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rescind, lynch ong
Sigh.
Rescind Monstr, lynch Ong
Ain't even mad.
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Woof woof to those two votes if he flips villagerQuote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Why does it keep quoting Hoopy
STOP QUOTING HOOPY
DAY IS OVER
15 minutes for corrections to vote count.
::::running heuristics:::::
:::::counting widgets:::::
:::::spinning hamsters:::::
:::::reticulating splines:::::
VC
Ong 7
Monstrman 3
Keybored 1
Daven 1
Hoopy 1
BID 1
::::hamsters spinning out of control:::::
OngBonga has been lynched.
Spoiler:http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/t...ib/serpent.jpg
You are the Midgard Serpent, known as Jormungand. You are the sworn enemy of Thor.
You are a 1x 100% day vig. Once per game, you may choose one player to be killed. Chances of death may be modified by other players or actions.
If Thor reveals his identity or role in game while you are alive, you will be awarded a second day vig.
You are a wolf and win when you reach parity with the village.
Night actions due by 3 a.m. EST.
Thread is locked.
Mod Corner:
Q: What is the order of night actions?
A: All night targeting actions occur simultaneously.
Q: Do attack percentages from multiple parties stack?
A: No, every attack is treated as a separate act.
A hail of daggers flew at Monstrman.
::::rolling hit dice:::::::
Spoiler:
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/t...audib/thor.jpg
You are Thor, the god of thunder. You are the son of Odin and the brother of Loki.
You are an every night vigilante. On each night, you may target a player to die. You start with a base 50% chance of killing, but this percentage may be increased or decreased due to other factors.
You may develop other abilities as the game progresses.
You win when all threats to the village are eliminated.
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/t...6cacdc218.jpeg
At the time of his death, Thor had received a message from Loki and earned a special power
The two longtime friends had agreed. The watchful god illuminated the figure in the darkness, and his wounded ally threw a mighty hammer.
::::rolling hit dice::::
Keybored has fallen.
Spoiler:
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/t...in_outline.png
You are Torstein, a a loyal ally of Ragnar Lothbrok.
You are a vanilla villager. You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon.
You may acquire new abilities as the game progresses.
You win when all threats to the village are eliminated.
At the time of his death, Torstein had gained a special power.
::::rolling hit dice::::
A tall figure in a proud helm was found lying in the frozen wasteland. Ravens blacker than night circled above, screaming in distress.
It was BankItDrew, his heart ripped out.
Spoiler:
You are Odin, the all father, king of Asgard and father of Thor and Loki.
You are a variable seer.
You once sacrificed your eye for wisdom. On night 0, you will receive a randomized villager peek. On each odd night thereafter, you may learn the role (Vanilla, vig etc) of any player you choose. On each even night, you may learn the affiliation (villager, wolf) of any player you choose.
You win when all threats to the village are eliminated.
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/t...audib/odin.jpg
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/t...ib/Seer_c1.png
THE BLIND SEER* SPEAKS
The Northman, dressed in furs, his head shaved except for a single braided knot, entered the tent of the shaman.
The smell was a mixture of rancid meat and sickly sweet burning candles.
The seer, whose eyes could not be seen beneath an unnatural growth of swollen flesh hanging from his forehead, had jaundiced, reptilian skin and bleeding black lips. He was said to be 950 years old. Some say he was older and could remember the time when Yggdrasil was born to the multiverse.
"Tell me old man, did you know what would happen? What did you do about it?"
"I see what the gods allow me to see, " the shaman whispered, "and say what they allow me to say."
"As unhelpful as ever," the frustrated Northman said. "So you saw nothing, or said nothing? Old man, this is serious business. The fate of men and gods hangs in the balance."
"And you know that you cannot change your fate!" the shaman wheezed.
"Know this though," he continued. "These are indeed dark, dark times. A strange epoch. Question your gods, put faith in men. And women. ... The gods always smile on brave women.
"One woman in particular...."
"I don't understand," the mortal warrior said.
"This is true," said the seer.
He paused. He actually smiled!
"Know this: Gaining knowledge is not always as crucial as the way in which you gained it. I can tell you truths that will sink your heart and lead you to fall into despair. Or I can be silent and let you cling to your hopes..."
The Northman stood up.
"Your warrior Torstein...he would have been favored with the wisdom of Odin, had he only lived. The gods giveth, yet the gods also taketh away."
