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if somebody else wants to make count as well, just in case i get it wrong
30 votes for Wufwugy
Boog 3
Stacks 4
Shotty 5
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Sorry that I can't give you a good death, Shotty
The Living
bigred
boog
chelle
crazzvette
gator
jkds
kiwimark
nightgizmo
ongbonga
stacks
tlr
vinland
The Dead
JustinSKS Werewolf lynched on Day 1
Rong Vampire nom'd by Werewolves on Night 1
Joker131 Sorcerer modkilled on Night 1
OngBonga Seer lynched on Day 2
Jackvance Werewolf killed by Vampires on Night 2
Jyms Vampire shot by Vigilante on Night 2
OngBonga Spawned Villager revived by Necromancer on Night 2
Bikes Villager lynched on Day 3
Pascal Villager nom'd by Werewolves on Night 3
Necromancer Shotglass lynched on Day 4
The Village
1 Werewolf
1 Turncoat Werewolf
1 Vampire
1 Turncoat Vampire
1 Vigilante
1 Spawned Villager
6 Villagers
It is now Night 4. Vampire and Vigilante please PM with your picks before this time tomorrow. Y'all may talk, but no hunting
You guys suck
Oh hi bigred, nice of you to show up.
I should make something clear
Spawned Villager OngBonga will die at the end of Day 5. So everybody knows I'm not changing rules around, I put this in the intro. The Necro's spawn gets a full day after the Necro's death, no more no less
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Originally Posted by bikes
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Originally Posted by Stacks
Lynch JKDS
Sorry Wuf! Forgot it was night!
I was just excited I was alive, I guess.
Stacks gets shot in the face and Chelle's blood gets sucked out
Sorry I can't do no nifty story
The Living
bigred
boog
crazzvette
gator
jkds
kiwimark
nightgizmo
ongbonga
tlr
vinland
The Dead
JustinSKS Werewolf lynched on Day 1
Rong Vampire nom'd by Werewolves on Night 1
Joker131 Sorcerer modkilled on Night 1
OngBonga Seer lynched on Day 2
Jackvance Werewolf killed by Vampires on Night 2
Jyms Vampire shot by Vigilante on Night 2
OngBonga Spawned Villager revived by Necromancer on Night 2
Bikes Villager lynched on Day 3
Pascal Villager nom'd by Werewolves on Night 3
Necromancer Shotglass lynched on Day 4
Turncoat Werewolf Stacks shot by Vigilante on Night 4
Chelle Villager killed by Vampires on Night 4
The Village
1 Werewolf
1 Vampire
1 Turncoat Vampire
1 Vigilante
1 Spawned Villager
5 Villagers
It is now Day 5. OngBonga will die automatically at the end of this Day. 6 votes to lynch
Fucking yes, Vigilante! Well done!
lynch boog
Hmmmm, that vote may not make sense. What does Stax implicate here?
Turncoat knows who the other guy is but not vice versa, right? He tips the scales to save Boog while having plausible deniability? Is that a word?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stacks
What's the chances he expected to get shot in the face?
I know this may sound really crazy, but after reading the last few pages I think Boog may be the werewolf. I am going to look through some of the early posts but their interactions really look to me like they were trying to put up a ton of cover for each other (naturally this is dependent upon Boog picking up earlier in the game that he thought Stacks was the turncoat). If I look over the earlier posts and don't see the hints or can't make a connection he flips to firm villager in my book.
I also COMPLETELY agree with Shotty's post that JKDS' last minute flip to make a 3 way tie was very suspicious. Why would a villager do that?
Chelle needs to start at least making an effort to try and figure things out because the whole "this is my first game" crap does not help the village. Even if your logic is flawed you need to start putting some thoughts out there. Same thing with Kiwi.
I have thought for a long time that vinland is a baddie and still think that.
Based on the last few pages I am starting to think bigred could be a villager.
TLR and nightgizmo don't stand out in any way and that scares me.
Well I made it to page 9 when it became apparent that Stacks was not trying to throw Boog any hints so forget that theory. My top suspect right now is Vinland and if he turns out to be the other turncoat I think I may know who the other vampire is.
Well done Vig
Village - you suck; it was very obvious that Shotty was a villager and Stacks was a baddy
Good advice Gator, but a bit too late since she died last nightQuote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
JKDS just pivoted to the top of the baddy list, as I said it was very clear that she is a villager and a very likely special, and JKDS probably picked on that, when it was clear that as a villager he would vote stacks
There is a chance that JKDS is the other turncoat protecting boog, and as I said I think that the baddy protected by Stax is a noob, Chelle was my top choice, but now it is probably Crazz or Vinland, I will have to go back thru Stacks posts to see if there are any hints
in the meanwhile lynch JKDS
Lynch JKDS because that shit was fishy.
