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Im far too much of a team player, and far too risk-adverse to post a gif like that as wolf. You'll recall times when I've done something wacky, but you'll also recall each of those times occurring where there was minimal risk. In a seer game, in my first few posts, the risk is far too high and there is no reward. Im ballsy, but im not reckless.
And yes, I think things through and care about deadline times. I could right a book about why everyone should, regardless of role.
Yeah, but you also used to hunt wolves.
yes of course everyone should think things through and also care about deadline times. the point wasnt that you made a mistake in doing these things. the mistake was for you to ONLY post about these things. combine that with the GIF and you gotta die
sure i believe you are risk adverse as a wolf. i also believe you didnt think, at the time of your gif post, that the gif appeared as anything but innocent funQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
I'm kind of a sucker for GIF reads. I was in a recent mash and someone posted a gif of Walter White doing the hands up, "Ya got me!"
Another poster pointed out that it's an incredibly incriminating thing to post and suggests a guilty mindset. Walter White, after all, was indeed a wolf.
It seemed like a legit read and I think Gabe is making an honest read here.
turns out the guy posting the gif was a villager, but I still like the genuine nature of the read. I don't think a wolf has the balls to put that kind of thing out there.
You crazy.
@Rilla: Usually only day2 onwards. Day1s are boring to me.
Over the last year, and especially the last couple months, I have gradually reduced the amount of clutter I post. I used to post anytime I had a thought and not even read much of other peoples' posts, but now I don't post that much and I reread the posts regularly. I don't have that much time during the week to devote to this game, which is good because if I had more I would be bored and posting lots of clutter, which would, as always, have a detrimental effect on how well I read things.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I'll do by best to get to everything I can, but really I only have like ~90 minutes each weekday to devote to the game. That's not much at all, and far lower than I would devote before.
I disagree with the urgency, but we can talk about that after the game.
I've been near bottom poster on d1 several times, and I think I've become an easy lynch since the days of yore when I used to have more time and more obsession with pwning faces that I would clutter a lot because I thought I was gatting suckas by doing so.Quote:
Boog, Wuf has been notoriously difficult to lynch. Also, Wuf has rarely ever been a bottom poster at any point in any game. In general I like your tone this game but these posts are unsettling. Not sure what to make of these, could be nothing.
I was a villager in that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
My last post was directed at Gabe. Baudib is only sorta crazy.
Not at all a little bit curious as to who might be a wolf?Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Day 4 wolves are found through Day 1 work. You don't want to invest today in the future wolf-killing infrastructure of tomorrow?
I don't think I will ever lynch JKDS d1 because I think he is the best player here. I also adore when I caught him as serial killer. That was the most complex yet accurate read I made, and I'm proud of it.
Very true. Granted I think it's all about a macro assessment of the logic and behavior of the players. At least for me. Others are intuitive in other ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Super curious. But day 1 is mostly people making mountains out of molehills, and I got shit to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Nothing at all gives you a little shot of, "hey that shits wolfy"? Reading posts isn't connecting to some deep working memory and forcing you to start to push people around into piles of V and W?Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
I mean, clearly reading posts is getting some sort of a reaction out of you. Got you to post a gif.
I just read gabe's case and could have gone either way, but within an hour of your name getting called you're here with this measured response. You're weighing your words here.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
I have inklings. Im not confident in any of them atm tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Show me a time when I havent. Im bar prepping atm, and its soooooo easy to click the little "new post" button and read something fun instead of legal jargon nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
If I were angel I'd rand the protect between myself, Gabe and Rilla, weighing myself the least.
I'm probably not the angel but it'd be a decent strategy here.
And thus I just gave us all a bit of protected equity and forced the wolves to consider a less-than-optimal shot.
ok...http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...55#post2236755Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
jkds has been seriously accused of being a wolf but dont worry, he'll be a good villager in the future! thats what hes saying right?
Gonna do a serious review of Rascal and come back with a definitive stance on him after night.
Luco trending slightly upward. I think he is being perceptive of a lot of inconsistencies in people's thought processes and is relatively engaged.
however he is not offering any real original thoughts and this MO is pretty good cover for a wolf trying to slip in bits of doubt here and there.