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The seer expectantly reached out a decrepit hand, taloned by gruesome claws. At this sign, the warrior leaned down with a reverent bow, slid his tongue out of his mouth. He licked the old man's palm, as was custom,and quietly left without another word.
* The blind seer and the Northman are non-playing characters (NPC) who do not impact the game but give cryptic information.
IMPORTANT MOD NOTE
There will be no majority lynch in effect until the village is in mortal danger -- that is, one mislynch away from losing. This is known as "must lynch."
-- at Must Lynch, all votes will be locked in and cannot be changed or rescinded
-- a vote of "No Lynch" will be allowed
-- self-voting will not result in modkill
Keith, a vanilla villager, shot Day 1
OngBonga, a wolf day vig, lynched Day 1
Monstrman, a village vig, killed Night 1
Keybored, a vanilla villager, killed Night 1
BankItDrew, a village seer, killed Night 1
The Living
Boog
Daven
Dhubermex
Gabe
Hoopy
JKDS
Luco
MadMojoMonkey
Rong
Wufwugy
2 Frost Giants
1 Trickster God
7 Vikings
IT IS DAY. YOU MAY POST.
In order to not end day in the middle of the weekend, when games are slow, End of Day will be 11 p.m. EST on Sunday.
oh shit we lost the seer
carnage
Uggghhh I was happy that Ong got lynched yesterday (wolf spazz ftw), particularly the way there was last minute vote changes which clear Luco imo.
Losing the vig & seer this early is bad though. When I get back tonight I'm going to scan the thread to see if drew dropped a hint on his randomized n0 lookup.
Boog rong daven, all went for monstr
One wolf in there, and one likely on ong
Hoops & mojo clear. Hoopy drew's n0 lookup was clearly ong, I've just looked
Wow, carnage.
Ongs play was odd, I assume my original assessment of his reasons was accurate.
I'm confused by all the death.
Keith : day vigged by ong.
ong : lynched.
Monster?
keyboard?
bid?
Monster wolf killed.
One of the other 2 vigged, the third?
Keyboard vigged by monster.
Stuck on bid.
Need to see if drew left a clue re his night 0 villager peek. That could be amusing.
Was drew given a n0 random player peek or random villager peek? Could mean it couldn't be ong. If it was ong and was obvious could explain the ong spaz.
Does the sk get night kills?
From op:
Serial killer (Loki)
There is a neutral serial killer in the game (Loki)
On night 0, you get a true affiliation peek. On each night thereafter, you may choose to be vig or bulletproof.
You appear to be vanilla villager to any seer.
So explains the other death.
Yeah it does say seer would be given a n0 villager peek so it's not ong
This is all I could find.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
For reasons I described here (clickable link), Wuf is looking SUSPECT.
Agreed that OP shows many examples of very specific word choice.
E.g. affiliation vs role ; player vs villager vs target
It seems to be a distinction that is made consistently.
If BID's peek was any player, it seems it must have been ong. He waffles a bit near the end, but holds his vote. I don't know if BID would pull the ruse of waffling. My gut says no. So the peek was not Ong, and BID did pick up some read on Ong's earliest posts. (Nice work, BID)
Assuming the peek was def. of a V:
He claims his first bold on wuf was a joke, but that means wuf wasn't his V-peek.
BID drops a bold on dhubs in post #137, so that rules out dhubs.
Then monstrman in #143.
(daven's #144 clears him from my perspective.)
BID's #149, "Daven is a villager" comes right behind that... maybe his peek.
BID #237 says "hoopys post was very wolfy" - not hoopy
#239 - BID says "boog wolfin" - not boog
#297 cites player moral for reason he's not voting gabe - prob. not gabe.
#339 "Solid keybored villager post" - maybe his peek was key
- This triggers the "is this sarcasm" ; "no" interaction.
#363 - "The suit is black" ?? dafuq?
Unmentioned - JKDS*, Keith, Luco, MMM, Rong
Unlikely - gabe
Likely - daven, keybored
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Daven's "nope" in #144 basically clears him. It came when wolves would NOT want to be pushing that angle at all.
gabe's vote on ong looks pretty legit for V-cred.
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*BID said that JKDS and ong are not both wolves, but I don't like something about it.
Personally, I think we shouldQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
lynch rong
at this time, but I agree that wuf is suspect. Wuf's post count for D1 last game (when he was V) was 119. This game, his D1 post count is 18.
