Varchertine's Werewolf Game Thread

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

No, it says that 50% in this game is no different than any other game, and anything more than 50% is not my problem because I have already been outed.

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what? you are saying that any increase in value is pointless if it is an increase over standard value in other games. i cant even

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So how about looking for evidence upon which to base a read instead of just going with a gut soulread?

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that's it. you're trolling



im done. thanks to the majority of players who understand that it is overwhelmingly obvious that hidden links are bad for the village and good for the wolves. as for everybody else, let's lynch me and get it over with. i am tired and pissed off that the most simple of sound logic is what is getting me killed. this game has always been a logic game to me, and i care about the results less than i do about the personal pride i feel when i can successfully get the logic right. being told that what appears to be obviously correct logic is wrong by people who seem to be ignoring things or just not thinking about it is far too stressful.

eod day is tomorrow and im busy. id rather get in the dead thread so i can laugh at youse numbskulls instead of pulling my hair out over more of this shit.

good luck guys. lynch me then lynch mmm.

Wuf looks like the most villagery person in this game. So for that reason, I'm voting for:

lynch boog

FWIW, I feel like MMM and wuf are showing resentment today. I'm strongly considering wolves to be on his wagon. Boog is actually at the top of that list based solely on instincts.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

what? you are saying that any increase in value is pointless if it is an increase over standard value in other games. i cant even

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I didn't even. I said it's not my decision.

Personally, I feel it's far more likely that a wolf will be saved from the block by a partner association than that a wolf will die by a partner association. I haven't said it because it's just a feeling... and I kind-of don't want to mislynch and kill a wolf by collateral damage... I mean, yes, good, killed a wolf... but in the derpiest way... good end result, but nothing to brag about.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

that's it. you're trolling

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I assure you I'm not. Your response to my statements about gabe being playful were a good start. Please bring more of that.

I feel so conflicted because on one hand I think wuf is a V 90% of the time. On the other hand, I feel like MMM is a villager 90% of the time too (yes, MMM is my lover (lame name)).

The problem is that MMM seems convinced wuf is a wolf.

If wuf flips V, I'll need to reconsider my stance on self preservation.

On the other hand, I reaaaaaally think a lot of the MMM vs wuf stuff is carry-over.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I didn't even. I said it's not my decision.

Personally, I feel it's far more likely that a wolf will be saved from the block by a partner association than that a wolf will die by a partner association. I haven't said it because it's just a feeling... and I kind-of don't want to mislynch and kill a wolf by collateral damage... I mean, yes, good, killed a wolf... but in the derpiest way... good end result, but nothing to brag about.


I assure you I'm not. Your response to my statements about gabe being playful were a good start. Please bring more of that.

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wuf(5) - boog, daven, key, MMM, ong
boog(2) - gabe, rilla
baud(1) - monstr
daven(1) - Luco
gabe(1) - baud
MMM(1) - wuf
ong(1) - rong


Look at that. I have been doing what I think is best for the village the entire time. I have done my best to get rid of what is causing the problem of the above. Notice how dispersed the wagons are. Notice that 25% of the players are not even bolded on anybody. Notice how there is only one bold for a player who is a part of a known pair (excluding me). Notice how the only wagon with any steam, which has been the only wagon with any steam since the beginning, is made up entirely of people who think I am incorrect in my statements on the links and that they are super comfortable lynching me since they know Hoopy will die with me and people never have a problem lynching Hoopy

What you say you want out of me is exactly what I'm trying to avoid since there is no way we can hunt well until we get rid of this behemoth of a disaster that is keeping people from making intelligent lynch choices.

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Vote Count!

(5) Wufwugy: Madmojomonkey, Daven, Ongbonga, Keybored, Boog
(3) Boog: Gabe, Rilla, BID
(1) Ongbonga: Rong
(1) Madmojomonkey: wufwugy
(1) Daven: Luco
(1) Baudib: Monstrman
(1) Gabe: Baudib

Day will End at 9pm MST. That is roughly 22hrs and 50min from now.

http://media3.giphy.com/media/F5yyC4s8sdHNu/200.gif

We don't know what wolf MMM or wolf Wuf looks like, but I sorta doubt the Wuf wagon gets off to this much of a lead without any wolves on it.