Vig is awesome.
Gonna have a good read today, but I'll say this now... boog is a villager, I'm as sure about him as I was chelle and shotty.
Those on the boog wagon who showed up after the lynch... bigred and crazv... very suspicious. Where were they when I was saying boog is a villager?
Chelle nom is just weird. No threat, picking up votes... vamp is vinland or crazv imo.
There's two other ldfo villagers imo also (besides me), so I see three wolves hiding in a pool of six.
boog wagon sucks today, I cannot emphasise that enough.
Right now I'd say jkds, bigred and crazv all make good choices for today. Will see what a reread of the thread does to change that view. Expect a tl;dr post from me at some stage during this ww day.
Also, try not to snap lynch JKDS before I get to read the thread please lol. I'm a dead man after this day ends.
@TLR -
Why is boog still suspicious to you? Does not not fake out always before going to sleep? Or is this read just too thin? Because seriously, it nails his role for me.
That was supposed to be crazyvQuote:
Originally Posted by TLR
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...NAM-STYLE1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
BOOYAH MOTHER FUCKERS
Games in the bag now, wolves and vamps be screwed. Ive reached my time condition folks!!!
http://www.deviantart.com/download/1...lz-d31pmuj.gif
"JKDS: You are the secret role: The Wufinator. You are a villager, however, upon reaching Day 5 all attempts to kill you have a 50% chance of failing".
^^paraphrase, no rule violation imo
So suck it baddies! Shoulda killed the useless jkds while you had the chance!
Also re tie post: Yall are dumb. I got unlucky and no one but stacks and shotty attempted to drive the lynch anywhere and both are dead now. Look
Did anyone think all 3 were town? (I didnt buy ong's town reads at all)
Suppose someone....lets say gator....came out of nowhere and broke the tie. Useful info huh? We dont get much when its only the lynchee's moving their votes, but id guess stack's switch to shotglass effected the vig's choice.
Ill be around this afternoon to actually analyze the thread. Weekend = omg no lawschool, so expect a mountain of posts now that ive survived till today.
Were you required to reveal this on day 5?
Boog is always suspecious to me, but i am not sure he is a villager mainly because JKDS seems to be protecting him (relative to their history)Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I will resync JKDS until you will make your mega post
Why should we believe such a role exists?Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Agree with JKDS and crazz, dont think BR is a baddy, Vinland is a much better choiceQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
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Originally Posted by jackvance
"confused" seems to be a common theme here.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
6.12pm that post was, then at 6.36pm...Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
A quick change of heart from gizmo there.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
This too could be a turncoat throwing a hint.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
End of day one. Just getting started lol. Based on the info I picked up from there, I'd say gator, gizmo and crazv all look most suspect, but jkds is not off the hook yet, I mean this guy is usually top of the post count with me, I can't figure out what's with jkds this game.
More later.
Just as a note to self... I got to post #161
I just took a good read through the thread and think there is a greater than 70% chance that crazyv is the last vampire, but need to take another look through to see if I can spot the turncoat (assuming I am right here of course).
@ong, you have played with me enough to know that I am too smart as a baddie to be on the same page as my fellow baddies. I tried the "in your face" attempt once and it failed miserably.
Can't leave this alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
FU BIKKLES I SOULREAD WOLVES ON DAY TWO. BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I wonder why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stacks
Got to end of day two, start of page 8. Day two is mostly jv and stacks looking wolfy as fuck. Not much use to us right now.
This is the picutre I'm getting...
gator = vamp turncoat
crazv = wolf
last vamp could be one of jkds, vinland or gizmo.
Well I have you pegged as the last turncoat, so you don't know that jv is a wolf, and you're unable to discuss tactics, so you're playing your own game. Lots more to read yet so I won't be pushing for your lynch just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
This may be a silly question but i was just wandering something ? Say the villagers win this game , do we get some kind of prize or special freeroll or something ? Not to make this sound like i'm just playing this for it thou . It's been fun and a blast reading and watching how this is unfolding and playing out . This is like one of my favorite shows as survivor and big brother .
Why do people hate crazz again?
I love boog.
lynch TLR
I'm not the turncoat nor a baddie Ong, but feel free to run a lynch on me today. Without a seer in the game I will always be on several wolfish short lists so maybe the best bet is to lynch me now to avoid the distraction later.
I do have to say though that you are wrong about one point. The turncoat DOES know who the wolf is, but the wolf doesn't know who the turncoat is.