However, rong has 37 posts of benign distractions that don't even hint at making me smile, let alone laugh out loud.
If you can't be helpful OR funny, then GTFO.
Also:
dhubs vote on BID stinks of the possibility of special hunting, but I think dhubs is way too clever to openly push a special hunt in the thread if he was a wolf, so I'm going to give a tentative reduction in my suspicion of dhubs.
JKDS needs to make that case I assume is coming. If no case, then JKDS is lurking. A lurking JKDS is the most dangerous kind.
I'm down with wuf, as I said yesterday, he normally screams villager but this game doesn't. There's a definite change to his tone.
monstrman (Thor) was killed by a hail of daggers (multiple killers = Frost Giants = wolves).Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
keybored (Torstein) was killed by monstrman (Thor's hammer), possibly with the assistance of the targeter:
"The two longtime friends had agreed. The watchful god illuminated the figure in the darkness, and his wounded ally threw a mighty hammer."
BID (Odin) had his heart ripped out - sounds like the SK's work to me.
Wuf conveniently finished the day with this. His vote was locked on Hoopy. Ong was on the ropes. As a wolf, it's in his best interest to stop posting early in hopes that it relieves him of any decision to make in regards to Ong.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
@boog: Agreed on wuf.
I meant the note on post count to be in addition to your other comments. Clearly the post counts mean nothing when taken out of context.
If it's not clear, I am in line with you on wuf. I have agreed with your criticisms throughout D1*, but my attention was on Ong.
Wuf has played an incredibly wolfy game as a villager recently, so that's on my mind, too.
I'm coming down on the side of his play this game being NOT like the game where everyone spazzed 'cause the Cursed Villager role was awesome. Frankly, I'm not sure how intentional it was, but the wolfiness of everyone's play in that game hid the village specials from the wolves incredibly well.
*I haven't done a thorough dig on what you've said about wuf, but I don't recall disagreeing with any points you've made.
Ok, I finally have time for this.
So a quick summary of what happened late yesterday.
monstr and ong were tied at 4 each with 10 mins left, must check who was leading tie breaker.
boog votes monstr, maybe playing on the fact that the thread was empty and EOD was very close. Risky though.
monstr votes ong.
monstr leads tie break by getting to 5 first.
Switch by luco with 2 mins left, confirmed as villager imo.
boog switches to ong straight after.
Ong was leading the tiebreaker when they were tied at 4 votes each.
next game we play where ong is spazzing out, please remember this game.
this new info means time for a reread. the posts on this page have me leaning towards wuf being a good place to start. jkds is suspicious too
daven dhuber jkds wuf arent helping the village. there has to be at least 1 wolf in there
boog is playing very shady. he plainly hops on after the tiebreaker. also..
doesnt the whole "i dont like being told what to do" routine seem a little weird? its probably boog projecting something from the den with ong. ong pulled a crazy day 1 move and wanted boog to do something to help ong not die, but it didnt happen. add in the fact that boog is rusty and he might have let himself post this without thinking what it revealsQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
lynch boog
Read through all of drew's posts to try and find his random n0 villager lookup.
Maybe hinting that he knows JKDS isn't wolfing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Very direct right after daven pointed out that ong wasn't cleared just for being a day vig. Most likely hint.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Probably nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
i think i see two explanations for why ong shot keith. one is that hee could have thought that because of everything that went down, it meant keith was a likely special. i don't think what went down with keith suggested he was a special at all, but i can think of why ong may have thought it did. as a wolf, ong's shot was worse than if he's a villager imo and something he is less likely to do as a wolf than villager imo UNLESS he thought keith was a special
the other option is that ong was tired of wolfing (he's gotten it a shitload recently). i think this is more likely than thinking keith is a special
i see people are looking at me. it's always fun when that happens. three things i'd like to say:
(1) if ong and i are wolves together he would be ecstatic about wolfing since it would be my first time in many years, i have loads of cool theories on how to wolf that i havent told anybody, and everybody thinks that i would be fun to wolf with. this means that if his keith shot came from him spazzing or whatever from not liking that he rolled wolf again, im not a wolf with him since he wouldnt feel that way if i was.