Think the wolves are lying low here.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

What you say you want out of me is exactly what I'm trying to avoid since there is no way we can hunt well until we get rid of this behemoth of a disaster that is keeping people from making intelligent lynch choices.

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Maybe I see where you're coming from with this. You're afraid that people are voting for you and not someone else because you're outed, and that only when other people are outed will votes shift.

I don't know if you're right, but I assure you my votes will have very little to do with who the partner is.

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If you don't abandon this particular fight, you will likely lose the war.

Find the Vs; corner the Ws! To arms!

There is no way in hell that the village pegged wuf correctly as a wolf when the votes are the way they are. It just simply never happens.

Look at it this way:

If wuf and hoopy are both wolves, the wolves would never let this runaway train happen.
If wuf is a W and hoopy is a V, wuf would not be putting in this kind of defensive effort when his fellow wolves plan on framing him.
If wuf is a V and hoopy is a W, the wolves would be targeting hoopy instead of wuf. Otherwise, they receive no credit for a wolf lynch.

I have Drew as the strongest villager in the game so far. FML?

I think I'll sponge him until he does something dumb.

I made it as far as the wufwugy giant post.

Why no bullet points?

Why no clear one paragraph conclusion?

Why no clear and concise argument?

lynch Boog

2+ wolves here

Boog, Gabe, Daven, Keybored, Luco

I think we have a few villagers playing different this game

Villager daven always goes for wuf D1, right? That's the trope at least

wuf, I take that back, it lacks the bullet points but it is pretty clear.

I don't want to lunch wuf.

I don't trust boog but don't really want to lunch him either.

Honestly I have no idea who to lunch.

Who isn't contributing?

Rescind

Lynch bigted

He's gotta go sooner or later.

a500lbgorilla - Villrar
Baudib – MIA, null maybe slight vill
LilRascal – finally posting some reads. Has me and rillz0r leaning W because we’re abrasive? Surface level reading, leaning W
Keybored – Kinda floating D1, null so far
Ongbonga – Sounds pretty villrar so far
Gabe – still leaning v to me
BID - villrar
MMM - villrar
Wufwugy - villrar
Hoopy – lurking, leaning w
Rong – I think villrar
Boog – his last post is his least wolfy so far. Still, leaning W
Monstrman – leaning V
Bigred – MIA, null
Daven - wolfy

So the wolves are rascal hoopy boog daven

Which means it's not rascal hoopy boog daven

Well I'm obviously not lynching wuf without a super strong read that he's a wolf, which I don't have.

lynch BooG

Boog, better reveal your partner!

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

There is no way in hell that the village pegged wuf correctly as a wolf when the votes are the way they are. It just simply never happens.

Look at it this way:

If wuf and hoopy are both wolves, the wolves would never let this runaway train happen.
If wuf is a W and hoopy is a V, wuf would not be putting in this kind of defensive effort when his fellow wolves plan on framing him.
If wuf is a V and hoopy is a W, the wolves would be targeting hoopy instead of wuf. Otherwise, they receive no credit for a wolf lynch.

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Excellent post, drew is probably a villager here.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Couple things:
I've lost a lot of interest in playing werewolf. I found that WW interferes with my poker playing as well as life in general.
I spent 5 days at Borgata and crushed it, so I'm not too interested in sacrificing my poker game for WW (no money in WW, everyone solid)
I also had a dizzy/vertigo spell at work and spent 6 hours in the hospital yesterday.

I'll try to catch up. I'm still not impressed with Gabe.

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Hope you feel better soon baud, you're definitely one of the most intense/dedicated players I've ever seen. Gotta avoid that burnout.

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Originally Posted by rong

Rescind

Lynch bigted

He's gotta go sooner or later.

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Lame. Make a real choice.

If bigred wins without playing, let him.

Enough has been said about revealing pairs. I'm just going to say that imo we should do it.

Luco thinks about WW in a similar way to me, or at least his general thought process is easy for me to follow, I'm leaning towards him being villager so far based on tone.

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Originally Posted by Luco

Villager daven always goes for wuf D1, right? That's the trope at least

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Has done in most games that I remember.

Rilla, fair point.

Hoppy, bid's post is not excellent. It's wrong.