I am suspicious of her because I think her "I don't know what is going on" style is a planned tactic to keep her out of trouble. I also think Jyms tried to gain some separation from her in the very beginning of the game just in case she got caught.
Another flaw in your thinking Ong is that I would point a finger at a wolf/vamp as a hint that I am the turncoat.
The remaining turncoat would not know jv was a wolf. Gator you're smart enough to figure out why that is, stop pretending you're missing my point.
Your post "This could definitely be a turncoat throwing a hint." is absolutely the kind of post I would expect a turncoat gator to make.
Our biggest lead right now is... who the fuck noms chelle?
rescind boog, lynch crazzvette
She's not helping, is linked to other players, etc, etc
Plus, we must rid this town of all the wimenz.
Ahhh, I gotcha now. I didn't look close enough to notice that you were trying to tie me, Rong (a vampire) and JV (a wolf) together because we all made that kind of comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Forgot to mention that Day 5 ends at 3PM Monday
Agree with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Although I don't disagree that she was not helping I do disagree that she was linked to other players, etc. etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Chelle took some pretty big heat early in the day yesterday and her lack of input would have been enough for me (as a vampire) to keep her around. I would have probably targeted either TLR or Bigred. Personally I think the vamp was werewolf hunting.
Here's a question. Do we try to find and lynch the last vampire right now or focus on the wolves? If we lynch the last vampire the village only loses a person every other night (Wuf doesn't say anything about one group getting nightly kills if the other group dies out), but on the other hand if we focus on finding either the wolf or turncoat there is a probability that one team hits the other team.
Since we have all weekend I thought it would be best to discuss the options because I really think Crazyv is the last vampire but am not sure if it makes sense to lynch her today.
Thoughts?
Or vig hunting. Chelle was on my shortlist of potential vig's after she tried to lynch a dead jyms. Figured it might be an attempt to distance herself from the shot.Quote:
Personally I think the vamp was werewolf hunting.
Thinking more about stacks' late flip last night... he knows doing that is going to get himself shot, so why did he do it? Either...
1. he knew shotty was special,
or 2. boog is the wolf and he was protecting both himself and boog from the flip.
As much as I think boog's lack of outing last night suggests strongly he's a villager, boog will also know that a fake outing is not going to keep him alive for long, so maybe better to sit back and wait, especially if he thinks stacks is his turncoat and will throw a late flip in to kill of shotty.
I really don't know about boog. There's evidence for him being wolf and villager. Tough spot.
The chelle nom points strongly at crazvette for me. Maybe someone like gator is smart enough to know this is what some people will think. Either noob wolf, or smart wolf trying to look like a noob.
Gonna have a read through day three once I've eaten.
That's a good point about noms. If we kill the last wolf, and the vamps only get a nom every other night, this is clearly optimal. But if the vamps will nom every night, then much better to leave one from each team if possible.
If one baddy team fully dies, the other will take over nightly kills. I thought I specified this somewhere, but couldn't find it either. Also living turncoats take over their team kills if they're the last one left. Basically, as long as a baddy remains, a nightly kill remains
I definitely agree here. I will have to re-read things but vaguely remember seeing Stacks go pretty hard at Boog at one time (I think around page 8 or 9) and couldn't see him doing that as the turncoat.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Also the turncoat no longer counts as a villager. I didn't think that one through; it doesn't make sense if the game is down to something like 2 villagers, 1 vampire, and 1 turncoat vampire because at best the lynch on that day will just be a flip, and that's no way to end a game. So in that situation the vampires will win the game.
wassup with the mid game rule changes? :mad::mad::mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
(I was actually surprised that wasn't spelled out as it is usually how it works).
There may still be some value in killing off the last wolf if we can figure that out as we could rule out team hunting in the nightly noms (and there is a slight chance the vamp hits the turncoat).
On the other hand team hunting may help the village as the wolf may have a better shot at hitting the vamp or turncoat than just the vamp hitting the turncoat.
IIRC when Rilla did the turncoat role he said they count as villagers, and since he knows what he's doing I just rolled with that. But getting down to the nitty gritty, turncoats have to count as baddies if you want the final day to be something other than a silly flip
I took today off from work and I haven't been around my computer at all until now (recovering from some drinking last night), and I have to run to dinner soon. I'm caught up reading the thread, and my first impressions are:
JKDS -- is this a preemptive fake-outing? He had to realize that he's going to be the most likely lynch today after being so quiet all game and then changing his vote last minute yesterday.
We still have suspicious, quiet people that are active enough to pop in and post pure fluff, but not bothering to provide any analysis or thoughts: kiwi and crazz.