(2) the last time i was a baddy (pseudo-wolf role), i convinced everybody that i was the most villagery looking person on the planet. not just that was a villager, but that everything i did looked villagery
(3) my hours have always been different than everybody elses. during school weeks im completely absent for about 20 hour stretches. additionally, i just switched my major to math (which im terrible at), so ive been a bit extra focused on making sure i can succeed. this is probably the best explanation for rong's claim that he can't clear me when he normally can by now. simply put, my priorities are changing, and that has included no longer trying to clown all youse foolz at ww. instead, just having fun and playing on intuition. it's not like my hyper-analytical style ever did me any good anyways
i dont think you could say 1) as a wolf
so good job
What? How was that remotely a good defense?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Ong made it clear he didn't think Keith was a special. Sure, he was a wolf saying that but he was most likely telling the truth there. Keith is never ever ever ever a special there and Ong knew that. Moreover, you're smart enough to know that Ong knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
We're talking about the same Ong here, right? You honestly think Ong would find out he's a wolf, say MEH, and just throw the game? You HONESTLY think Ong wouldn't care about winning epicly? You know Ong better than that, Wuf.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
So, by your logic, since Ong threw the game (or was tired of being a wolf or whatever), you CAN'T be a wolf since you're so much fun to be a wolf with? That Ong would NEVER throw the game (I re-iterate the idea that Ong would play like he didn't care is ridiculous) because he'd be so goddamn excited to be a wolf with you? This is weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
This is the equivalent of you saying: I'm such a good wolf that I would never get caught. I only look like a wolf when I'm a villager. I'm SO villagery when I'm a wolf. Therefore, I can't be a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I'm not even gonna explain why THAT argument lacks any logic.
You signed up for this game knowing you'd have school. You love this game. You mean to tell me that you won't take a break from these apparent "20 hour stretches" of straight studying to check the forum? ESPECIALLY as the day is winding down? That's horseshit. You wanted to avoid a tough decision with your wolf buddy Ong on the chopping block.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
My vote was on Keybored. Why would I EVER leave it there? Why would I have my vote NOT count for something? I thought Ong was a villager. I even flirted with the idea of lynching monstr due to his being hard to read later in the game. Me flipping to monstr was the move I make every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
As for the "I don't like being told what to do," fuck Ong telling me what to do. If THAT'S the argument for voting me, meh.
i agreed with ong, which is partly why i didnt think ong would have thought he was a special. after finding out ong was a wolf, it means ong may have lied ittQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
i agree that keith isnt a special there, but there is a case for it.
looks like you dont get ong. he doesnt care about winning epicly that often. he gives up as wolf some of the time. he is tired of getting wolf. he has said as much several times. it is reasonable to assume that he would play more recklessly as a wolf. it isnt that he would choose to play badly (he wouldnt), but that he would gravitate towards rationalizations that require less of the same kind of stuff he did the million other times he was wolf in the last few gamesQuote:
We're talking about the same Ong here, right? You honestly think Ong would find out he's a wolf, say MEH, and just throw the game? You HONESTLY think Ong wouldn't care about winning epicly? You know Ong better than that, Wuf.
if the logic is that ong was tired of wolfing, then it means i am unlikely wolf. you're free to have whatever logic you want, i'll just point out what's consistent.Quote:
So, by your logic, since Ong threw the game (or was tired of being a wolf or whatever), you CAN'T be a wolf since you're so much fun to be a wolf with? That Ong would NEVER throw the game (I re-iterate the idea that Ong would play like he didn't care is ridiculous) because he'd be so goddamn excited to be a wolf with you? This is weak.
no, that is like me saying "you've seen how i played baddy in the past".Quote:
This is the equivalent of you saying: I'm such a good wolf that I would never get caught. I only look like a wolf when I'm a villager. I'm SO villagery when I'm a wolf. Therefore, I can't be a wolf.
I'm not even gonna explain why THAT argument lacks any logic.
ive been baddy twice. both times my goal was to make myself look as villagery as possible. it is reasonable to assume that if i was a wolf this time, i might do the same thing instead of this current play that everybody says looks wolfy
ive posted about the 20 hours stretches several times in the past. during school, once i have dinner, i tend to not get back online until the afternoon of the next day.Quote:
You signed up for this game knowing you'd have school. You love this game. You mean to tell me that you won't take a break from these apparent "20 hour stretches" of straight studying to check the forum? ESPECIALLY as the day is winding down? That's horseshit. You wanted to avoid a tough decision with your wolf buddy Ong on the chopping block.
funny how this contradicts your claim that my sitting on hoopy and going afk was wolfyQuote:
My vote was on Keybored. Why would I EVER leave it there? Why would I have my vote NOT count for something? I thought Ong was a villager. I even flirted with the idea of lynching monstr due to his being hard to read later in the game. Me flipping to monstr was the move I make every time.
