villager. I do agree with Keith's logic on Keybored, but I also think that even though the logic is valid, because of how Keybored plays/thinks, it doesn't necessarily mean he's a wolf. Outside of the three specific players I think are wolves, he's probably the next best lynch. But I would prefer three others first
Also Aubrey is a lock villager. I put some brainwork into her characteristics and am confident she's not a wolf. The short of it is that she cares about playing wolf, so if she ever vanishes for long periods of time or if she pops in to give 30 mins of feelings then pops off, she's just a villager. Hell she even does that a special. It's just not her style to care about villaging the way she cares about wolfing.
.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
I'm not sure how I want to do this. I could just tell you who my pick for the team of 3 is with some brief explanation, or I could get comprehensive and quote a bunch of stuff
Just not sure how I want to go about it
I think I should just sit on it so y'alls can squirm in ur jimmies being all like "omg what if im one of his picks nooooooes i dont wanna dieeeee"
If we had an in-game vig role, I'd shoot you now, just for kicks.
lol
@daven
I empathize. I recently had a stretch of 5 straight turbos where I lived through D2 and my votes were on exactly 1 wolf and the seer all five games.
My recommendation is for seers to stop playing wolfy and for vanillagers to provide better seer cover
@rong
My thought was that a wolf doesn't give a fk about putting heat on a seer candidate so the thought is villagery. Now you could argue that a clever wolf might actually post something Kiel that to look villagery, but if he's telling the truth, it's a villagery thought.
Then it occurred to me that if he stopped himself from making the post he might as well keep it to himself. I think you had the same reaction.
Ultimately, I agree with Daven's defense. Wolves don't need to differentiate between wolf and seer and will probably already be onto those signals. It would help villagers if they stepped up their wolf game, so to speak, and be conscious of who might be a special.
Phone posting -- "Kiel" above should be "like"
I am actually playing 4 games at once, this one included
I've concluded that gabe is stuck in a tunnel on me, and his accusations against me aren't logical so I'm gonna ignore him and focus on the rest of the thread.
I actually think that daven thinking he might be outing the seer and then posting itt that he was doing it shows a slight lack of self/thread awareness that I think would be really tough for a wolf to make. So that's a read I can make without meta.
Yay monstrman.
Oh everyone already made that read...
Well I'm perceptive.
@dhuber I don't get coached. I'm good enough at this game to float on my own as a wolf (yes I realize how bad this looks posting and I don't care) so if I were on a team with anyone I wouldn't need coaching.
@keybored
When I said that the Ong nom was elite I meant for us. The wolves whiffed on what was apparently a special/Cursed hunt. Only better result would have been for them to hit the miller
Wuf why are you beating around the bush. Thread is pretty dead so you have full attention, which is why I assume you're doing this
I'm actually with Rong
I REQUEST A 1-TIME DAY VIG
4 games Mpnstr? U whore
Decided I'm not going to back it up textually. I can if people want though
Wolves are Daven/Baudib/Gabe
Are they really? Probably not. Why? Because the team makes too much sense. Even though I have pushed for Daven like he's a lockwolf, I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that Baud and Gabe are wolves while Daven is not
Case for Daven: His first 48 hours were extremely wolfy. Ong even said "wow Daven is a wolf". If we take the MMM/Daven wagons to mean anything (according to how Ong wanted to look at them), they suggest Daven is a wolf. Continuation of this moves me into Baud
Case for Baud: Did anybody look at the stuff he said/did about MMM and Daven? He contradicted the hell out of himself. He planted himself on Daven early (which is very smart wolfing if they're both wolves) and everything he said about the strength of either Daven or MMM being baddies depended on how close it looked like Daven was to being lynched. I am wholly unconvinced that he thinks Daven is a baddy. He has dropped so many contradictions on the issue, but he has also been smart about it. Furthermore, homey is ghosting me like crazy. I have come down with a sense that Baud is trying to play me.
