https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxfzYTjz62YQuote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Of course that's not what I'm saying. All the wolves didn't pile onto the MMM wagon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxfzYTjz62YQuote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Of course that's not what I'm saying. All the wolves didn't pile onto the MMM wagon.
It didn't happen if there ain't a vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You moving off MMM now?
Ong's theory is that all of the wolves stayed off MMM wagon, Keybored's theory is that ALL of them are on it.
TINFOIL: I can just envision the two of them in the wolfden together going, "I'm going to float the theory that the wolves would stay off the MMM wagon, you should take a different approach."
I've got Ong and Keybored at < rand to be wolves but maybe something to keep in mind later.
TBH I kinda wanna spoon with Keybored right now.
spoonitnow!!!
holy shit...this is awesome! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
But seriously, after the flip, we'll see who's towning.
I'm repeating for the record tho: I don't mind an MMM lynch cuz it's OBE. But Daven's the man for me today.
yeah...I get that a lot. Take a number.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Did I? Feel like I'm hinting at something else as in putting in a lot of effort for appearance that doesn't translate to particular value add for the village...awfully wolfy imoQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
My bad, I misread that then. Carry on and do yer thang.
See Wuf...this was from post # 353. Look how much we woulda missed if we'd ejaculated early. Never a good thing!Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
When I first saw his avatar I was like why are there a bunch of Fs at the top of the scrabble keyboard. Srs. I keytarded my way through that one.
And I should be the one to talk about value add to the village...AMIRITE?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Still think Aubrey is most likely wolf candidate and it's telling that she's not getting steam.
I'd prefer Daven over MMM based on this page's arguments and my short memory/attention span.
What's the vote count and time remaining? It's blastoff time!
I take this as honest criticism (of my performance last game), and I hear the truth in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
Thank you.
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:sick: Waiyoo doodis ting?Quote:
Originally Posted by aubreymcfate
:puke:
Thanks for the links. Delving now. Back in a while.
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I'm not convinced. The force is strong with this one. I'm gonna check her more recent village thread with a quick ISO just to verify her level of solvency. solvitude? solvation?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Fuck...someone made a reference to Good Will Hunting a long post ago and it got me to come in here and retort. Then I got all caught up in the bizznass and forgot to quote the quoter. But I'm too tired now to look it up. How 'bout we just have some caramels instead?
FWIW, that was my position, but shouldn't necessarily be others' position. It was Baud's job to tell me I wasn't doing what he wanted, and it was my job to explain why I was doing what I wantedQuote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
But also, we have only just gotten closer to making my preferred d2 lynch the actual d2 lynch. So I'm sitting here pretty, kid
Already in Day #1, I have a feeling this is going to be an epic match.
daven mentioned the "yet another" comment that wuf brought up. I don't see the "slip" that's supposed to be there and it can't be a slip if I'm Villager (I promised no more V-V claims going forward so I'll leave that out... anything to get Kebored from using "kid" again). Post game we can discuss how "yet another" seems fishy when my WW history has been: (G1 - Wolf) (G2 - Angel) (G3 - VV) (G4... well I said I wouldn't mention it again).
I like the Keybored accusation of Keith even though I don't agree with his logic of why MMM isn't a dangerous fellow to have around late-game. Overall I'd just like to see Keith post more, but so far what he has posted is exactly in line with my thoughts on MMM. Keybored has made a direct plea to not lynch MMM Day #1. I'm making a similar plea to lynch MMM Day #1.
I'm a bit relieved to see the baudib-Keybored hi-5-ing from first hours has ceased. baudib's TINFOIL argument is interesting. Day #1 is so difficult and really anything is possible. I'm not really suspicious of those who don't want to continue the MMM wagon but rather frustrated by it, as everyone off MMM's wagon can't be a bad guy.
As far as the wagon-alignment goes, I really disagree with Ong's analysis. If I were Wolf I'd be pushing equally as hard for MMM wagon. The fact is hasn't already concluded only confirms to me that there are true Villagers who are hesitant (again, they can't all be bad). That said, I'm still 100% for MMM lynch and will be disappointed if he's not the candidate today.
Prepare for plenty of bitching & moaning from me if I survive to Day #2 and he's still around. There's nothing more I can add to my arguments as to why he "has to go" as wuf put it. Knowing that there's at least a modest amount of Villagers not convinced of MMM lynch confuses me.
Can't front, this pick is probably accurate more often than random. That's a good pickQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
VC:
7 on MMM (same/same)
5 on Daven (w/Monstr vote tonight)
Gabe still on Monstr
MMM still on Wuf
Daven moved off Wuf onto Ong (too tired to comment on that)
still waiting for JKDS to weigh in...
