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Well, he's certainly not mellow.
what villagery posts? I put the question to all villagers: Has Gabe done anything this game to help the village cause?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
It's not that long ago that you had a terrible wolf game where you outed yourself in the anon game and suggested that we should kill people based on having "duck" in their name. there's nothing preposterous at all about suggesting you're being wolfy.
Ong...It's cuz Monstr shouldn't be on the list. He's outed with Boog.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Cause last game on D1, I cleared 3 V's and lynched a W.
Post count does not equate to relevance.
Bringing up the self-lynch? OK. I screwed up. Mea Culpa. I've been policy lynched over it, I've modded a game, and I've had a solid performance since then. Since then, gator self lynched as a wolf, keith self-lynched, gabe basically did last game at the end, too. Now those are all different cases than mine, I grant you... but the judgement is long since expired on that one.
Of the outted pairs, here's my order of lynch pref ATM:
WUF-HOOPY
GABE-RONG
BAUDIB-RILLA
BOOG-MONSTR
BID-MMM
there's also the game you got yourself lynched D1 for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
whatever, you're not providing any value here unless Wuf flips W, which I tend to doubt.
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Originally Posted by gabe
Alright, this makes sense now.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
No value?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I'm not restating the work I've done. If you choose to ignore what I'm doing, then what else are you ignoring about the thread?
Why would you be comfortable with saying this when I'm clearly involved in the conversations, I'm tossing accusations and clearing who I think are my allies.
Or you know I wrote down monstr instead of you by mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
So you had monstr listed twice? Once paired off in your list and once again in the list you shared?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Haven't made it any further than this post but this is beating a dead horse and trying to kill off a strong player on some minor first post bs.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Yeah. This is more trying to hang your opponent based on silly shit that has no real impact on the game. Leave that to FOX news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
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Originally Posted by bigred
it's not minor, and it's not B.S. What has Gabe contributed since?
Keep talking, cat lover...I'm loading my gun. If not for Rascal, I'd be voting your ass right now!Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Pretty much, should of been keybored instead in the second list.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
keyb is a villager, pretty much 100%
ew(baud) goes up every post
I need to go to bed soon, idk whether to vote for gabe or just to go back to boog and hope for the best.
Who do you want to lynch today?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Wufwugy has been suspiciously absent from the fray.
He has a lot of post, most of them are re-arguing a point he knows he's logically right on (null with respect to this game) and the arguing with MMM.
But that is pretty standard baud. He talks until the village kills him. I remember one of the first games I played with him, I knew a wolf would never play like he did but he made 1 or 2 posts that tied me to his wagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
My recall of Villager Baudib is that he's spewy, upbeat and generally helpful when able. This game he seems 180-out from that, IMO.
I've given my thoughts on everyone's alignment and changed my mind on a couple of them. I'm still waiting on Monstr and Lilrascal to be their villager selves but otherwise I have a good idea of how the village lies.
I have my wolf suspects down to about 4 in 7 people and probably never lynching about 7/9ths of the others. If anyone's had a more pro-village Day 1 than me then I'm not aware of it.
So it's between gabe and baudib right now?
none of you actually have any idea of what "standard baud" even means. i've had about 2 living villager days on this site, 3-5 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I really wanna lynch baidib. I don't think that's gonna happen. I can move to Luco or boog if need be. Prefer Luco to boog since boogs bunch of posts earlier.
We need to see some death for any of this to make sense. If it's gotta be mine, so be it, Im ok dying day one before I've put much effort in, although obviously I'd rather live.
People seem to be getting far too excited on day one though.
to the contrary, no one is excited enough. the potential EV swing for this day is enormous.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
And lol at "never lynching 7" people already. Super smart attitude that is. You talk for talking's sake.
When tied at 4 votes apiece (Baud & Gabe) this late in the day, why does Gabe move his vote off Baud?
Because nobody else wants lynch Rilla. And he's possibly hoping it will get Rolla on his side.
And may as well follow his lead Rescind
Lynch boog
Tie-breaker also goes against him, I think. So moving off and moving back wouldn't change anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
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Originally Posted by rong
and you talk for what reason?
wufwugy-hoopy as a pair have been pretty empty this game.
If it came to it I'd lunch them instead of me. Bit I'm going to bed now so won't be changing my vote.
I'd lynch Boog-Monstr before Wuf-Hoopy.
the problem I have with lynching Boog is that my top wolf is on him.
lynch wuf
Off to bed.
Fuck it
lynch wufwugy
Based on what they've put in the thread so far, I taking my stab in the dark at wuf-hoopy.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I don't think wolf Wuf takes the exasperated "go ahead and lynch me then" line. i'll be shocked if zero wolves were on the early Wuf wagon.
I don't see wuf as a wolf here, he seems frustrated that people aren't willing to go along with his reveal logic. 'Not mellow' by your standards rilla.