I might have some time tonight after dinner to read through the thread, I'll post more later this weekend.
I'ts not fluff , it's being lost in the game . How to figure who is who on what is said and done is confusing . Even thou i love the game just as survivor and big brother , i know very well that i wouldn't last 2 days in either game . Got to admit it thou , always great to watch .
Just got home, answering questions first, then participation!
No. Revealing does a few things thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
1) turns me into a Night kill target
i wasnt previously. I intentionally played in a manner that would not get me night killed and also wouldnt get me lynched. Now im going to be a force and a big problem for them. Either they let reg jkds live till endgame, or they have to gambol in attacking me and potentially waste a kill. Basically, i think they're forced to try and kill me now. Had i not outed, id have to be 100% right with my reads to draw a night kill and, while i think im good, im not that good.
2) Prevents a mislynch
Go after wolves/vamps, becasue im a villager. I can still die if im unlucky during a lynch, so id rather you guys not waste one and potentially kill me. Insert conspiracy theory here, but id be lying if self preservation wasnt a reason to out. Ldo it is, thats why people out.
Because i told you it does, and i told you im it. Does it seem overpowered? Underpowered? What reason do you have for it not too? Wuf played in both spectacularrr games, im not surprised he inserted a secret role, and there may be more.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLR
You're awfully quick to discredit me. Im watching you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
Incoming super long post!
JKDS has stax syndrome, imo
Good to see Gator involved again, if he is a villager this will be very helpful
Regarding who should we target - wolves or vamps, I think our primary concern is to go with the one we think is the highest chance of being a baddy, regardless of which team he is, and I dont think it really matter, assuming we can hit someone, there are two cases
1 wolf & 1 vamp: one team can hit the other
1 vamp & 1 turncoat vamp: vamp can hit the turncoat
Ong, I think you put too much stock on your view that Boog will fake out, he ha two option to out himself
1. As vig, then the vig will shoot him at night
2. As necromancer, who does not have any special powers so the only lose to the village is Ong dying, then the real necromancer will know he is baddy. His best option was just continue to claim he is a villager and hope the dice roll his way
So not fake outing does not make him a villager.
What do we make out of JKDS day 5 outing?
Regarding the Chelle nom, I agree it was some sort of special hunting, I dont know how much we can make of it
I can get behind a JKDS or crazz lynch right now
So JKDS wasn't just blabbering shit?
This looks interesting... certainly JKDS picked up a role because he's playing so weird.
Most definitely, JKDS should not be lynched now, and if he's to be believed, well this helps us narrow the wolf pool.
I'm going through day three and vinland is really looking wolfy to me. More so because earlier in the game he was making some decent posts for a noob, but he's gone quiet since the last vamp/wolf is alone, and really all he's done is shadow the opinion of the confirmed villager.
bigred... usual light-hearted stuff from him, looks like a villager to me.
boog... I really don't know. My read on him being a villager based on not outing is flawed.
crazzvette... suspect
gator... suspect
jkds... well this new shit is interesting
kiwimark... villager
nightgizmo... I think villager
tlr... villager
vinland... wolf imo
I think we're looking at a pool of four... boog, crazvette, gator and vinland
note - page 12
@TLR... I think we should give JKDS the benefit of the doubt for now, see how it pans out. Him having an unknown special role explains his style of play, so let's see where it goes imo,
I went thru all Stax posts for the first 12 pages, If I had to guess who he is trying to protect it would be boog, he also mentions explicitly once or twice that he is not trying to protect boog which is a very strange statement to make.
Regarding JKDS, I dont know what to make out of such a role if it indeed exists
- lets take the worst case scenario and assume that JKDS is a wolf or vampire - this role may grant him some immunity from the villagers who believe his special roles, as for the baddies, they have to get everyone else killed anyway, so why go for JKDS, this may grant him some immunity from the wolves / vamps.
I agree that there may be secret roles, although I think that in past games it was known beforehand that there are secret roles (not sure about it now).
Anyway, going to sleep now, we have three more days, lets try to get some discussion in this time and not make any hasty lynchs
Ok just did a read through. Im sold on a few guys
Gator:Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
These posts are consecutive. Gator is very likely to be the Vamp TC. No vote count analysis is available since Jyms/rong both got NK'd, but his votes on jyms look fake. In addition, it is very unlikely gator is the full vamp based on the chelle kill. Either TC or not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
NightGizmo: Theres a lot on him.
First, NG leaves Justin off his list of noobs to kill day1.
Stacks quotes NG's post and adds that Justin is also a noob. This was early in the thread but quoting quotes is hard. That was also stax's first post and i think was a hint to the wolf team.