We gotta be rolling up on BEST DAY 1 EVER in FTR WW, yah?Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
An it ain't over yet, folks...stay tuned.
'night
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Originally Posted by daven
WTF Daven?? You're so much better than this...Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
You taking on a lotta neutral tones, Wuf. Beige does not look good on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
rescind aubrey, lynch daven
BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Lulz were had. The hearty onesQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I think bigred is on aubrey, and I'm one of the 5 on daven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
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aubrey stepped up her game a significant amount between her last V game and her most recent game, W.
From Corruption wolf:
Aubrey gets this game. She knows it's not about what people say/do but why they say/do it as evidenced by her questions. (She was quite inquisitive... still feeling out the game).
Her opening this game:
first stream of posts mostly fun/funny, 2nd stream of posts more srsly/gameon.
is eerily similar to her open as a W in Drug smugglers and Feds, which also* looked pretty villagery to me.
(*I'm leaning slight V on her tone this game, but I'm back to meh cause she sounded like this as W.)
These are purely soft meta reads.
NVM. That happened while I was typing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
MMM - 7 aubrey, BID, dhubs, keith, ong, rong, wuf
daven - 6 baud, bigred, key, Luco, MMM, monstr
ong - 1 daven
monstr - 1 gabe
<no vote> - 1 JKDS
You guys are gonna make dhubs be cry.
I mean... she gets that it's a game of people. She was also inquisitive about some meta angles and mechanics stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I guess you're talking about this:Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Pretty flimsy read, given you're own personal argument that you'd be acting this way regardless of role in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by aubreymcfate
This feels village to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by aubreymcfate
The way JKDS comes across in her early-game-dig post got my attention.
In the moment it seemed sincere. In retrospect... I don't recall JKDS ever taking that tone with me. I pushed hard for his lynch last game... and maybe called question to his profession being "wolf training"... but then we were all bros afterward... so... WIFOM.
JKDS. Why you no vote? What are your reads?
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BID: Last game on D1 you dropped an epic wall of text reads post.
Sup with dat in this game?
Not sure how this applies to our day 1...but it does.
http://i.imgur.com/H7z4LCu.jpg
Ahhhhh I found Ong!
http://i.imgur.com/yAyYZtH.gif?1
Having to work late has helped me reconnect with this game via interweb breaks.
OMFGROFLMAO
I'm crying. staaaahp it.
I can't look. I can't look.
It hurts to smile so hard.
This is retarded thinking, just so you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
This ties in with the retardedness above. It's probably more likely although both are feasible.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I dunno what's going on but it feels like you guys are really just rolling over and eating the lynch here
I'll be honest, if it was me on the chopping block I'd be engaging EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the thread to try and grasp why they were voting me and try and get them off of me.
The number one rule of werewolf: If you are a villager YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON THAT YOU KNOW IS A VILLAGER 100% CERTAIN
Therefore: As a villager who's job is to stop mislynches, YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE FIGHTING YOUR MISLYNCH AS HARD AS YOU CAN
LET ME SEE SOME PASSION
SOME INTENSITY
GET WITH IT BECAUSE IF YOU ROLL OVER AND EAT THE LYNCH YOU'RE LYNCHED EVERY TIME
GET IN PEOPLE'S FACES
BE AGGRESSIVE
Like if you're wolves go ahead, take the lynch and I'll gladly give it to you, but if you're a villager this is unacceptable imo
if the village gonna spew then the village gonna spew imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
If i end up being the lynch then go and read through my posts thoroughly. You'll see that i've been hunting and if you voted for my lynch then you'll get to feel pretty stupid for not realising that earlier.
There isn't a whole lot of point in defending beyond that, all i can say is that i'm villager, as can anyone - there aren't voting patterns or actions around known roles to prove or disprove things.
what i do is look to figure out roles and relationships. Which I have done.
I still think ong is the best lynch for today, but i see that's going nowhere.
I'm obviously happy for mmm to be the lynch because i think he's also a likely wolf, just not the optimal lynch, fuck, read for yourself - talking at mmm.
anyway,Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
rescind Ong
lynch mmm
so, just out of interest, why are you voting to lynch me? is it cos the alternative is mmm and you don't want to lynch your fellow wolf? or?Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
post 366
post 373Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
post 374Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
yeah, nice reasoning bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
you are either wolf with mmm or you're a wolf and scared that mmm is cursed.
mmm is close to the lynch, i'm the nearest candidate, and you jump on me with no reasoning. Nice.
then your post 377 mis-representing what happened with respect to the vote orders. Pretty sure that mmm had a bunch of votes before my wagon even started.