I liked what Boog was posting when he was here but his long absences have me considering the fact that he just did enough to escape suspicion D1 (I gave him something of a free pass) and he's now skating by.
We have to deal with Wuf's lame excuses and poor fundamental approach to WW every game so it's just a fact of life now.
There are approximately 14 hours remaining in Day 1.
Vote Count (as of Post #421)
OngBonga - 3
Hoopy - 2
BankItDrew - 1
JKDS - 1
wufwugy - 1
7 Votes required for majority lynch. If no majority can be reached by 9am ET Thursday, then the player who received the most votes will be lynched. Ties are broken by who reached the tying number first among the lynch candidates.
Note: I may not be around at precisely 9am ET tomorrow, but the vote tallies at exactly that moment will be final provided a majority isn't reached before then. Nighttime posting IS allowed this match.
JFC, we have another 14 hours? I thought EOD was tonight.
LOL @ you guys who don't want to actually play WW for 72 hours cuz it's D1.
I just got home and going to catch up on the thread.
Can we see who's voting for who?
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
What are we supposed to do with this? You say you think rascal is a wolf but then bold me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
This ups the quality of the policy lynch, since you also have shown that even though you know the game has started, you're not participating.
inb4 bid lives to endgame then makes the deciding bold as he says "lollolololl what is even happening". Sadly he's done that as a villager, but fortunately he also has done that as a wolf.
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Originally Posted by Luco
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Originally Posted by Luco
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Originally Posted by Luco
These posts by Luco are reinforcing my villa read on him. Luco's being a helpful villa and definitely reading the thread with thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
I think this is what you're asking for. D1 Vote Chartz.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Player D1 Vote a500lbgorilla OngBonga BankItDrew wufwugy baudib Hoopy BooG690 OngBonga gabe Rescind Hoopy Not Voting JKDS OngBonga lilrascal wufwugy Luco Not Voting OngBonga Rescind rong Not Voting wufwugy Rescind
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Originally Posted by gabe
Rong makes a good point here. It's at least the second time Gabe has tried to make something out of nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Rong looking better and Gabe looking worse IMO.
rascal, my vote is on jkds. your chart doesnt have that
i did address this somewhat. when i got home from partying last night i made some ill advised posts. thats what i meant when i said i had to use the ongexcuse. i was too inebriated for the posts i made like 14 hours agoQuote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
regardless most of my werewolf success comes from making something out of nothing ;)
This one looks like posting to post and is definitely not wolf hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
I don't read Luco that way at all. Luco was disagreeing with Gabe, so he's not following Gabe's line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Another post about doing other things instead of wolf hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
I don't think this looks good for Hoopy.
I must have missed it while looking for the votes. I'll go back and check.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Still catching up.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
This chartz should be correct now. I had to correct my spreadsheet for rescinding instead of unvoting.
Player D1 Vote a500lbgorilla OngBonga BankItDrew wufwugy baudib Hoopy BooG690 OngBonga gabe JKDS Hoopy Not Voting JKDS OngBonga lilrascal wufwugy Luco Not Voting OngBonga Hoopy rong Not Voting wufwugy BankItDrew
After catching up, Wuf looks a little better. Not great, but enough to give him another day.
Rescind Wuf
Lynch Hoopy
anyone else not liking when the day ends? going to be hard for people to be online then which means we have to just leave bolds on people when we go to sleep..
yeah but it's kinda always that way for UK players.
It's 50-50 if Ill be awake.
I don't like it. I'd rather EOD be late evening when everyone (or at least most people) can be here.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I'll be awake, but at work, which makes it difficult for me to post then.