Case for Gabe: Bolded Monstr right out of the gate (with just one mediocre reason), yet has kept doubling and tripling down and coming up with new reasons and saying they're his old reasons. I'm just not buying it. Monstr looks very village here, and Gabe looks like he normally does when he's wolfing. Furthermore, for no apparent reason, he has abandoned his view of Daven being very likely wolf, as well as agreeing with me in ways that I don't think are organic (the same way Baudib is)
Frankly I'm not obsessed with ww anymore. I've had enough clutch vil wins and couldn't get wolf if my life depended on it. So if I'm totally wrong on this wolf team, I don't really give a shit. At least I'm trying to play mildly okay.
rescind daven lynch baud
At this point I think Baud is the most likely wolf. He's playing in such a way that I describe classic wolf. He's "managing" way too much. He has no convictions. Besides, it's obvious nobody wants to lynch Daven
Something a wolf would say. Killing vilong is never "elite" for the village. He's a big asset when vilQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
What happened is you guys just whiffed on what you thought was obvious special (he really did look like a special), and your ITT comments reflect that. A villager doesn't expect the first nom to be so bad that a special dies, but a wolf who was convinced they found a special does
lol wuf
All that buildup for that?
I'm actually pretty certain that I'm one of only 2 players out of their wolf range this game.
Actually you might be right on Gabe/Daven but I'm less convinced on Daven.
How exactly am I "ghosting" you? and why would a wolf do that?
TBH my obsession with ww has dwindled. I think modding is way more fun than playing, and I don't get much kick out of playing epic village games anymore since I've done several in the past and I know I'm not in a mindset now where I can do it againQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Actually, I could do it again, I just don't want to. It's a wracking experience
You have more experience than most here. You're in the best position to deliberately play "out of his range". But, um, dude you're out of your vil range even moreso. Your FTR vil range is fucking ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Funny how that works. All I ask is that people just go over your posts relating to Daven. They have been so weird. You basically think he's a great wolf candidate then in the next breath are meh on him. And today you have no reason to think he's not a wolf, yet here you are saying meh againQuote:
Actually you might be right on Gabe/Daven but I'm less convinced on Daven.
You've been agreeing with some of my shit that I do not think you normally would.Quote:
How exactly am I "ghosting" you? and why would a wolf do that?
Damn...this be good. When Baud posted that Elite clarification, I was like Say Wha? But I couldn't reach the itch. Wuf scratched it just right here. I still like Wuf as a Wolf so I don't know why he says this unless it's an just obv stmt.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Baudib: "lol wuf. All that buildup for that?"
Wait! Really? Like for realz Wuf? This was your drumroll moment to explain the meaning of life?? Sigh...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
LYNCH WUF
I hope to god you got seer'd
Wuf, any time a vanillager gets nommed in lieu of the seer, it is a win for the village. Ong himself would tell you that getting nommed n1 is about as much value as he could provide for the village.
He was the first person to I ever saw say this, it was in the game I subbed in for Eric. I'll find you the quote if you'd like.
Also, games on POG are based almost entirely on the fact that vanillagers must pretend to be the seer. Hence "LOLWolves" when a vanillager gets killed.
I actually don't believe I have to explain this part to you. I also appreciated the Ong nom because it stopped me from tinfoiling on an Ong-Key pairing again. Most of the wolf points I gave Key were based solely on that possibility.
Re: Daven, my stance/progression on Daven had been excruciatingly clear. And the Ong nom also weighs heavily in an adjustment on that thinking.
If you have questions about it, feel free to ask; I invite everyone to read all of my posts on Daven.
I think Daven still has > rand wolf equity but he's quite a bit down from lock wolf territory IMO.
I'm handing underground again in ~10 mins, if you have any Qs ask quickly, otherwise I'll be back on tonight.
What the hell does that mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I could use a peek on BId or Aubrey myself.