You'd get just as much cred lynching villager y and killing partner wolf x as you would the other way round. It makes no difference whatsoever.

I've still no real idea who to lynch. I kinda wanna lynch bid, I don't see why people think he seems villagery. Every time I read the thread I change my mind on people, which means I'm not getting clear feelings about anybody. If anything the more posts I read from anyone the more they stick in my mind and the more I think they could be a wolf.

Luco seemed weird, didn't really get his comments to/about mmm.

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Originally Posted by rong

I've still no real idea who to lynch. I kinda wanna lynch bid, I don't see why people think he seems villagery. Every time I read the thread I change my mind on people, which means I'm not getting clear feelings about anybody. If anything the more posts I read from anyone the more they stick in my mind and the more I think they could be a wolf.

Luco seemed weird, didn't really get his comments to/about mmm.

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you misreading me is pretty standard.

Don't see a reason to call Luco a villager.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Don't see a reason to call Luco a villager.

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That's your problem, not mine.

It's also my partner's problem, but not mine

It's kind of everyone's problem.

I think we need a different counter wagon to Boog. I'm pretty sure Wuf is a horrible lynch today.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Mod Corner

Vote Count!

(5) Wufwugy: Madmojomonkey, Daven, Ongbonga, Keybored, Boog
(3) Boog: Gabe, Rilla, BID
(1) Ongbonga: Rong
(1) Madmojomonkey: wufwugy
(1) Daven: Luco
(1) Baudib: Monstrman
(1) Gabe: Baudib

Day will End at 9pm MST. That is roughly 22hrs and 50min from now.

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13 votes. There's three non voters here. bigred, rascal, hoopy

Hoopy has voted since

The vc looks good for both wuf and boog really

Rescind

Lynch boog

I'm not over the moon with his lynch but not overly against it either and I think it's better than wuf.

I'd prob switch to Luco easy enough.

lynch keybored

Had a computer crisis and now I'm way behind. What did I miss?

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Why do you suppose self lynching is specifically ok in this game? Because it might be necessary.

I might vote for my partner. If I have enough reason to think he's a wolf, then so be it. I'd happily die if I took down a wolf.

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I didn't even read the rules but you're right, self lynching isn't modkillable. All this time I was thinking I could press the doomswitch on my partner if I sniffed him out as wolf, but I can't. i'd still have to convince the rest of you to lynch us

I think baudib is a wolf but I don't want to lynch him today because rilla.

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Originally Posted by Luco

I didn't even read the rules but you're right, self lynching isn't modkillable. All this time I was thinking I could press the doomswitch on my partner if I sniffed him out as wolf, but I can't. i'd still have to convince the rest of you to lynch us

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Nah you can just quote something he said from your QT to get you both modkilled.

I'm one step ahead of you.

This is kinda painful because I think he's a solid player and gets way too much heat in early game when he shouldn't.

That said...

lynch boog

His aggression feels forced to me.

I've got a quiet morning and some good coffee, so I'm going to do a read-thru then update my reads list going into the final stretch of this day. I'm over the Reveal discussion for d1; it is what it is at this point. But if the town reaches consensus, I'll abide.

Jesus, two additional pages since I last read this. You guys have other things to do, right?

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Originally Posted by bigred

Jesus, two additional pages since I last read this. You guys have other things to do, right?

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With your whopping 5 posts this game I suppose you're out saving the world. Strong V cred if that's the case. Smack talk for high content coming from no-content person is redonk.

Lynch Bigred

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Originally Posted by bigred

Jesus, two additional pages since I last read this. You guys have other things to do, right?

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And it had nothing to do with me!

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Originally Posted by Keybored

With your whopping 5 posts this game I suppose you're out saving the world. Strong V cred if that's the case. Smack talk for high content coming from no-content person is redonk.

Lynch Bigred

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I was going to ask if you are willfully dense but "Location: Florida" did all the talking.

Is there a list of pro-revealers vs anti revealers in regards to roles and partnerships? I know Rilla wants partners revealed and BID is Drewin' again...

I'm still not convinced that is something we want to pursue just yet.