Rescind OngBonga, lynch JKDS
Gabe's read is spot on here. Better yet, OngBonga is reading a lot more genuine now.
this is actually a pretty good post by Wuf hereQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
it is CLASSIC wolf behavior to go on about "I think Player A is a wolf blah blah blah. Lynch Player B."
you guys might not like the sort by post count wolf hunting, but I am pretty damn sure you will get a high % of wolves in some sort of combo of bottom half of post count + last to vote.
i dont hate wuf's reasoning for bid but i dont think we can get enough support together to lynch BID. wuf, pick between jkds/hoopy. i think jkds is a very good pick. i'm also completely fine with hoopy. luco also deserves a look but dont think that will happen today
id also like to reiterate baudib's angel suggestions
also i'm not going to vote for ong today. i believe him about spaz calling wuf out as the angel. if he is a wolf i feel good that we can pin him down later
IIRC around 3:00 PM EST has been a good eod time for UK and US folk. It's evening for UK and midday for US. It is near the end of the most active time. I remember because I'm always gone during it and come back to a ton of new posts, and when I modded I would set up eod for about 5:00 PM EST and it worked well. So if Dhubs wants to change it to that, it would work for most other players.
I think BID is either now or never. If he doesn't die today I won't be looking to lynch him at any future point. Unless of course he ups his activity, but without that it's regressive to return to a previous day's lynching with just that previous day's rationale. This is the rock and hard place problem we used to always have with some players being such low activity or not paying enough attention and getting to the endgame to breeze by as a wolf or screw the pooch as a villager. We haven't had an inactivity-in-the-endgame busting us up any of the time that Baud has played, because we punished the perpetrators so hard with policy lynches that we stamped the problem out for a while.
I do not like a JKDS lynch. I agree with most of what he's said so far. I also think he's very readable as games progress.
My sirens haven't gone off on Hoopy. The last time they did, he was a wolf. I don't really want to say why because I think he could easily exploit that.
This d1 has been a bit more eventful than some other d1s. That's good, but I think it's important to make sure to not get ahead of ourselves. A JKDS lynch is quite "ahead of ourselves" to me. That said, I'm not going to defend him because whenever I hard defend somebody, I seem to end up with egg on my face. Besides, it isn't that I think he's a villager, but that I don't see reason to think he's a wolf so far. I just know I've never read him other than null on d1.
I won't be back on till after eod. Muy muchos el luckamos muchachos! Hablo los perfectos espana!
If this is Wuf's last post of the day it is full of fail in so many ways my head is going to explode:Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
1. Wuf is a viable wagon and offers no defense nor even a self-pres vote. GJGE if you're a villager, Wuf.
2. Wuf is so married to voting inactives on D1 he will not even consider other wolfy behavior even in a D1 which has been very long, featured 446 (!) posts (more than entire games in some past cases) even when he says it has been eventful.
3. The idea that you can't try to lynch someone you tried to lynch the day before is so mind boggling I can't even comment.
4. Wuf acts as if I have never seen inactives before. I've seen inactives in almost every game I've ever played. I play in giant mashes where there are typically 3-6 zero posters every day. I've played in a game here where the SEER and Big Red both went AWOL for days and the village won. In fact Big Red being AWOL helped the village win immensely.
wuf, voting BID is practically a random shot. we can do way better than random!! we have lots of good wolf hunting villagers (you might even be one of them)
i think i already mentioned that i would be OK with hoopy. but he hasnt done anything specifically that gave me a wolf tell. i see him posting little and not having much substance when he does, but there was not alarm bells for me. jkds gave me alarm bells. rascal also did this in a minor way, but at least he posts his thoughts often and is active in helping the village
i'm not going to move off jkds. the village is too inactive for me to expect someone might convince me otherwise
I'm not sure it matters which one we lynch here, the wagons are good and we have other means of dealing with the situation if anything crazy develops in the next 8 hours (lynch through reveal).
Hoopy, JKDS, Wuf, I suspect you all have a very high chance of not living to D2. If you have anything compelling to offer, now's the time.
D2 is gonna be amazing. There's a chance I'll refrain from night posting.
Wolves, I'm coming for you.
rescind wuf
lynch hoopy
gabe walking the line with offering bets
There are approximately 6.5 hours remaining in Day 1.