After some heat on justin, NG adds that he might be a good kill along with joker.
After much more heat and a large wagon on justin, NG finally votes him
Boog mentions stacks being quiet, NG says the same later.
I start a wagon on JV(wolf) for not voting justin (wolf). Stacks steers the convo away from that line of thought, and towards those that did vote for justin instead. Thus protecting JV. Night gizmo later backs up this idea, and is possibly an attempt to preserve JV as well.
Note: the only people left alive who didnt vote for justin are TLR and Bigred, though im pretty sure the last wolf is NG and stacks was only protecting him and not these two.
Later on, NG says
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
This is when stacks has votes and is getting heat, and is a clear attempt to steer away from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
I think NG is the last wolf.
In terms of kill analysis, this fits the profile of a reg.
Crazy Vette: Not much, mostly fluff. When she did post in the early game, it was rule questions. Wolf kills dont fit profile of someone as...lets say confused...as her. So maybe vamp? Noob kills are clear on that side, but Rong went out of his way to answer her newb questions, both he and jyms voted her, and if shes the vamp then she killed chelle.
I saw sisterhood between the two of them, so no. Gut read is useless villager ala BID.
Boog: Lynch boog!!!
Rescind boog, im just kidding! Im null on boog. Heres why.
1) He had a big back and forth between stax and him. Theres some sketchy voting here, but ultimately they wall against each other. Wall wars are very hard to do as baddies imo, so i doubt he is the wolf.
2) Boog is reg, so chelle kill doesnt make a ton of sense. I didnt explain that yet i guess, but chelle had a lot of heat and so would likely have been a target today. Her death means someone wasnt looking at that, and that doesnt sit with boog. Hes inactive, but hes still here.
Ong has that "would have fake outted" argument as well...which holds some weight. Its not confirmation, but it leads him towards the townie side. Could he be the turncoat? Idk, i dont really see anything regarding him and Jyms/Rong or either with anyone else. So i have no idea. maybe? Gator fits that spot better. There is simply nothing to suggest he is the TC from what i read.
TLR: Null. He made a post during shotty's lynch that made me feel like he figured out she was a special role or something, but there was no reason to say that in thread. He had some reluctance in lynching stax, then lynched him when stax got a wagon, but then backed off, but then was back on and pushing the wagon later. So idk on that aspect. If he had no clue about shotty's potential role then maybe hes a wolf. Hes a survivor that didnt vote justin as well. Idk, this isnt a good argument. I feel like these facts matter, but dont justify a lynch.
Thats mostly what i got.
TLDR:
Boog: null, dont lynch. TLR: Null dont lynch.
Gator, Gizmo lock baddies.
Crazy v: villager.
Unknowns: Bigred: some evidence he could be a wolf, not much though.
Kiwi: Rong buddies him at a point, but then votes him. Idk, interaction seemed weird.
Vinland: voted wolves and vamps. probably villager.
@Wuf: Seperate post just for you!
Lynch Gizmo
Yay welcome to the game JKDS!
I missed gizmo's "confused" post during my reread, maybe I'm yet to get there. I'm pretty sure stacks used the word "clusterfuck" somewhere too. Wolves like to sew the seed of confusion subtlely, dan and jv have both done this, as pointed out in my post earlier. We can add gator and gizmo to that list. Wouldn't it be sick if all five of them were wolves making "confused" comments? We know three of them are baddies so far.
JKDS is telling the truth about his role imo, if he's not well he had this planned from the very beginning. His notes look like villager notes to me, so if he's a baddie, well this is an awesome play that probably deserves to win lol.
I also like that he's going after gizmo first, before gator. Gator is too good to just lynch on a whim, I think he's a baddie too but I really don't want to be responsible for running a train on a villager gator unless there's a real good reason for it.
I'm in no hurry to put my vote in, I think we need this day to run its course.
I'm very interested in the chelle kill
Doesn't make sense unless the wolf is clueless or trying to misdirect
I'm out of town so hard to catch up on stuff on the phone
There are things I don't get like gators newfound posting or crazz pretending to try and figure this out, ie no more talk of us eating her pie
Bit of a crossroads bc I feel some haven't really done much to solidify villager status but it could be part of greater strategy that I don't get
I guess the problem with being a good wolf is that you always look suspicious, even when you are just a regular villager.
Like I said earlier it may make sense to just go ahead and lynch me so you guys can take another "realistic" look at patterns and such.
Personally though I think either Vinland or crazyv make MUCH better options.
One final thought is that those who fall squarely in the middle end up being bad guys more often than not.