As for the "I don't like being told what to do," fuck Ong telling me what to do. If THAT'S the argument for voting me, meh.
i see several reasons for liking a boog lynch
lynch boog
just wanna point this out because i think boog is cognizant of having to do that himself. kinda funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
might as well post some other stuff about boog i guess. i feel like a lot of his den-thoughts are seeping into the thread. example:
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Originally Posted by BooG690
what an interesting change in opinion those two posts wereQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
i had to double take this one at first since it doesnt seem like anything boog would say unless he was wolfing and either the wovles told him that ong has tremendously improved seen boog last played. or obv since ong is a wolf, it makes it even more like boog would think/say this if he is also a wolf
i put it on the back burner becuase i remembered like 2/3 years ago ong and boog were wolves together and they won well. i feel like boog might not much remember that though
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Originally Posted by BooG690
Ok, im caught up.
One thing, Daven is clearly BID's look up. The seer said one player was a villager in the entire thread, and only one player. He did it explicitly, in clear terms. Daven is obv villa.
Boog gut feels wolfy, but theres a lot going against that and I think he is actually almost confirmed villa. I dont even know how that makes sense. While he is being very aggressive/defensive atm, he also hard defended Ong late in the day, and switched off of monstrman at the same time as Luco. Boog didnt have to do that as wolf, and likely wouldnt. There were only 2 minutes left till deadline when he did so, and could easily have feigned missing reveal. Defending ong as he did previously is pretty bizarre as well, given how much heat ong was getting. Reading through the thread, Ong seems like he was shitting his pants the entire time, especially in his arguments with Drew. It doesnt make sense. Im not lynching him here, and in spite of his aggressively defensive style (which I think is normal? I dont remember) I dont see a reason to lynch him.
Luco gets to be near confirmed villa too, for the same 'switch from monstr with 2min to go' reasons. The only way either of Luco/Boog are wolves is if they dont understand who got to 5 votes first and dont understand how ties are resolved.
MMM seems villagery. His posts feel genuine, especially post 186 where he nails 3 villagers and ong as a wolf. His feelings regarding keith dont seem out of place when compared to other feelings expressed itt either, which makes sense for a villager genuinely feeling things.
Wuf seems super wolfy. I'm not playing the WIFOM game about how he'd seem more villagery as a wolf. Whatever. This isnt normal wuf style and his post explaining the impossibility of a Ong -wuf team is missing the character wuf normally brings. Way back when keith self lynched, wuf lynches keith, ong lynches wuf in response, and then rescinds pretty quickly. That whole exchange seems disingenuine, as Ong didnt even wait to see if his wuf lynch would catch on.
lynch Wuf
Dhubs is w/e. He made one post supporting ong, one post attacking him.
Rong is w/e. Seems like he defended ong more than anything, but the whole thing where Ong says "Id have shot you, but itd be spazz" is weird for a w-w pair. Rong said he'd shoot ong if he had a gun way early in the game, and ong doesnt get back to that till he's exhausted his power and was in danger of lynch. Feels like he was scared of rong or something. Idk.
Gabe looks good, but I cant differentiate him from his wolf game anymore. He adamantly supports an ong lynch at various points to his credit, but it also seems like he did so when it was safe to do so. He didnt discuss Ong in the early game when BID was going at him though, and didnt strongly push ong until Ong killed keith and ong was pretty suspicious. I think this is ultimately villagery.
Hoopy seems wolfy too. Hes not talking about ong in the early game, takes him awhile to discuss the keith shot, and doesnt make any other impactful posts.
We should lynch from Wuf, Hoopy, and Dhubs. Anyone in the above can probably be the serial killer, but its a waste to discuss it. We win by killing the frost giants, so screw loki.