Vote Count (as of Post #450)
Hoopy - 3
JKDS - 2
OngBonga - 2
BankItDrew - 1
wufwugy - 1
7 Votes required for majority lynch. If no majority can be reached by 9am ET Thursday, then the player who received the most votes will be lynched. Ties are broken by who reached the tying number first among the lynch candidates.
Day 1 Vote Chart (Rescinds in parentheses)
a500lbgorilla - (gabe),, OngBonga
BankItDrew - wufwugy
baudib - (Hoopy),, (OngBonga),, Hoopy
BooG690 - (JKDS),, (OngBonga),, JKDS
gabe - (lilrascal),, JKDS
Hoopy -
JKDS - OngBonga
lilrascal - (wufwugy),, Hoopy
Luco
OngBonga - (baudib),, Hoopy
rong
wufwugy - (gabe),, BankItDrew
DRUDGESIREN.GIFQuote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
wolfy fkn post my lord
How is that wolfy? Just an observation on something that probably shouldn't be done.
It is wolfy more for what isn't said.
it basically summarizes a whole range of wolfy behavior:
1. spite vote for Wuf even though you have apparently already identified a wolf (Rascal, whose wagon you did nothing to push at all)
2. wolfy pile on for hoopy with no explanation
3. no mention of JKDS as possible candidate
4. total non sequitur about Gabe
3pm UK time is day end. I'll be involved long before then.
2pm, sorry.
Must restrain urge to spite vote drew.
lynch ong for doing weird stuff.
Im pretty confident Gabe, Rilla, and Rascal are all villagers at this point. I kinda like Rong for village too. Ong and Baudib both look wolfy tho.
The resistance to the JKDS wagon is ... palpable.
The fact that viable wagons aren't even talking about JKDS is sketching me out.
Trust in Gabe.
And if JKDS flips wolf we certainly don't have to go far to find the next one.
Will be awesome to wake up to 2 dead wolves and game nearly solved on D2.
lynch JKDS
Assuming the wolves can find the crumb this soon, I'm not even sure I follow what the crumb was supposed to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
This post?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
If jkds is a wolf that's a fantastic read from gabe.
Can you give me a quick summary or point to one of why JKDS is wolfin? Something to do with a gif?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I prefer ong to jkds. I mean I like the way gave has created the case, and he's has done pretty much nothing so far and worse still popped in at the mention of his name. But I'm not sure I believe the case is particularly strong against him.
I see a potential link between gabe and ong. Gabe is laying off ong, which is one thing, but by using ong 's "wasted" excuse himself he has legitimises one's use of it.
Now I think the I was high excuse for stupidity given by ong is bullshit. The dude is always high, literally always. It hasn't caused a brain fart like that before. However he does have history of playing up when he's a wolf. And I've watched him fuck up tremendously as a wolf before through fps.
If given a choice of jkds or ong I choose ong all day. Hoopy is a meh lynch, not much there really but not doing a great deal to get out of it either.
The typos in that post make it a little hard to read. Am I allowed to go back and fix them? I'm still not certain on the rules about that, I know it's been batted about as both a capital offence and nothing to worry about.
Gabe's soul read + lack of engagement + "measured words" (Luco) + seeming inability to be interested in a 450-post game + sketchballs refuse to even mention his nameQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
I mean I think you are exactly where I was about 24 hours ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
I called out Gabe's plan as dumb, he got butthurt, read all my posts, then decided that If i was a wolf, his plan would still be good.
This game is silly.
I prefer hoopy to JKDS. dan has nothing to say about hoopy, it's all ong vs jkds, which has me thinking dan is trying to turn this away from hoopy.
Yes I'm always high. Well nearly always. I'm not right now. I've just woken up. But I'll be high once I've made a cup of tea. But sometimes I'm more high than other times. Sometimes I've just gotten back from a festival and all I want to do is laze around in my underwear smoking bong after bong while watching shit on tv. I'm not even trying to use high to excuse my behaviour as townie, seeing as it's null. I'm just pointing out why my bahvious is bizarre, regardless of which angle you view it from.
Anyway, I like rong for wolf if hoopy is one.
What you got against hoops? (Omg now JKDS is defending hoopy, where will it end?)
Ong, break down a hooopy lynch for me please?