JKDS' huge ego has caused him to create a role for himself in an effort to completely level the village and claim bragging rights. There is no reason for us to believe such a role exists. Wufwugy would've mentioned secret roles at the beginning. The cake is a lie!
Per-point comments inline. I feel like JKDS is twisting my words, purposely using quotes out of context.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDSNightGizmo: Theres a lot on him.
First, NG leaves Justin off his list of noobs to kill day1. I just skimmed through the signup thread looking for people that said they were new, justin never said it was his first time playing.
Stacks quotes NG's post and adds that Justin is also a noob. This was early in the thread but quoting quotes is hard. That was also stax's first post and i think was a hint to the wolf team. Interesting theory... Impossible to refute without knowing I'm a villager.
After some heat on justin, NG adds that he might be a good kill along with joker. After what heat? After wuf told us that there were no modkills, I was the one that suggested joker and justin as the two possibilities -- before anyone bolded justin.
After much more heat and a large wagon on justin, NG finally votes him. Counting from when Ong/boog flipped to justin, I was the 4th vote for him -- I don't think that having 3 votes out of a necessary 11 to lynch means that I was piling on an obvious bandwagon.
Boog mentions stacks being quiet, NG says the same later. I don't get it -- I'm following boog now? Or it's suspicious when anyone makes a comment about stacks?
I start a wagon on JV(wolf) for not voting justin (wolf). Stacks steers the convo away from that line of thought, and towards those that did vote for justin instead. Thus protecting JV. Night gizmo later backs up this idea, and is possibly an attempt to preserve JV as well.
My actual response:
I agreed with one point in Stacks' post, that the voting order might yield some interesting info. But I disagreed with stacks that Ong was a good choice -- I felt the end of the wagon was more interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
Note: the only people left alive who didnt vote for justin are TLR and Bigred, though im pretty sure the last wolf is NG and stacks was only protecting him and not these two.
Later on, NG says
This is when stacks has votes and is getting heat, and is a clear attempt to steer away from him. I like how you leave out the rest of my post, where I lay out my reasons for why other people are better lynches. Instead you make it look like I wrote a "defend stacks" post.
I think NG is the last wolf.
In terms of kill analysis, this fits the profile of a reg.
Overly defensive wolf itt.
No, just pointing out that I'm being misquoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
It's also possible he's the remaining wolf, and was worried that if he fake outed as the necro then he would get nommed at night by the vamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLR
er huh
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First, NG leaves Justin off his list of noobs to kill day1. I just skimmed through the signup thread looking for people that said they were new, justin never said it was his first time playing. Really? You're a reg now, id expect you to know.
Stacks quotes NG's post and adds that Justin is also a noob. This was early in the thread but quoting quotes is hard. That was also stax's first post and i think was a hint to the wolf team. Interesting theory... Impossible to refute without knowing I'm a villager. I argue that stax would have wanted to tell his team something. Can you find another post where he does this? This post here is the only thing i saw.
After some heat on justin, NG adds that he might be a good kill along with joker. After what heat? After wuf told us that there were no modkills, I was the one that suggested joker and justin as the two possibilities -- before anyone bolded justin. Sorry, meant heat on joker. Post 81 you leave out justin from the list of newbs. Post 86 you specifically state
Wuf says no modkills, ong leads a joker lynch, it gets to 5, then you say you're alright killing them...but you dont actually vote. Then the wagon switches to justin, and your reasoning to vote now is because hes "silent + bad avatar". Thats reluctance.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
After much more heat and a large wagon on justin, NG finally votes him. Counting from when Ong/boog flipped to justin, I was the 4th vote for him -- I don't think that having 3 votes out of a necessary 11 to lynch means that I was piling on an obvious bandwagon. fair enough
Boog mentions stacks being quiet, NG says the same later. I don't get it -- I'm following boog now? Or it's suspicious when anyone makes a comment about stacks?you got me here, i thought boog said it before you.Quote:
Stacks and TLR also haven't posted yet... Stacks was a quiet wolf last time we played together, which sucked. I wouldn't mind lynching him.
I start a wagon on JV(wolf) for not voting justin (wolf). Stacks steers the convo away from that line of thought, and towards those that did vote for justin instead. Thus protecting JV. Night gizmo later backs up this idea, and is possibly an attempt to preserve JV as well.
My actual response:
I dont see your point, since this quote is what i think is suspicious :/Quote:
The entire wagon happened in a few short hours, so I don't think it's too suspicious for those that didn't vote for justin. It's definitely worth noting, but it's not a smoking gun. I want a better reason for a Day 2 lynch then "you didn't vote for the wolf on the day 1 lynch."