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Originally Posted by rong

I've still no real idea who to lynch. I kinda wanna lynch bid, I don't see why people think he seems villagery. Every time I read the thread I change my mind on people, which means I'm not getting clear feelings about anybody. If anything the more posts I read from anyone the more they stick in my mind and the more I think they could be a wolf.

Luco seemed weird, didn't really get his comments to/about mmm.

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This entire first paragraph is trite - banal even. Noob level analysis of every-game D1 activities.


Paging Mr. Ronk ... Paging Mr. Ronk
Mr. Ronk, please come to the customer service desk for your complimentary W-points.

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Originally Posted by rong

I don't trust boog but don't really want to lunch him either.

Honestly I have no idea who to lunch.

Who isn't contributing?

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This is where I make a stupid joke about you said lunch instead of lynch, wolf!

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Originally Posted by bigred

Is there a list of pro-revealers vs anti revealers in regards to roles and partnerships?

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I believe there is. Let the scavenger hunt begin.

(I'm not playing)

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Originally Posted by bigred

This is where I make a stupid joke about you said lunch instead of lynch, wolf!

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ronk's phone has possibly the most aggressive autocorrect in the western world.

It's ducking retarded

A few observations:

What are past game reads on monstrman? Page 4 is odd. He is literally patting almost every player on the back with village cred. He's like the Oprah of village cred. You get a v cred, you get a v cred, WE ALL GET V CRED!!!!! Seems more blend-in motivated than helping the village.

Lilrascal lying very low with some village cred backpatting as well.

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Originally Posted by Luco

ronk's phone has possibly the most aggressive autocorrect in the western world.

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Since lynch is a legit word, autocorrect won't sub in lunch when using it. Wuf uses Lunch in lieu of Lynch. I saw him do it a buncha games back and thought it cutesy. Point is, why's Ronk suddenly mimicking Wuf's style from many games ago? Them two in each other's heads?

Bigred's laziness is starting to get under my skin.

rong often uses the word lunch. I've often wondered if it was autocorrect or style, I've never cared enough to question him on it though.

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Originally Posted by bigred

A few observations:

What are past game reads on monstrman? Page 4 is odd. He is literally patting almost every player on the back with village cred. He's like the Oprah of village cred. You get a v cred, you get a v cred, WE ALL GET V CRED!!!!! Seems more blend-in motivated than helping the village.

Lilrascal lying very low with some village cred backpatting as well.

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monstr and rascal joined FTR WW last game, and have not played here beyond that (unless I'm being really 'tarded right now).
They were invited by baudib to fill out sign-ups in baudib's Viking game. You can scan that game for their names and do a quick dig.

monstr read wolfy to most, but then claimed village vig in the last 9 minutes of D1... which saved him from lynch, but not nom.

rascal subbed in for dhubs on D2 or D3. He played a strong village game, but still got pegged as wolfy - probably due to him being unfamiliar to the FTR gang, and the complete lack of posts from him prior to his sub. I was dead before he died, but I recall him using pretty colors and coding his posts quite well. He caught a bit of heat for that, being called a tryhard.

Here's the first bold on my wagon.

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Originally Posted by gabe

rescind and lynch boog




he asked a question and said "it seems...". both things i noticed myself doing last game as a wolf and tried to stop doing.


thats good enough for me

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Obviously, I didn't take gabe's post seriously. I asked a question and that's what makes me wolfy. Seems forced and contrived. This goes unnoticed by most.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

This message brought to you by: Damn I love being right.


lynch Boog

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More excellent logical deduction.

He then throws this in there:

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Boog has yet to make a single sentence that leads me to believe he's a villager.

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And this:

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I'm suspicious of anyone who thought it was clearly wrong. Boog and now Keybored. Especially with Keybored's biting posts, that seems like a posture that I sometimes do as a wolf because posting doesn't flow from a place of comfort so maybe psyche yourself up?

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So, in the end, it's my disagreement to reveal that is used as reason to lynch me. I didn't start showing up on lists until rilla bolded me because "Damn I love being right." The reveal disagreement argument came later (and is pretty weak).
In the span of ~10 hours:

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Wuf looks like the most villagery person in this game. So for that reason, I'm voting for:


lynch boog

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

Well I'm obviously not lynching wuf without a super strong read that he's a wolf, which I don't have.


lynch BooG

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Originally Posted by rong

Rescind


Lynch boog


I'm not over the moon with his lynch but not overly against it either and I think it's better than wuf.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

This is kinda painful because I think he's a solid player and gets way too much heat in early game when he shouldn't.