Just curious why this is a concern for you both just a couple of hours before deadline. Why didn't anyone but baudib call me out on my naked hoopy vote at the time?
I feel like our best chances of hitting a wolf is to lynch from hoopy, jkds, rong, luco, wuf, drew.
drew is pure random shot, wuf and luco are emerging as town reads, jkds is too strong to risk on d1, rong has that same argument to a lesser degree, leaving hoopy as the prime lynch imo.
Also his post before I voted for him pinged to fuck, I mean he just waffles about some idea that gabe has and then doesn't even reach a conclusion, just says worth thinking about or whatever. Pure filler.
Out of the options, he's best imo.
So to dan, why not hoopy?
No, I dont believe that you think the best chances of finding a wolf are in the bottom 6 posters. You're too smart for that. You know as well as I do that each of these players, even wuf lately, has a tendency to be quiet day 1 regardless of role. (sometimes, quiet throughout). You know its not role indicative, so it doesnt follow that you believe its wolfy for them to be quiet.
I call bs.
You think that I give a toss about post count?
I call bs.
I'm not calling them wolfy for being quiet. I'm calling them wolfy mainly because of PoE... I have six town reads, which I have already explained.
Its the same group that gabe called out, because of post count. Thats exactly why you're targetting them.
I was thinking of making a post appealing to Rong to let Ong wait another day. But reading these posts make me wanna go back to lynching Ong. what to do, what to do.
Yes. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
lynch ongbonga
baudib do what you like, I really don't care. I tell you this though... it's 10.30am and rarely do I get up before midday. If I were a wolf, I'd just lurk out the day so long as I wasn't getting votes.
what's the vote count?
You're deliberately misrepresenting my stance.
Fucking quoting and responding bit by bit is such a fucking pain in the ass on a phone.
Elaborate.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
I went to bed last night thinking ong should probably be seered, but I’m not sure what giving him another day would accomplish. even if he is village he’s going to be something of a distraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
ong just responded in 478 exactly how i thought he should given what i think of him
jkds seems to be forcing it. like the statement that ong just said "No" to, and saying i'm coming after him because i was mad he didnt like my plan. (wtf why would i get mad?). also his argument against post count being a thing doesnt have conviction, just conjecture
luco feels like a vulture circling above a dying animal here.
like before i scrolled down to 478 i was thinking "probably yes to the force part, and no to the second part because jkds is twisting it"
this makes me trust ong more, for now
It's this bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I've never been keen on a hooopy lynch because I don't see him as wolfy atm. He doesn't strike me as villagery either, he's done nothing to say me egalitarian way, but at least he is paying attention and posting. I put bid in the same level of wolfiness but we have nothing to go on with him which is why I prefer him to hooopy.
But if we aren't going for bid, ie neutral read but annoying for later, then you are a better bet than hoopy who is also a neutral read imo.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
Day me egalitarian = sway me either
Perhaps misrepresenting is wrong. More wording things in a way which leads to a slightly more sinister interpretation than is necessary.
Cute. I don't think you can argue my point though.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
drew is not an option for today.
What point, that I'm a distraction? So is everyone who might be a wolf, which from every villager's pov, is everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
ong i feel like rong is not suspicious. its hard for anyone to say much about hoopy since hoopy doesnt give much away
We had a late swing for bid last game and he flipped seer. I dont want to move focus from ong / hoopy / wuf / jkdsQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
Well that's the nature of the game. If you're a villager, well I don't know that yet, so I'm going to assume a sinister motive when you suggest that this is between me and jkds while putting hoopy to one side, so close to deadline. I feel like there's a good shot at a wolf between jkds and hoopy, because I'm back in trouble after seemingly slipping my neck out of the noose.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
you know what pinged me the most about Ong in this latest sequence? Him overexplaining his persistent stonedness. as if any of us ever doubted that.
and Rong is 100% correct in that he plays that up when he's a wolf.
that said, JKDS slinked out of the conversation while adding nothing.
It's only everyone to start with. Then you adjust.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
So what do we do with people who might be a wolf ong?