It's hard to objectively value a person's defense of his partner who's leading the votes. Hoopy, if you want to survive, you gotta fight harder than that. Especially since your partner is absent...
he doesn't have to fight harder than that if his partner is a wofl
Well it's time for bed, hopefully I'm still alive tomorrow.
Probably Village
a500lbgorilla
Keybored
BID
Wufwugy
Luco
Wolfy
BooG
gabe
lynch BooG
Though really this is a game where individuals aren't super important, more hangs on how the village works together imo.
double fuck it
lynch boog
I just got home from work. Going to read the thread.
Sweet. Wuf looking like the lynch. As per my post 201 he's about always wolf here - all he's done is be wolfy, argue game mechanics, and get uber-defensive when looking like being lynched.
when he flips wolf we lynch baudib tomorrow.
game solved
thanks for coming.
Is Rascal-Big Red a team?
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
or boog, meh, i'm blinkered cos i'm lock on wuf being a wolf and it seems dumb to lynch anyone else. FWIW I don't like a gabe lynch today cos it would be terri-bad if he flipped villa, + i think we can wait until day 2 to address baudib's wolf-ness.
rilla, why are you defending wuf by switching your vote? team you/baudib/wuf/someone else?
Wow, over 250 posts to catch up on.
Anyone want to provide me some cliff notes?
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Originally Posted by baudib
Not saying. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Since Rascal and Daven just showed up, here's an unofficial VC to help them end d1:
BOOG (5) = BID, Gabe, Rong, Hoopy, Rilla
GABE (3) = Ong, Baudib, Boog
WUF (3) = Daven, Keybored, Luco
BAUD (2) = Monstr, MMM
MMM = Wuf
No votes: BigRed, LilRascal
Known Outed Pairs:
BAUDIB-RILLA
BID-MMM
GABE-RONG
HOOPY-WUF
MONSTR-BOOG
"all he's done is be wolfy",Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
"argue game mechanics",
"get uber-defensive when looking like being lynched".
Since when do these three "tells" point to wuf being a wolf? It tells me that wuf hasn't had his account hacked.
Is that what I'm doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
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Originally Posted by Keybored
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Originally Posted by Hoopy
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by rong
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Originally Posted by Luco
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by Hoopy
I think this is where we're at atm, assuming the previous unofficial vote count was right:Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
B]**UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT**[/B]
BOOG (5) -- BID, Hoopy, Gabe, Rong, Rilla
GABE (3) -- Ong, Baudib, Boog
WUF (3) -- Daven, Keybored, Luco
BAUD (2) -- Monstr, MMM
MMM -- Wuf
Not voting: BigRed & LilRascal
Thanks, but I cross posted it. I'm glad they agree with each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
I really don't see the huge loss if Gabe somehow flips village.
in normal circumstances I would say killing Gabe Day 1 is the wolves' job
here the wolves don't do that.
Gabe as a late-game villager is unproven as anyone. given his performance as a wolf last game, where he was convincing but didn't quite navigate the mechanics of how to reach victory, I'm not sure that villa Gabe is that much help anyway.
how has he helped us so far?
jumping along from Ong to Boog to me to whoever with very little reasoning and no logic. no one is even listening to Gabe or following his "lead"
let's kill him, I think he's a wolf.
I find it interesting that the only outed pairs that are voting the same are Gabe-Rong.
I have a strong villa vibe from Rong, but Gabe is looking wolfier. Their vote on Boog is team self pres it looks like.
I'd be really interested in Rong's thoughts on Gabe.
Lynch Gabe for some incentive for Rong to talk to me about Gabe.
Rascal, what do you think of Monstr?
I don't really have a read on him this game either direction, so I'd say neutral at this point.
You want to give me some cliff notes for today?
What's the case on Boog?
I had him in my villa pile, but I'm still catching up tonight?
I'm not super keen on the Boog wagon.
I agree. I'm still catching up, but I don't see a case for it yet.
Post of the DEVIL!
Aside from that...there's no case against Boog. Don't know WTF is going on there.
My theory on the Boog/Monstr wagon is "old timers" not willing to take out a fellow fogey on d1. Bad juju IMO.
rilla and i agree he had a wolfy post. his motives werent wolfy, just his wordsQuote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Gabe had no interest in Boog until he became a viable wagon himself. AFAICT, it's Boog had some "wolfy tone" posts and said "it seems."
i'm serious
It's 1.30am in rongland, you won't be seeing him before deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
After a quick read, here's where I stand atm (with my tryhard colors):
Villas:
Rong
Key
Ong
Baud
Monstr
Boog
Daven
Neutrals:
Rilla
BID
Meh:
Hoopy
Bigred
MMM
Wolves:
Gabe
Wuf
Luco
After catching up tonight, I don't see the case on Boog.
I still stand by my vote. Even more now that I've caught up on the thread (a quick read, not a detailed read) in the time I had.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by lilrascal
I'll be fairly surprised to see Rilla or BID turn up wolf. The rest of your list seems decentish, rascal, but you could be a wolf here. Especially with Daven.
Why is Daven a villager?