That said...

lynch boog

His aggression feels forced to me.

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Again, all started by murmuring by gabe and rilla with NO details as of the why, only the what. Others threw me on their list, Wuf defended himself and I'm the backup lynch. There is almost no good reasoning here. My best defense is the speed in which my bandwagon went from wuf onto me. It's obvious that something external is making this push.

And then this from the wolf that made this happen:

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Boog, better reveal your partner!

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It all seems to forced and, though I promised to reveal when I was on the chopping block, I refuse to do it because a wolf asked me. Any non-gabe, non-rilla and non-wuf player who'd like to know, please ask. I'll gladly give it up if you feel that information will help.

I'm obviously the wolfiest villager ever as I'm lynched early on in the game every game. Just seems gabe and rilla took advantage of this.

lynch gabe

I agree with boog. I like the tone of his defence there, furthermore I feel gabe was sketchy in his vote for boog, and certainly am still reading gabe as wolfy.

Boog, who is your lover?

I am.

:puke:
I'm suddenly not feeling my W read on boog so much.

I don't love my vote on wuf. I like it some, but not nearly as much as my vote on ong last game.
Both ong and wuf pride themselves on their ability to talk their way out of lynch.

I *sigh* believe that the fear wuf revealed late yesterday was authentic, and it explains his frantic insistence on trying to bully everyone into revealing as self-preservation (not V-cred in itself, but it makes that ridiculous push of his make sense from a V perspective).

rescind wuf

lynch baudib

or ronk (maybe luco)

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Boog, who is your lover?

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Monstr.

@ Boog: Your self defense puts you in my V stack. The deep history of Rilla-Ong-Gabe causes them to naturally fall in line on some things. IMO, Hoopy & Rong are mostly followers of the big kids with seldom independent thought. BID plays both ways quite well. That said, and agreeing with your assessment, I too have Rilla and Gabe in my Wolf stack. Ong feels V to me so far in his objections to Revealing and Wolf hunting. I don't put much thought into the other 3 until they man up and take a stand on something.

I can lynch baudib. I want to make it clear that my intentions here are rilla.

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Originally Posted by BooG690

Monstr.

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Why did you do that?

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I am.

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Why did YOU do this?

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Originally Posted by Keybored

Why did YOU do this?

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To troll drew, obviously.

:popcorn:

so i'm guessing a pairing of

boog - monstr
ong - key

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

:popcorn:

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Pass some over this way.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

To troll drew, obviously.

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Would a Villager fakeclaim?
Wouldn't a wolf want to inject confusion?
SUP?

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Originally Posted by Keybored

Would a Villager fakeclaim?
Wouldn't a wolf want to inject confusion?
SUP?

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Yes. Yes. Sup.

Oh wait. "wouldn't".

Yes. No. Sup.

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Originally Posted by Keybored

Would a Villager fakeclaim?
Wouldn't a wolf want to inject confusion?
SUP?

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girls just wanna have fun

this feels like an easy hop on

I'm definitely down to switch to Gabe.

lynch Gabe

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Originally Posted by BooG690

Monstr.

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This doesn't affect anything because monstr hasn't affected anything.

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

I see wuf is leading the votes which isn't great for me. I'm gonna go actually read the thread and see what's been happening.

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Solid example of a partner's stupidity hurting an outted pair. If I was leaning W on wuf and Hoopy pulled this crap, I'm now going all in on that vote. That's a two-fer.

It's auto correct/ a fat thumb. Th u and u are next to each other.

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Originally Posted by rong

Nothing had happened by the time I went to bed. Now there's 6 pages. Da fuq?

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What's the point signing up to play if you don't like reading posts?

Rescind

Lynch Luco

This is pretty much where I'm at right now. I'm comfortable with the levels but there's high variance within them.

BID

Rilla
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Wufwugy
MMM
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Ong
Rong
Monstr
Hooey
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Lilrascal
Luco
Boog
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Keybored
bigred
daven
gabe

My list is very similar to baudib's, while putting him in bold green.