Yah...half the gang be ofo this wknd it seems. Feels like we're trying to wipe our ass with the left hand so far...
Yes plz reread all his postsQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
After last game, the only seer who doesnt' look you up n1 is a seer who doesnt' know what he's doingQuote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
I wonder if POG players realize that this dynamic means that villagers are pawns and don't matter except in their sacrifice for their bettersQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Since we're doing this, I guess I'll put declarations out on all
D to the H Mux: Vilface. Read his posts
BUD: He cares little in the beginning therefore he has a role that does not interest him. If he's a wolf and he wins then we can just do what we always do and not acknowledge it.
Lucu: Good player. His logic is wuffy without any of the wacky. I have no opinion except that he's a reasonable motherfucker and if we are to ever catch him wolfing it will be because we say "hey look at that unreasonable motherfucker"
Ung: Dead
Wuf: Undead
Bugrud: Who? Nobody has an iota of a hint of a clue of what his wolf game looks like.
Buudub: Dude is managing way to hard. Wolves manage because they have to be open to all options
JuKuDS: Too inactive to be a wolf. If he's a wolf we're gonna be like "wait JKDS was playing?"
Kuuth: Keith is Keith and nobody gets Keith. His logic is on point so far, and even though he has shown chinks in his wolf armor, they have yet to be exploited
Duvun: Hey dude if you're a villager you should maybe act like a villager
Uubruy: Village. Probably the seer. She don't care
Kuyburud: Have him leaning vil but not against his lynch, as weird as that sounds
MMM: Villager who thought the first six letters in his PM were c, u, r, s, e, and d
Gubu: Classic wolf
Munstrmun: Playing like a guy who got villager on a forum he doesn't play at
Rung: Villager. Ong even said so
WUF...what sux is that I'll never get back the 2 minutes of my life that I spent reading this garbage. Plz go back to your secluded self and spare us the melodrama.
Sounds like I hit a soft spot
Wuf:
My first impression on reading that list is that I actually don't hate it.
Then when I read it again I realized you're not even saying anything.
Then I look at it a third time and I think it reads like you carefully edited it down to not say anything and then ran it through a Google-to-Wuf translator to give it correct tone.
Wuf, if you randed wolf how would it different from your villager game, in your opinion? Given that no one has any idea what your wolf game looks like.
Real talk comments to anyone else:
1. Given seemingly random order, if you told me Wuf was a wolf and I couldn't read any other posts he made, this list probably indicates that JKDS is his wolfbro (middle of list, slight villa lean based on ... non-activity?).
2. The thing that is alarming from his "reads" is the fact that Wuf is giving a free pass to the low-post count people. From what I can recall from past village games, Wuf has always been among the proponents of "let's lynch or at least put pressure on the inactives."
and Wuf you honestly don't have any real feel for my meta in either role. We were V-V in 2 games, one in which I was admittedly godawful and tunneled you and you were convinced I was a wolf and thought I actually admitted it. I was alive for 2 game days. The other I got modkilled 1/3 of the way into D1.
And the comment that I'm playing out of my range is, well, weird. It tells me that you don't even understand the concept of range. Anyway, I used to think I needed to balance but the truth is I've given up on it. I have what I think is a pretty large wolf range, there are probably a billion things that I could legitimately do in either role (i'm spazzy as both) but I'll tell you there are a number of things I've done this game that I don't do as a wolf and are hugely -EV for any wolf to do:
1. As a wolf I'm not trying to get villager Ong to go hard in the paint. Because if I'm a wolf, what did getting Ong's head into the game earn me? I didn't get my preferred D1 lynch (Daven).
2. I don't consider the implications of the nom and that it points to Ong possibly being correct. Of course as a wolf I know why Ong was killed and wouldn't openly speculate about it, and try to just ignore the topic.