None of what wuf just posted is consistent in any way with how he normally defends against votes, except for voting his attacker.
ong is one of the few people who tells his fellow wolves to not be afraid of throwing him under the bus if he's already going down. he has said as much in one of my mods. boog is one of the few players who would switch to ong at the end like that. gator has done something similar. it should be noted that boog is a very tricky wolf, but in a subtle way. i gave him goatwolf status a long time ago (in the game he won with ong) because put his vote in the one spot that would make everybody think he was definitely not a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
granted, this doesnt mean boog is a wolf because it is ALSO what any villager would do there
can you imagine how much i would be sweating if i was a wolf? keeping people off my back would be pretty easy and my fellow wolves would be telling me how badly im playingQuote:
Wuf seems super wolfy. I'm not playing the WIFOM game about how he'd seem more villagery as a wolf. Whatever. This isnt normal wuf style and his post explaining the impossibility of a Ong -wuf team is missing the character wuf normally brings.
this is hardly a winning wolf strategy.
Wuf, your arguments are so bad.
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Originally Posted by BooG690
How does what I said contradict my claim that your "AFK" game is wolfy? Are you saying I was AFK? Your last post was at 11:06 PM EST on 01/14/2015. MY last post (before my string of pre-deadline posts) was at 1:12 PM EST on 01/15/2015. The deadline was at 3:00 PM EST on 01/15/2015. How the HELL can you even say I'm contradicting myself by pointing out your "Guys, I can't help out prior to deadline b/c I'm so bad at maths" BS?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
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Originally Posted by BooG690
See above. I don't undestand where you're getting the idea that I was remotely AFK.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Wuf, what are you trying to conjure up here? How are you comparing my presence in this game to yours? It seems you're grasping at straws here and buddying up with gabe in hopes of getting me lynched.
his is what you saidQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
this means that your argument for me being wolf by sitting on hoopy is the opposite argument for why you're claiming you not sitting on keybored makes you villageryQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
you said im a wolf because i made my vote not count for something. then you said you're not a wolf because you made your vote count for something. this means that if i was a wolf i would also be looking to make my vote count for something just like you did (using your phrasing)
if you were a wolf you could have absolved yourself from making a decision just like you claim i did. you said you wouldnt do, which logically means you cant use it against me
granted there is a possiblity that this is a pov tell that you're villager. i'll have to look at that
its hard to argue with any of what jkds posted (especially the part about me being the ultimate villager). his boog stance is just based on some vague multilevel reads, which he might think was effective at saving his wolf buddy. also jkds has tricked me before with the inactive style that drops a huge word bomb to convince the village.
i retract daven from my previous list. BID made it pretty clear. drew just cant post that without it being true
i agree that MMM seems villagery but luco is only one cleared. luco could be loki
why is luco cleared
luco straight up killed ong instead of monstrman
A loki luco would be locoQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Sorry I'm durnk
timing of luco's post exact same as boog
it's also possible that a wolf would choose to do that. if it wasnt ong i would say otherwise, but ong loves telling the den how much trouble he's in and to not protect him
ong was like 4th or 5th on my list, it's just monstr was way lowerQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I didn't switch from monstr either, I think I was ondaven?
keep it simple, key boog daven rong were all on monstr
key ded, daven prolly n0 lookup, boog has 11th hr switcheroo so
lynch rong
ez game
thank you i'm here all week
http://nathanmassengill.com/nam2/wp-...unches-dog.jpg
Drunk Luco actually making some sense.
http://i.imgur.com/gcDvw.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Is that the "not a very strong team" post? Sick read, huh? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
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Wait. What?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFile...3/81175064.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Timing thing is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
It was after the hard claim.
"Not protecting him" and "showing up out of nowhere to drop the hammer" are different things.
Luco was not active in the thread at that time and could have claimed AFK.
Boog had recently switched from keybored to monstrman, which was immediately followed by monstrman's hard claim of Thor.
Boog could be a wolf who felt cornered into the vote on ong at that point. Maybe not.
It's a tough call.
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Other most recent poster aside from keybored was rong, who posted ~20 minutes prior to the hard claim, and didn't move his vote afterward.
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One thing is certain. Ong was not in the thread at that point. The hard claim of Thor gave Ong a 2nd dayvig shot, which Ong had 9 minutes to use and didn't.
So the argument that Ong was in wolfchat telling people what to do at that time is no good.
ong would have told the other wolves to put him under long before that time of day. granted i dont think he would have done it that heavily earlier. the times he has done it has been when it's d3 and he had to fight a ton
This is more damning evidence against rong. Combined with Luco's drunk logic, I'll get off my wufwugy kick (though I'm still watching you) and Lynch rong.Quote:
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let's do it
lynch rong
i see where rong looks wolfy but its not enough to lynch him. besides i dont want to hop on the same wagon as wuf/boog
if rong is wolf then these two are probably not
I dont see Rong as a wolf. Being on monstr doesnt say anything for me, as we already found a wolf on that wagon. I dont think a last minute vote on monstr is something a wolf would do either, given wolfwuggy's fact that ong encourages other wolves to vote him in dire situations. Rong has this decently long back and forth with Ong earlier in the thread over the triple voting stuff, and that does not seem like a staged discussion. He defended ong a few times, but ong is a tricky bastard and loads of people defended him (daven, boog, and myself off the top of my head).