I was originally thinking that the later votes for justin could hold a wolf or two, piling onto the wagon when it became obvious that he was going to get lynched. But Stacks has an interesting theory, too. Curious to see Ong's reaction :smile:
I agreed with one point in Stacks' post, that the voting order might yield some interesting info. But I disagreed with stacks that Ong was a good choice -- I felt the end of the wagon was more interesting
Note: the only people left alive who didnt vote for justin are TLR and Bigred, though im pretty sure the last wolf is NG and stacks was only protecting him and not these two.
Later on, NG says
This is when stacks has votes and is getting heat, and is a clear attempt to steer away from him. I like how you leave out the rest of my post, where I lay out my reasons for why other people are better lynches. Instead you make it look like I wrote a "defend stacks" post.
Your thoughts on gator, chelle, crazyv, or whoever else was in the post are irrelevant. I dont know their role. I know stax's role. And you defended him.
I think NG is the last wolf.
In terms of kill analysis, this fits the profile of a reg.
Secret = secret o.oQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Oh yeah i forgot you did that. Boog's "Lynch JKDS" vote during night 4 basically clears him of being the Turn coat. Its way to obvious if i were to die that night that he was giving a signal, but something like that serves no other purpose but to cast suspicion on yourself.
I feel a TC boog would never openly do that, feeling that it would result in unnecessary suspicion. So boog is now confirmed villager imo
bigred
gator
kiwimark
nightgizmo
tlr
vinland
Im rethinking my crazyv theory. Dont see many noobs left. Maybe vinland? Kiwi? Meh. Its certainly possible she killed chelle, i just dont get it. I swear they were buddying.
Sigh. Rescind JKDS but know I do it begrudgingly.
This and the Chelle kill seals the deal to me. Also, her grammar is God awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stacks
Lynch Crazzette
I commented on her grammar and used "seals" instead of "seal." Whatta dumbass.
Boog sucks but his sig is cool
Why is it that he wants all the women out of the village ? First shotglass then chelle , i never wanted eighter one out or gone less alone dead , and now everyone is thinking of me . I do have to admit it's a fun and interesting game , and mostly built on speculations and a guessing game . I can't speak for people here because i'm new and this is my first game . To say that i'm a villager looks like it won't be enough and to think how or why would someone set me up for the fall for chelle is beyond me . Gonna read more into these last posts and see what or who is playing me . Still confused as usual thou .Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Actually I think either vinland or gizmo are our best choices for today.
Is there any way to confirm if a secret role existed in the game? Wuf wouldn't need to verify JKDS' story as much as confirm that at least one special role existed.
Even if JKDS has a secret role I doubt that he revealed his role, it is more likely then not that he is bluffing, and has a different win conditions then the villageQuote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
Well I've had a lazy skim through the last couple of days, will try to find more time to have a better read.
The last baddies are playing better than the ones who got shot. I haven't got a confident wolf read. I'm pretty sure TLR and kiwi are both villagers.
Most likely wolf for me is gator. I cannot emphasise enough the importance of not allowing gator to be one of the remaining three, if it gets that far. I don't think we should lynch him yet, but he knows how much of a threat he is in endgame, even as a villager it's too much of a distraction for the other villager. He understands this.
Gator must go before final day.
Bigred and crazvette, the wolfiest thing both of these two have done is turn up just after the lynch yesterday. Were they lurking and reluctant to rescind their vote? And for bigred to come in and say the village sucks... yeah, people like bigred who throw votes in and then don't reappear until 5 minutes after a special got lynched.
I'm not sold on either of those two being villagers.
boog, I have no idea.
vinland and gizmo, either or both could be wolf but I'm not sure enough to lead the charge on either. I might join gizmo's wagon if there's no better option.
And JKDS... of course he can be a wolf, but make no mistake, this move of his is no spontaneous, it is not in response to him being a target, if he's a wolf he planned this as an epic level from the very beginning. This is why I think he's honest. I knew something was up with him, but there was a part of me thinking he doesn't play wolf like that. Obv glad me and shotty failed in getting him lynched yesterday.
I also have a secret role. It's called dead sexy villager. Wasn't a very good secret role since it's no secret I'm dead sexy.
Starting to think the chelle kill was vig hunting
Gator looking most suspicious and some people have made interesting post re: gizmo
Other than that I don't have too many reads
I think I'm more open to a gizmo lynch than crazv. If craz is bad she'll f-up and kill a baddie for us anyway imo
Yeah I said that earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinland
Yeah I said that recently too.Quote:
Gator looking most suspicious
You gonna give JKDS villager cred now and showdow him, too?Quote:
...and some people have made interesting post re: gizmo
Yeah so just keep echoing the villagers.Quote:
Other than that I don't have too many reads
Seriously this is all vinland has done all game.