3. If I'm a wolf knowing that MMM is headed for a no-contest lynch I'd just let it go and probably hop on pretty early, when he only had 2-3 votes. I don't spend most of D1 trying to point out why I think MMM could be a villager, and I especially don't try to change the minds of people I think are villagers.
4. I really don't have evolving reads as a wolf. I have a couple of voting patterns as a wolf, and I can give you examples if you'd like, and if that helps you catch me in a future game then good for you.
You should take this as a compliment: what you say you do/would do as a wolf is bad wolfing. I'm assuming you have some skill
If you're a villager, then this is the kind of thing we have a fundamental disagreement on. You're looking at something that is super irrelevant and gives virtually no information about role, while I'm looking at some deeper themes at the core of playQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I straight up do not believe you on Daven. I have watched everything you've said about him and done about him, and none of it makes sense if you actually believed it. Your position on Daven looks like the purest hedge there ever was. It looks like you just want people to think you think he's a wolf, but you hope he doesn't die
Here's a thing I tell people when I'm getting heat as a villager: Often on POG people say, "OMG baudib is frozen." that's because the thread moves at rapid-fire pace and it works more or less like a chat room than a forum thread. So when someone is frozen it means, "they're struggling to find anything to say."
I've said this countless times and I will send you links in games where I was a villager: I literally never struggle to post as a wolf. My post counts are higher as a wolf! Because it is easy for me to randomly say any b.s. as a wolf, and being constantly active takes heat off you.
I know this sounds stupid because I'm the leading poster by a mile here, but my post rate as a wolf is probably around 10/hour.
As a villager I take more time to think about things and figure them out.
It is not irrelevant. In fact it is almost a word-for-word statement that one of my favorite wolfhunters made in a recent game, and he was dead on about the guy being a wolf and his wolf-bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
in b4 wolves in this game start making up lists with their partners at the top and bottom, btw.
Jesus F. Christ. Can you be more specific about what you don't believe? I thought the dude was insanely wolfy on D1, I was the first one to point it out, and I was basically lolcatting with half the shit he said. Specifically the post about Ong, which I addressed. I mean I am shocked that Wolf Daven would out himself on D1 like that, but maybe he didn't expect to get caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
In any event, he sounds quite a bit better today and I noted in real time when I could that he was making better posts.
Do you not think that there is now slowly accumulating evidence that Daven could be a villager?
Actually that is accurate. I assumed you meant something else. But yes if you know somebody is a wolf, any list he makes is likely to have a lower percentage than average of fellow wolves on the edges. Unless he knows about that tendencyQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Wuf, I am happy to have a discussion about theoretical WW play off-thread, after-the-game. I don't want to have it here.
I will tell you that I've actually been arguing with Monstr about how our villages have been burned by poorly executed seer cover.
You just contradicted yourself in this post aloneQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
You acknowledged that Daven "outed himself on d1" and then said he's starting to sound better. Um? The latter is irrelevant if the former is believed. You don't actually believe what you say you did. Otherwise you would want him dead and be working towards it
You agreed with me so much about how good of a lynch Daven is. Weirdly, you were totally cool with me wanting to wait until d2, yet then d2 comes and you're mums the word.
I don't really care how you say you play on other forums, because in my experience, players who "manage" the play and contradict their own reads like you're doing are usually wolves
I've seen no logic from you for why you have shifted your opinions. I have only seen opportunism. In fact, I haven't even seen you shift your opinions, just your weird inability to act on your opinions
Wuf, I've said it like 3 times this game, but my way of finding villagers and wolves is to average in the new information with the old.
On D1 I had Daven at approximately 95% wolf, given what's happened today I've got him at around 65%. That is not contradiction. That's processing new information.
I'd actually still prefer lynching Daven over Keybored, by quite a bit.
Sticking with my stone-cold lock wolf read from D1 is what led me astray the game I was utterly convinced you were a wolf.
There's been a lot of evidence and if you're ignoring it, that just tells me that you're being inflexible with your reads or being stupid.