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Originally Posted by monstrman
If I were a wolf I could give two shits about saving MMM regardless of whether he was my partner or I thought he was the cursed villager
I'm defending him because I think he's a villager, like I've said pretty much all game. I haven't even been looking for the cursed villager because I legitimately could not care any less about it
And I'm voting you because you came into the thread going "Lynch ong/monstrman" and I asked you "and your reason for wanting me lynched is... ___?"
Lol Aubrey @ bukkake ref.
And I second daven's tilt over acronyms comment. Especially as it mostly come from people with typing diarrhea, if you need to save some typing effort just post less crap.
Gator has proved that to stay alive that ain't always the best strat.Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
If I had to pick 3 wolves right now, with little evidence and nothing but gut feel:
Aubrey, Keith, keyboard.
But mmm is my vote today because of his initial comments that mean if we don't resolve that issue now it will take over late game. If he is a vvag then he'll be the easy option for wolves to push later on when they need a villager lynch and we need to remove that option and the confusion it will generate.
So I went back and looked at Ong's posts that Daven cited. Because early on Ong was pinging me a bit too.
I think this is pretty innocuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I cited this post earlier and noted that self-aware Ong is an interesting look. Self-awareness is a wolf tell but blatantly pointing out your own self-awareness perhaps, is not? Luco had mentioned either in the signup or ITG that TWTBAW was not a real thing. Does wolf Ong point this out knowing that TWTBAW is not going to get excused by Luco?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
I don't really see it. I think this is more or less very early D1 Ong being Ong. I could be wrong, but this whimsical, just fucking around feels more like "Arooo, I mean quack" (when Ong was a villager) than some sort of awkward signaling.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Incorporating Aubrey's read here, I think that if Ong randed wolf again after saying he was thoroughly exhausted and needed a break from playing WW, he would post more carefully and be sure not to spazz out this early. I think it's interesting that this seemed to be the strongest thing that Aubrey picked up on.
I'm not saying Ong can't be a wolf, and I still kinda love my Ong-Keybored as w/w again tinfoil, but this is pretty flimsy evidence. Moreover, Daven doesn't even have Ong as his strongest wolf lean, he has him as exactly the Cursed.
Also, I am loathe to even mention this (for reasons you should be able to figure out) but if Ong randed Cursed here I tend to think he wouldn't play it this way.
The thing is that Gator is an exceptional player, IMO, when he has the time to really put in effort. I doubt most players could get away with playing the way Gator does, especially his wolf game. And as a villager, Gator got mislynched D1 in a recent game where he basically ignored all the votes on him, so it's not exactly foolproof.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Post 194:
Even if you ignore how he's posted, threadflow points to Daven being a wolf IMO. If Daven flips wolf, 3-4 people have taken a pretty incriminating line of "I think Daven is wolfy, but let's lynch XXX instead." Like the MMM wagon is pretty interesting because there are people who are sold on him being a wolf/Cursed but here is a voter explicitly stating he's cool with lynching a villager over someone who thinks is wolfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Break it down and tell me how this makes sense.
A. Rong thinks Daven is wolfy.
B. Daven thinks MMM is a wolf.
C. Rong thinks MMM is a villager.
Therefore, Rong wants to lynch MMM.
Post 492
Post 493Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
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Originally Posted by rong
So before you were verbally OK with lynching Daven, but now that he's a viable wagon and the MMM lynch isn't a foregone conclusion, he suddenly disappears from your wolf list. He's posted a lot since you first mentioned him, and all you have to talk about is his complaint about acronyms?
Jyms derp cleared himself with exactly this a while back when he was at mislynch -1, his wagon collapsed (JKDS and I were wolfies that game)Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
Rilla used this intentionally even more recently, probably his proudest wolf moment
Well it's not that simple and you know it.
Firstly it's day 1 and reads are likely to change, possibly repeatedly from here in.
Secondly, you're stating that day 1 reads should take precedent over managing potential late game problems. That's fine if it's your opinion but you need to weigh up the strength of your conviction vs the level of trouble that could later be caused.
In this instance my suspicions are weak and the potential trouble is big. So yeah, I wanna lynch mmm in spite of the majority of his behavior falling into the villagery side of things.
Yes. He's posted a lot since then and I find him less wolfy now than I did then.
Also, I'm particularly annoyed with the language shift from internet English to mafia scum abbreviations.
I thought Wuf was being pretty weird about it but you know, the idea that villagers should try to lynch the wolfiest players every single day is probably solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
TBH I think the danger is pretty low. I think the chances of any of us letting MMM get deep in this game are almost nonexistent.
I'm pretty happy with where the wagons are ATM.