Woflwuggy doesnt do these things though. He isnt voting ong in places that would be weird for wolves to do it, he isnt defending ong or voting monstr at risky moments, hes just kinda there. He and ong have what seems like a staged back and forth as well when discussing keith's affiliation, even a part where ong votes him and then immediately backs off. Hes also very quick to jump on rong, in spite of boog (his previous vote) being all for it.
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Ong's rescind was almost instant (within 2min). He is not interested in seeing how others respond to his attack on wuf, because he doesnt actually want an attack on wuf to go anywhere. If wuf is a villager, then the wolves went against their best interest and attempted to discredit someone who was discrediting a potentially confirmed villager. This doesnt make sense on its face. As bullshit, it makes plenty of sense.Quote:
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Contrast that with this back and forth with Rong
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Ong goes at great length to attack rong (doing it in a few different posts), and ong is very slow to back down. These scenarios are different. Rong seems like he was posting stream of conscience though, and seemed like he was genuinely arguing with ong (even including lots of statements relating to being understood properly and not knowing how ong would respond to them). Ong was also hesitant to vote Rong here, whereas he voted wuf quickly. This reads how a wolf attacking a villager would read.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Lynch wuf
I'm at a wedding, been driving for 5 hrs and now at a hotel, formally kicks off at 4.30 so should be able to join in before then and then back home about 32 hrs from now.
Fuck i'm still hungover
Dhuber said he wants to redeem himself this game. Where is he?
The Mrs has left her dress her home, cue small emotional breakdown, now off to buy a new one (fuck my bank balance) so I' now attempting to get 3yr old and 5yr old girls dressed and hair done. This means two things. 1, they won't look good. and 2. My day in ww is done, probably.
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I would agree but I have a reservation that is strong enough to note: It's not EOD, and a maj vote doesn't end the day.Quote:
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Votes cast early in the day hold slightly less weight when there is no hammer.
(Lol, Thor dies, there is no hammer vote... intentional, baud?)
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Early morning catch-up has me thinking JKDS is reading pretty tone-pure for Village. Also, I feel like those 2 recent longer posts have a lot of meat in them and are mostly directed at me (at least my vote), so I need to re-read them and look at context.
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Weekend VC incoming (baudib asked me to help out with VC's, and it seems like a fine time to do one.)
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player (# votes) - who's voting for them {post count}
rong (4) - boog {6}, Luco {9}, MMM {7}*, wuf {11}
wuf (2) - JKDS {6}, rong {10}
boog (1) - gabe {7}
Not Voting - daven {0}, dhubs {0}, hoopy {4}
Tie breaker order:
1 vote: rong, boog, wuf
2 votes: boog, rong, wuf
3 votes: rong
4 votes: rong
It is Day 2.
*I had 7 posts prior to this VC. This is my 8th post of the day.
(I reserve the right to edit a VC post, since it contains no commentary or opinion. I would only edit this post to correct the facts.)
*sigh*
EDIT: Added 1 to my post count. I didn't count my post immediately prior to the VC, and my post count was off by 1.
Thinking about it though if Luco is a wolf surely the far better play with 2mins left is to just let monstr die. It saves a wolf (ong) and gets rid of a special and the next day people are going to go after boog for his late switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
boog and luco both being wolves would mean they decided to join ong on the non stop train to FPSville.
lynch dhuber
Still awol, nothing from him yet.
Good to see JKDS & gabe are starting to be more active.
With the dress fiasco, draining of his bank balance and trying to get little kids to look presentable I fear the pressure of a bandwagon may cause rong to snap and turn into a gibbering lunatic.Quote:
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Might hop on, we'll see.
In a brief distraction from the rong/wuf/boog investigation:
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This is dhubs only significant post. He has made 2 posts, but the first is more of a "hi, guys" post.