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Originally Posted by gabe

put me on your villager lists. im just typical day 1 DGAH gabe and the thoughts ive posted are all village based

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Villager Gabe doesn't come out like this...wolfy

Dgah? Don't give a hell? don't get all heavy? Dem girls are hos?

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Originally Posted by rong

I made it as far as the wufwugy giant post.
Why no bullet points?
Why no clear one paragraph conclusion?
Why no clear and concise argument?

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Why haven't you done anything to help the Village?

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Originally Posted by baudib

This is pretty much where I'm at right now. I'm comfortable with the levels but there's high variance within them.

BID

Rilla
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Wufwugy
MMM
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Ong
Rong
Monstr
Hooey
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Lilrascal
Luco
Boog
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Keybored
bigred
daven
gabe

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Just based on the past couple of posts, I could swap Keybored for anyone in the gray tier.

I invite everyone to review Gabe's opening posts in the Vikings game and compare to this one, and add in the fact that he may have slipped on the "Ong is a villager now" thing.

So...Luco playfully pokes Ronk:

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Originally Posted by Luco

ronk's phone has possibly the most aggressive autocorrect in the western world.

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I make a long reach into a possible Wuf-Rong collaboration:

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Originally Posted by Keybored

Since lynch is a legit word, autocorrect won't sub in lunch when using it. Wuf uses Lunch in lieu of Lynch. I saw him do it a buncha games back and thought it cutesy. Point is, why's Ronk suddenly mimicking Wuf's style from many games ago? Them two in each other's heads?

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Rong claims fat finger/autocorrect:

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Originally Posted by rong

It's auto correct/ a fat thumb. Th u and u are next to each other.

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But in these two earlier posts, Rong first uses LUNCH in reference to WUF (originator of the term). And then does it two more times. I'm not buying the fat-finger defense and autocorrect won't affect this. I'm now convinced there's a Rong-Wuf collaboration. And cuz I know Wuf's partner, it ain't happening in the private chat. After this game, the W-den will confirm.

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Originally Posted by rong

I don't want to lunch wuf.

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Originally Posted by rong

I don't trust boog but don't really want to lunch him either. Honestly I have no idea who to lunch.

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And cuz I don't know Rong's partner and cuz I get wolfy vibes off Wuf and cuz Hoopy (wuf's mate) has been dead weight to the village, my decision is made:

LYNCH WUF & his mini me.

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Originally Posted by baudib

I invite everyone to review Gabe's opening posts in the Vikings game and compare to this one, and add in the fact that he may have slipped on the "Ong is a villager now" thing.

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At the risk of appearing to butter you, I think this point deserves this attention. Gabe slipped. Go back and read #22 y'all.

Oh my, it's already been stated by two people that this is a frequent occurrence. Not sure what more you want. Look at a keyboard, the u is next to the u, I'm generally typing on the fly, this shit just happens.

U and y, not u and u, obv.

Wuf/Hoopy now and Gabe/??? tomorrow probly.

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Originally Posted by rong

Oh my, it's already been stated by two people that this is a frequent occurrence. Not sure what more you want. Look at a keyboard, the u is next to the u, I'm generally typing on the fly, this shit just happens.

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I have and they are. I'm giving you W point for a possible Wuf collaboration and W point for not contributing anything yet. Both are slightly weak hits but you're not providing anything else to go on. So I'm gonna let you simmer on the low burner until I get more from you.

I'm down with a gabe lynch after today. I actually never noticed the gabe slip and would like to hear his thoughts on it. I suspect he'll say something along the lines of "ong will blame his spew on the idea that he's a spewing villager," or something like that.

I feel like I'm not gaining any steam on this but I still feel really confident you're a wolf baudib.

Baudib, why do I feel that way?

Re: LILRASCAL...

In post 168, 182, & 195, LilRascal goes into some math shit. All the while he's incorrectly using 18 players as his base. IMO, a wolf wouldn't have used the same wrong head count over that span of time w/o a fellow wolf correcting him in the den or ITT right away. For that and his overall village vibe, I give LilRascal a solid V read right now.

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Originally Posted by Keybored

Wuf/Hoopy now and Gabe/??? tomorrow probly.

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If you truly believe gabe slipped, why don't you try to lynch him today?