Can I edit showdow into shadow? That typo is gonna tilt me lol.
The only thing i have against going for vinland is that he's voted early for a bunch of wolves/vamps. Could be strategy, could not be. Idk. The shadowing thing bugs me too, but i feel theres more to suggest a gizmo wolf than a vinland wolf/vamp
idk my read on vinland is this...
Earlier on he was looking like a good, strong noob. His posts suggested he was paying attention, further, I was thinking he was an old skool reg.
Since the vamp/wolf has been alone and not in communication with the others, his posts seem to be more a case of echoing the opinion of the known villager.
Looks much to me like he was getting coached, and now his coach is gone, he's lost.
I agree with you Vinland is very suspeciousQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
My main issue right now, I dont buy the JKDS special role at all for the following reasons
1. The role does not make much sense, it does almost nothing to assist the game and only makes the endgame much more complicated
2. If there is such a role there is simply no benefit in revealing this role with very little votes cast his way so far, what is the gain revealing it and let the baddies know it
We have no way of knowing whether or not this is a geniune role, and even if there is such a role we dont know what are the win conditions fo the role.
I think the JKDS s a baddy, his gameplan was to fly under the radar in the first few days, then he took a risk trying to get shotty lynched as he correctly read her as special, and he came up with this role to do two things
1. Divert the attention from his role in getting shotty lynched
2. Try to get to endgame because the baddies will prefer to go for other targets just in case he has this role, this works perfectly in 2 bad teams, as each team would prefer the other to take the risk
3. Have another line of defense vs a lynch
lynch JKDS
also, if I am wrong there is a 50% chance he will survive
Just to clarify - I think JKDS is the turncoat
Thats ridiculous and you know it. You have my reasons. Here, ill restate.
Would wolves/vamps have nommed me prior to outting? No.
Would wolves/vamps attempt to nom me now? Maybe.
Is an attempted nom +EV for the village? Yes, because it may take away their kill and result in nothing.
Also, I specified villager in my paraphrased role pm. I win with the village :/
Why not, what makes you think they will not nom you, you are a good player and if you are a villager they should get rid of you sooner then laterQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
probably not, they have to get villagers but wolves/vamps win if their number equal villager number (and other team dead) , why go for you with 50% chance and not other villagers with 100% chance, they are much less likely to go after you and leave you as the latest kill and you know it, if you really had such a role your best move would have been to get enough attention for the wolves/vamps to target youQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
I know you specified that, I don't believe you, I think that there are two possible scenariosQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
1. Your role is totally made up (most likely scenario)
2. There is a secret role but it is not as you specified (less likely but possible)
Have you been reading the thread? Ive posted like, 10 times and exclusively fluff. Would a wolf/vamp ever nom someone who just made a 3 way tie vote? Who would you rather nom, nonparticipating jkds or gator or yourself or NG? Do you really think id ever be targetted playing the way i have been?Quote:
Originally Posted by TLR
ok, how? I think a sudden interest shift would make me a lynch target, not a nom. Only other way is to be 100% right with my reads, and honestly no. Thats not realistic. I dont see any other way to force a kill attempt. Also endgame is a long way away for any side to think about.Quote:
probably not, they have to get villagers but wolves/vamps win if their number equal villager number (and other team dead) , why go for you with 50% chance and not other villagers with 100% chance, they are much less likely to go after you and leave you as the latest kill and you know it, if you really had such a role your best move would have been to get enough attention for the wolves/vamps to target you
Ok, lets assume im a secret role but it isnt what i said.Quote:
I know you specified that, I don't believe you, I think that there are two possible scenarios
1. Your role is totally made up (most likely scenario)
2. There is a secret role but it is not as you specified (less likely but possible)
1) ive made myself a target: not beneficial
2) im some kind of 4th party: no night kill, unlikely; imba too with partial immunity
3) what other win conditions have we ever had? Do you think its likely wuf invented one in this particular game?
I mean, maybe i fucked this up, but i just dont see any other way to effectively use tihs role.
The thing is that this is a very sensible role to invent as baddy since you know you are going to get some heat today, your name has come up yesterday by Ong and Shotty who were willing to lynch you, your 3 way vote will cause you to get heat and you know it, so it makes perfect sense that you came up with a weird role that explains both why you were invisible for the first few days, reduce the chance of you being lynched/nommed and will focus the discussion on this role rather then your attempt vote for Shotty, your 3 way tie opened the door for Stax to switch and get shotty killed