Someone here once told me to look past the style and look at the substance behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Protip: it was you
I'm not sure if I'm agreeing with keybored or if key is just agreeing with me. He's more than capable of shameless buddying as he demonstrated so well last game.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
If you're never letting him get to end game then it's even more reason to lynch him now.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Later on we have far more valuable reads, but you prefer to kill off someone now based on day 1 interaction rather than wait until you have evidence.
Also Daven isn't that easy to kill off. If you're a wolf and both Daven and mmm are villagers it makes far more sense to kill Daven now and leave the easy kill of mmm until later than to do it the other way round.
I'm going to peruse that Feds/Smugglers game before going to bed.
some thoughts jostling around:
1. I still like Dhuber as the strongest, most clearcut villager in the game and I think he's playing well. @Dhuber, I think you are making a mistake that I did recently where I *know* someone is a wolf, and then try to make very early associative reads off that. I think we've had a really great D1 so far but be willing to adjust. One of the best pieces of advice I've ever seen about WW: Average the new information in with the old, don't make 180 turns on reads based on a single piece of evidence vs. a pile of opposing evidence.
2. The recent burst of posts from Monstr has me feeling pretty good about him. Monstr, I know your early game reads are meta-based and it's hard adapting to a new player pool but try to keep up, you'll be fine.
3. BigRed makes this place a lot more fun, I'm definitely opposing any sort of "Let's lynch BigRed" on D1s from now on.
4. I really wish Rilla and Gator were in this game, it'd make it a lot easier to find the center of the village.
Well, I'm a villager and yes, if it were close, I'd greatly prefer an MMM lynch over Daven.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Look at the stuff that MMM has been doing the past day or so, he's doing quite a bit of work. Compare that to Daven and tell me which one is more likely to be a villager.
I'll tell you the same thing I told BigRed: This "D1 isn't important" b.s. doesn't fly anymore. Just randomly accepting "oh it's D1, let's just lunch a villager and move on" doesn't have to be the case as the last couple of games have proven.
In fact you preferring a Daven lynch to a mm lynch whilst stating that you think mmm is gonna get lynched regardless is mighty wolfy. I'd lynch you today before Daven based on that alone.
Types that before reading your last post. But you seemed to be saying it made more sense to lynch Daven than mmm a minute ago.
Yes but you preferring an MMM lynch to a Daven lynch even though you think MMM is a villager isn't wolfy at all amirite.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
GJGE (Good job good effort) Dan.
I've never been AGAINST an MMM lynch, and MMM has stated he should not live to endgame FFS.
I have a problem with runaway wagons though, and since it's not a runaway anymore it should end up a pretty productive day for us.
Your cute acronym don't hide the fact that you're ignoring the specific reason I've stated why I think mmm should be lynched. I don't know how to make it any clearer than the value judgement explanation I already gave.
I think the likelihood of Daven being a wolf is a lot higher than MMM. I think the chances of MMM being a wolf is actually pretty low, I do think he has considerable Cursed equity and he got caught so getting rid of him isn't the worst D1 option.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
your resistance to Daven wagon is noted Sir. glglQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
So you're agreeing with me then. Glad we've cleared that up.
In fact, who is your bold on right now?
If it's mmm then you're doing exactly what I'm doing. If it's Daven you're a wolf.
I think we are. This is the most fun I've had playing WW so far, and I had quite a bit of fun in my previous matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
I mean I'm hoping that Villager Daven wakes up and posts up a storm and gets out of it, but by the looks of things he isn't going to do that.
I get self-pres but he moved off his preferred lynch with like 20 hours left to go??
Also, Daven responded to MMM with "ja, you're a wolf" and then sigh-votes him?
I don't get it, does Villager Daven really care which wolf gets lynched? Does this mean they're W/W??
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Originally Posted by monstrman
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Originally Posted by monstrman
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Originally Posted by monstrman
ITT monstrman is being honest and wants to tell us all how honest he isQuote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
Using words like honest, genuine, legitimate is a wolf tell but here it could just be a style thing as it's so frequent.
Ha, you're actually in Daven.
If it wasn't so late in the day I'd switch and bold you baudib.
Plenty of time, go for itQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
Rong confirmed useless/not reading game.
So let me be clear on this.
Baudib thinks mmm is likely villager and Daven is likely wolf.
However if he is very much open to a mmm lynch.
He also says he knows mmm will get lynched later so he doesn't need to be lynched now.
That means he'd rather lynch a very strong player now in the knowledge that he has an easy lynch later, as opposed to waiting to see how his day 1 read evolves on a strong player and removing an easy lynch now.
Wolves love late game easy lynches.
Wolves love removing strong players.
Your behavior is that of a wolf!
And that would help your Daven wagon no end.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Luco that's a good find. I'm gonna check one of monstr's games and see if he does that a lot, I can't remember. There was a game he took some heat recently and was V.