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dhubs on Keith (is a sad face)
dhubs on BID: wrong
dhubs on MMM: wrong
Just when I've learned to worship at the altar of dhubs beastly reads, I find my faith shattered.
dhubs leaves his vote on BID at EOD... then BID is SK'd.
:/
Smells like a setup.
I think dhubs is practically cleared from SK.
:/
LOKI SPEAKS
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odin is ded but he is not the only seer in this game
i looked up wuf n0, and the result was villager
you're welcome
lol toldja
the last thing imma do as a wolf is look like a wolf. ww101. buy my book
this is accurate 90% of the time. i just know i got burned hard in the anon game or one of the others around it where we had wagonomics look like certainly players are never wolves yet they were wolvesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
but if im being straightforward about it, you're mostly right. a problem tho is that there is always something wacky in every game. always and i hate it. it makes me feel dumb. I DONT LIKE FEELING DUMB
thanks loki but i hope you didnt waste a power doing that. i think the case on me was brittle. not that people didnt believe it, but that it was the kind that could shatter under a little pressure.
my trump card was that i never voted for monstr or any counter wagon to ong. i think that alone would be good enough to get people off me for d2 at least
which necessarily means the people we should look at today are those who voted for monstr or a counterwagon to ong. not that there are definitely wolves in it, but it's the starting place. things could easily be like the anon game where this logic doesnt work at all, sadly
I'm not sure how much weight to put in something attested to by the God of Lies and Mischief.
If the mod is straight BS'ing us in the game, though, then wtf kind of game is this?
Also, doesn't the SK (Loki) read as VV?
Is this a read given by the SK, so we know it's not the SK?
I mean: The mod would have us believe that the read comes from Loki (the SK), and I assume Loki didn't read himself.
-.-
so the read is of a VV, and - the one who could read VV when they're not - is not the one who was read. *pant* *gasp*
or Loki is full of shit, can't read, and wuf is Loki, who just told us he read himself as V, which is BS.
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Screw this. I choose to act in a way that the mod is not BS'ing the thread, and accept that wuf is VV.
Incorporating.
lol ya i just looked back and realized loki is the sk
on the face it looks like he's siding with the village, but maybe not. there are other options
btw loki if youse tryna pull a fast one and imitate me, two things: (1) i wouldnt imitate me, i'd try to look like somebody not me. (2) id say youse instead of you're.
youse welcome
this game is great
Rong #163 still feels weird, as I mentioned in #265.
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The thing about boog is that he keeps saying things that are true, but not insightful. When people say things that don't change my perspective, I wonder if they're not playing a high level game, or if they're wolfing and hiding behind obvious statements.
This has been the fulcrum of my hesitation to toss V-cred at boog.
boog #270 seems like he's putting real pressure on wuf:
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... except the 2nd level angle-shoot says that the mod is swapping in a replacement because the loss of a VV is sad, but the loss of a PR early on D1 completely fucks up the balance of roles. It's a risk the mod takes with dayvigs. However, Keith's quit was something the mod can deal with by replacement.
I think there is a high chance that ong saw baudib's choice to replace as evidence of non-vanilla status of Keith's role.
(I'd like to note that I'm talking about what ong did and why, and I'm not focusing on what baud did and why.)
I think there's 0 other chance that Ong took that shot. Ongwolf did not use his dayvig on someone he truly thought was VV.
You'd have to pretend Ong is foolish, and while his defense was that he acted impulsively, I think there was more to it than that.
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Effectively cleared: daven, gabe, luco ... wuf?
I'm leaning Village right now: Hoopy, JKDS
(hoopy directly kissing my ass in #361 gives me some reservation.)
Suspect: boog, dhubs, rong
Seems too easy.
I can move my vote to boog anytime, but rong is in the lead, and I'm voting with Luco... and wuf.
I can vote dhubs, too, but he deserves a chance to post on D2 before I go there. His 2 posts on D1 are not altogether incriminating, aside from personal meta tells. I.e. no vanilla comment and his reads that we know about were not up to his beastly rep.
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I'm reading wuf's recent 4 posts as very comfortable, conf. V wuf, if it counts for anything.
late day wagonomics
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not exactly sure what i think, just posting this so i can reference it easily again
Rescind wuf
Smoke break!
I see I'm top of wagon, don't lynch me before tomorrow night. At least allow me a defense.
join me on the boog wagon and maybe you dont have to defend yourself
its weird we should just trust loki...could wuf be loki? im slightly confused by these characters