Agreed...But certainly an opportunistic wolf or two there, yah?Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
If Rascal's a wolf, he puts one fellow wolf in each category above.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
^^^ lumping Neutrals and Meh as one category.
LilRascal...if your partner fails to vote today, you two will be a hard target tomorrow.
you can question my village skills all you want but i have the record to back up these types of readsQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
also heres a link to a post where luco says how a post i made was villagery and MMM (maybe someone else too?) also realized it http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...61#post2226161
you are tunneling too hard. the more fishy accusations against me, i will naturally say more things you can pick apart and use against me. im going to engage tunnelers less starting now
Rascal risking his V-points by asking other people to tell him what to think about the game.
You can slide back to neutral.
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My vote on baud is going nowhere. (I still think baud has yet to show any Village spirit.)
I'm not voting gabe today. I could get on a rong wagon, though. :/
I can't bring myself to vote wuf. I'm wary of wuf talking his way out of lynch, but I believe he's given me enough to lean V.
Hoopy, on the other hand... IDK.
The other main wagon is boog, who I have as neutral, and not a V-lean.
I have slight V-lean on monstrman, and it's weak.
I can lynch boog
but I'd prefer to lynch from baud, rong, luco
You may be right on Rilla and BID, I don't have a lean either way on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Based on my quick read, I don't remember a lot from Daven IRL today, but the little he did post seemed OK, and I had him in my villa pile already.
I could be a wolf and so could you. I know I'm not and I don't think you are atm.
Who says my partner hasn't already voted?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
they are the same wagon......Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
rascal - gabe
rilla - boog
hoopy - boog
luco - wuf
rong - boog
gabe - baud
boog - gabe
key - wuf
baud - gabe
mmm - baud
ong - gabe
bid - boog
wuf - mmm
monstr - baud
daven - wuf
gabe - 4
boog - 4 (leads)
wuf - 3
baud - 3
mmm - 1
i have no opinion. i was able to skim while waiting for my tutor, but that hardly does anything. im a little less pissed off today than i was yesterday, but also a lot more tired
Me asking for other people's thoughts is how I learned to play this game. Interaction with others is how I find wolves. That's why you'll always see me trying to interact with others. Their reaction to my posts and others is what I need to make my reads.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I'm more of a tone reader than a mechanics guy.
I don't recall a strong case against boog. My own case stems from the fact that last game on D1, he came out hard and aggressive against key, and... I think someone else after that? ... whatever... His posts were a flurry of questions and incredulity.
Here, I see only his post 199 that reads like that... which he posts after I said gabe's read on boog was odd in that gabe said bood asked a question, whereas I expect boog to ask tons of questions.
hense theQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
:/
make that 5 for boog
If you have no opinion, then why are you voting MMM?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
and your case on me is based on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
do you think there is a villager out of Boog/Daven/Luco?
because i have an opinion on him, just not on any of the further developments. he's clearly not getting lynched todayQuote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
I'm not gonna holler and scream against the Boog lynch, it's better than lynching Wuf IMO.
I'm curious about why you think MMM is a wolf. I have him leaning that way, but not enough to vote him.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
@rascal: Please share your thoughts. If you think I'm wolfy, then don't sit on it.
Soft pushes are not good for the village.
The real problem with Gabe here is that his defense is something along the lines of "well I wouldn't be so stupid to draw suspicion this early after I played a great wolf game last game," when he made inarguably the most wolfy open of the game and it basically went unnoticed for 2 days until I pointed it out again.
He also backed off that attack on Ong as it was getting nowhere and now it's all about a really really weak case on Boog (or a non-existent case on me) based on his history. Which is all fine and good except that Gabe's history indicates nothing to make us believe that he is anything but a wolf when he lives past day 2 and no mechanical grasp of winning village play.
this isn't to knock Gabe but the fact is he just hasn't done it. Wuf has won a dozen more end games.
kudos if Boog flips wolf but I hope everyone takes a good hard look at Gabe regardless of the flip (remember Gabe bussing Ong really hard last game).
Monstr not showing here probably means he flips wolf an acceptable % of time actually.
As I posted, I had you as meh, so a slight wolf lean, but not in my wolf category.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I just have a different style than what your used to and reading people's reactions to my reads helps me refine them.
When I first started playing ww, I locked in on my reads and didn't adjust and essentially had tunnel vision. Since then, I've learned to re-assess my reads.
@baud: The case against you is that you claim to be low participation, then get all butthurt when called out on it. And you're still among the top posters. It doesn't add up.
I agree with you on BID and rilla, and on boog vs. wuf, but these are easy things to say without deep analysis of the game.
I know that you are capable of making solid reads and rocking my POV with good observations, and so far what I've gotten from you has been lackluster.
I'm not saying it's a hard lean, but it's plenty enough for a D1 lynch.
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Originally Posted by baudib
Baud, I'm not liking your stance here. Essentially trying to lay the blame on others if the one you vote for is villa.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib