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I've never been to Salisbury, let alone the station. But I have been to many, many train stations in the UK, and it's very easy to step out onto the road and simply walk the wrong way, especially if you're not in any hurry to go anywhere in particular. Maybe they just went whatever way they felt like?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Am...d51.068785!3e0Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's not a country road 10 miles north of Salisbury that we're talking about. It's Salisbury city centre. Show some photos of how horrid it was there on March 3rd to compare to the dryish conditions that miraculously appeared on the 4th and you'll have a better case.
What's the theory here, the weather on that website was faked? It shows no rain, sleet, or snow on the 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Show me pictures of these guys in Salisbury fighthing their way through snow and sleet and soaked up to their knees as they claimed if that's your story.
If they come out of the station onto Chruchfields Road, and turn right instead of left, they'll do a loop and will be on the A-road heading back into Salisbury. That's one way they could end up on the wrong side.
Easy.
if someone happens to be poisoned near where they got lost, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
if the rest of their story is also fishy, yes.
Seems easier to believe than the idea they went all the way from Moscow to see S.C. and didn't have a plan for how to get there, but instead just wandered around the city hoping they would find it.
Salisbury city centre would have been gritted. Dryish conditions miraculaously appearing after horrid conditions? How long have you been in the UK? I remember the weather around this time, albeit in my neck of the woods, and it was indeed fucking horrific. Well, I was loving it, but it was definitely extreme weather for us.Quote:
It's not a country road 10 miles north of Salisbury that we're talking about. It's Salisbury city centre. Show some photos of how horrid it was there on March 3rd to compare to the dryish conditions that miraculously appeared on the 4th and you'll have a better case.
I'm saying that a random weather report is not gospel. This is the UK, rain appears and disappears without warning all the time. If it's cold enough, it will be sleet. This isn't remotely compelling. Faked? Probably not, it was probably just hit-and-miss weather and this report is amateur. Find me something from the Met Office, and maybe I'll listen.Quote:
What's the theory here, the weather on that website was faked. It shows no rain, sleet, or snow on the 3rd.
I'll see what I can find.Quote:
Show me pictures of these guys in Salisbury fighthing their way through snow and sleet and soaked up to their knees as they claimed if that's your story.
Well I hope evryone else in Salisbury is also a suspect then.Quote:
if someone happens to be poisoned near where they got lost, yes.
It is if you read the Guardian.Quote:
if the rest of their story is also fishy, yes.
I really don't find this easier to believe than two Russian tourists having a walk around a historical city.Quote:
Seems easier to believe than the idea they went all the way from Moscow to see S.C. and didn't have a plan for how to get there, but instead just wandered around the city hoping they would find it.
cctv footage of them on the 4th was also faked then obv., as they were walking around a dryish city on the 4th. Certainly wasn't huge drifts of snow everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
OOh I found this while digging...
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incomin...rov-bottom.jpg
Check out those time stamps.
Of course there wasn't in the city centre. We grit the fucking roads. It is very wet though, you can see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Any photos of the city on the 4th will not prove it wasn't sleeting, since the ground is wet as fuck.
And drifts on the outskirts show it is reasonable they they went back thinking there was a thaw, and realised they still couldn't get to Stonehenge because the thaw hadn't extended to the countryside around Salisbury.
Just because the police aren't retarded enough to think some little old lady that lives down the street from Skripal used a nerve agent to poison him doesn't mean they didn't consider other suspects. If you're them do you not find it a strange coincidence that two Russians came to the city the day before and then again the day of the poisoning, ended up near the victim's house, and have a fishy alibi?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
At least I have a source other than a photo from twitter of a place 10 miles N of Salisbury.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
There's only one thing to see in Salisbury and they walked in the opposite direction of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's kinda irrelevant, since what's mostly suspicious are the things I keep mentioning: the aborted visit to Salisbury on the 3rd in 'sleet' up to their knees, and the 'wrong turn' on the 4th that just happened to take them close to Skripal's.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I could also mention there's no record of them visiting S.C., but obv. you'll just come back and say the records were purged by the gov't.
You find it hard to believe they walked through two different corridors at the same time when they were travelling together?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
At least you read an article in the MSM and make a judgement on the guilt of two Russians in Salisbury, rather than dig around trying to make sense of it all.Quote:
At least I have a source other than a photo from twitter of a place 10 miles N of Salisbury.
Clearly you haven't been to Salisbury either.Quote:
There's only one thing to see in Salisbury and they walked in the opposite direction of it.
EXACTLY the same time... and I see no reason to believe it's a different corridor. There should be some kind of identification for this reason, but that is missing.Quote:
You find it hard to believe they walked through two different corridors at the same time when they were travelling together?
There are slight differences, and the angle of the camera seems slightly different, so perhaps they are different corridors. Still, outstanding choreography. Why didn't they both go down the same corridor?
I don't think there's a lot that needs investigating really. Russian spy defects, gives talks about how Russian intelligence works, gets killed by nerve agent, Russian 'tourists' happen to be seen making suspicious movements at the same time. Doesn't seem to require a lot of my energy trying to see if I can find some little detail in the story that can be construed a different way if I put a tinfoil hat on.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That said, I'm open to actual EVIDENCE that all is not what it seems. You just haven't given me any.
Actually I have, twice. And I stand by what I say.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Name another attraction that exists there.
Because in airport security you go through the corridor they tell you to go through.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Edit: to be fair, though, i don't really understand where those photos were taken. It kinda looks like the corridor you go down to get on/off the plane, but there's no other people around. Also, like you say camera angles are different so it's prolly two different corridors. Haven't been to Gatwick for a long time though so can't say for sure it's not some other part of the airport, like security or w/e.
This isn't even enough to convince the CPS that there's a reasonable chance of successful prosecution, let alone the media presenting circumstantional evidence as though it is compelling. The media coverage has guaranteed they cannot get a fair trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Ah this is the airport, not the train station. Wow, even more impressive that they managed to get caught on camera at exactly the same time. If they're being told to go down certain ones, then they surely have different distances to walk? It seems highly improbable to me that they would get snapped at precisely the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
There's a castle to the NE.Quote:
Name another attraction that exists there.
You're not open to evidence though.Quote:
I don't think there's a lot that needs investigating really. Russian spy defects, gives talks about how Russian intelligence works, gets killed by nerve agent, Russian 'tourists' happen to be seen making suspicious movements at the same time. Doesn't seem to require a lot of my energy trying to see if I can find some little detail in the story that can be construed a different way if I put a tinfoil hat on.
That said, I'm open to actual EVIDENCE that all is not what it seems. You just haven't given me any.
I'm really glad you don't work for the CPS.Quote:
I don't think there's a lot that needs investigating really.
Salisbury Museum.
Stonehenge itself counts as "something to do in Salisbury", seeing as it's not far. Maybe they went to look if there were busses running to Stonehenge.
No there's no smoking gun, and they wouldn't be convicted based on what we've been told. Doesn't mean they shouldn't get the chance to go and anwer some questions. Doubt Putin will be sending them back for that, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Of course, Salisbury is a very old town (formerly known as Sarum) and there's lots to see there, just by walking around.
No, I'm not open to irrelevant evidence like snow in Amesbury, when I'm not even concerned with why they did or didn't go to Stonehenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I also find your 'lost tourist' and 'weather too bad to walk 15 minutes' explanations unconvincing.
You might be wrong here. Putin can call our bluff. I would like to see him convince these guys to come back to the UK voluntarily to face trail, on the condition that it is a fair trial, that the Skirpals can be called as witnesses, and that the proceedings are public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I bet that won't happen.
Let me rephrase the question. What is there for tourists to do in the residential, NW part of Salisbury? Look at some British houses?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Lol no shit it won't happen. It wouldn't happen if they were innocent or guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's a good job then that we're not trying to prove their innocence. The idea is to prove their guilt.Quote:
I also find your 'lost tourist' and 'weather too bad to walk 15 minutes' explanations unconvincing.
There is nothing fishy about their movements, except for the fact someone got posioned nearby. And since the agent that poisoned the Skirpals was manufactured very close to Salisbury, well I have to say that it's the official story that appears to me as very much unconvincing.
"of a type developed by Russia"
Remember that?
They didn't say "of a type created in Porton Down".
You got that off a tourist brochure?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
There's a very nice cathedral, and some other old stuff you could see in practically any town in the UK.
Ok so you have no appreciation of history, culture and architecture. Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I'm not to prove anything in a court of law; I'm deciding what to believe. I can only believe they're innocent or they're guilty, and I'm going with the weight of probability that it's suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
What's your proof of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I've been to the cathedral twice, which is two times more than you have. So don't tell me I don't appreciate those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
And I didn't go wandering around a residential area near Skripal's house either time.
I believe it's suspicious, but it's not the Russians I'm suspicious of.Quote:
I'm not to prove anything in a court of law; I'm deciding what to believe. I can only believe they're innocent or they're guilty, and I'm going with the weight of probability that it's suspicious.
lol the word "novichok" is no longer on the Porton Down wikipedia page, and vice versa. I'll find something, bear with me.Quote:
What's your proof of this?
Attachment 1021Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Well you're the one who said there's old buildings in lots of towns. Of course there are. That is completely irrelevant. They were in Salisbury, and may well have been walking around aimelssly, having a look at old buildings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
There are lots of reasons why they were wandering about in random directions. That's what tourists do.
Ok this will do for now...
When asked if it could come from Porton Down, the response is to say "no, because security", not "no, because we don't make it".Quote:
Most telling was the Sky News interview with the head of Porton Down. Interviewer Paul Kelso repeatedly pressed Aitkenhead directly on whether the novichok could have come from Porton Down. Aitkenhead replies “There is no way, anything like that could…leave these four walls. We deal with a number of toxic substances in the work that we do, we’ve got the highest levels of security and controls”. Asked again twice, he each times says the security is so tight “the substance” could not have come from Porton Down. What Aitkenhead does NOT say is “of course it could not have come from here, we have never made it”. Indeed Aitkenhead’s repeated assertion that the security would never have let it out, is tantamount to an admission Porton Down does produce novichok.
Make of that what you will.
I know one thing... if I were a spy that had just committed a serious international crime, I wouldn't have a look in shops windows looking at coins on my way back to the station.
yeah, like Skripal's house.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
No-one goes wandering around residential streets on holiday. Look at a map of Salisbury. All Ye olde stuff is south and east of the station, not the north and west.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sa...YpfDl_aHDDIbM:
Assuming there were signs at the station saying 'this way to go to see Ye Olde shit' (which there usually are), why would they go in the opposite direction?
Where is the photo of them doing this?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
There are no photos that place them in a residential estate, only near one. On an A-road.Quote:
No-one goes wandering around residential streets on holiday. Look at a map of Salisbury. All Ye olde stuff is south and east of the station, not the north and west.
https://e3.365dm.com/18/09/750x563/s...20180907151330
https://news.sky.com/story/salisbury...ttack-11491730
That's not even suspicious, never mind proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
What I make of it is, 'yes we make nasty shit there, but we don't talk about what we do with it 'cause you know, it's a secret, so please politely fuck off'Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
What you make of it is, 'we use it to poison former Russian agents and our own citizens, and here's a cryptic clue you can latch onto 'cause i really want the more paranoid members of the public to dig harder and find out the truth'
It's as if you're only reading what you can be arsed to.Quote:
Assuming there weren't signs at the station saying 'this way to go to see Ye Olde shit' (which there usually are), why would they go in the opposite direction?
I did actually give a possible reason for this, based on a quick glance of google maps. Go read.
When this first hit the news, there was more than just a few comments from Porton Down to suggest they made the stuff, but I can't find it now.Quote:
What I make of it is, 'yes we make nasty shit there, but we don't talk about what we do with it 'cause you know, it's a secret, so please politely fuck off'
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
https://e3.365dm.com/18/09/750x563/s...20180907151330
https://news.sky.com/story/salisbury...ttack-11491730[/QUOTE]
Maybe they saw the camera inside and thought, let's stop here for a few seconds to give the impression we're really tourists and not contract killers for GRU.
Fuck me.
Maybe they saw the camera inside? Are they walking sideways? Can you fuck me sideways please?
They would want out of the UK asap, because once they are back home in Russia, they are safe. That would be all they gave a fuck about, not whether or not they look fishy in retrospect.
You can make up any excuse you want for why they were near Skripal's house. It doesn't make it any less suspicious that they went in the direction opposite to the one that was their stated purpose for being there, AND that it just happened to take them near Skripal's house who was poisoned that same day.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You think walking around aimlessly is fishy, but looking in a shop window casually after committing a serious crime is standard.
Dear me.
By near, you mean 500 meters. They haven't been placed closer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
They can't make the train run any faster or leave the station sooner though can they? What's the point of rushing back to the station?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Also, why would they be afraid of being caught? They've got their awesome alibi (according to you) and they don't have any nerve agent on them anymore, so what's the evidence they would be held on?
You know those CCTV images aren't being processed in real time, right? The police aren't all like 'oh this guy's been poisoned. pull up the CCTV cameras right now and see if there's any Russians walking around with those big furry hats.'
The point is, it's in the wrong direction. But fine, ignore that point again and again. All tourists love walking aimlessly around A roads near residential areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You say that like it's proof of their guilt. Walking around aimlessly is EXACTLY what lots of tourists do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Ok fair enough, this I can't refute. If they are indeed guilty, maybe they're just not in a hurry because they know they half half an hour to kill. Fine.Quote:
They can't make the train run any faster or leave the station sooner though can they? What's the point of rushing back to the station?
It's in the wrong direction? So you didn't read my post about how they can come out of the station on the south, turn right, and end up looping back into Salisbury from the NW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I mean you seem to think because Putin didn't send a helicopter to take them straight from Skripal's front door back to Moscow is somehow evidence of their innocence.
And that since the UK produces deadly nerve agents (like every other country does), it uses them to kill former Russian spies who've defected to the UK, putting their own citizens at risk, just so they can blame the resulting drop in tourism in Salisbury on Putin.
To what end? Oh I know, so they can build a new submarine that they were going to build anyway.
And now that you've got it in your head the UK will happily endanger and panic its own citizens in some sleepy tourist town just to make Putin look bad (because his public image was so good up till then), everything else is just part of the cover up.
And yet more evidence of this cover up is that the UK's own guy doesn't seem to want to talk about their secret nerve agents with the press.
The evidence of their inocence for me is the complete lack of evidence that is being presented as evidence form the British authorities and the MSM.Quote:
I mean you seem to think because Putin didn't send a helicopter to take them straight from Skripal's front door back to Moscow is somehow evidence of their innocence.
lol nice, we did this just to blame Putin for a drop in tourism. That's geopolitics in a nutshell.Quote:
And that since the UK produces deadly nerve agents (like every other country does), it uses them to kill former Russian spies who've defected to the UK, putting their own citizens at risk, just so they can blame the resulting drop in tourism in Salisbury on Putin.
Ah so you are actually aware of what this really is all about.Quote:
To what end? Oh I know, so they can build a new submarine that they were going to build anyway.
You have way too much trust in government.Quote:
And now that you've got it in your head the UK will happily endanger and panic its own citizens in some sleepy tourist town just to make Putin look bad (because his public image was so good up till then), everything else is just part of the cover up.
I read it, I just didn't find it convincing. Of course you can find a way back from the NW to the station. So what? You can find a way from any direction you go in back to the station.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
There's a lot of circumstantial evidence. Their story is fishy and full of holes. They're spotted near Skripal's house.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I know what YOU think it's all about, yes. And I contend we were never NOT going to build that submarine or spend too much on defense. This 'false flag' story wasn't necessary or even beneficial. Is there evidence the submarine building programme was in trouble before, but now it's got the green light because of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Not really, but I trust them more than I trust Putin. They don't try to bump off political rivals, or bump off anyone in the press or public eye who opposes them.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Well simply by looking at google maps, I could see how I could quickly find myself going in the "wrong direction", ending up on the A-road. It's not remotely fishy.
You keep saying this like it means something. They have not been placed closer than 500 meters. If they are seen actually on the housing estate, well then I would agree it beomces fishy. But being on an A-road in what is a small city half a kilometer from someone's house, that isn't fishy, not unless you're reading biased MSM articles that are written for the very purpose of making people think they are guilty.Quote:
There's a lot of circumstantial evidence. Their story is fishy and full of holes. They're spotted near Skripal's house.
Are there CCTV cameras by Skripal's house that DIDN'T see them? 'cause that would be exonerating evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The lack of footage of them closer to Skripal's is understandable if there weren't any cameras there because it's a residential area. If the camera footage shows them as close to his house as you can be while still being on public CCTV, that's suspicious.
That's my problem with this... everything I've read from the MSM or the British Government is written in such a way to present these guys as guilty.
That tells me they're not.
Because it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
They had no reason to be there, unless they were the dumbest tourists around who went halfway around the world to see something, got to a station within a mile or two of it, and then either didn't use a map or couldn't read a map. So instead they went wandering up a road that just by coincidence took them near Skripal's house.
I doubt footage will be released that proves their innocence, if it even exists. I'm unaware of any witnesses who claim to have seen them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Further, the Skirpals' movements were caught on camera, they left Salisbury at 9.15am and returned at 1.15pm. The precise nature of their movements being caught, I'm not so sure, but if it's outside their house, well the lack of evidence proving the Russians were there is very much telling.
Couldn't read a map? I have got lost in places I don't know countless times, simply by going left out of a station instead of right. It doesn't take me long to rectify myself,, naturally. I'm not dumb. But I can find myself going in the wrong direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
They had every reason to be there. They were visiting Salisbury.
It shouldn't tell you anything one way or the other. That's your problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You already had it in your head the UK gov't did this as a false flag thing. So it's not surprising you're now looking for any holes in the story you can find, or any reason to distrust the gov't or MSM version of things.
What you should be doing is looking at the evidence and asking yourself why these two guys were where they were when they were there. If you think it's plausible they just got lost or were wandering around being tourists, then fine. But I personally find that story unconvincing.
You do realise we're doing exactly the same thing? You decided they're guilty, so you're looking for holes in their story.Quote:
You already had it in your head the UK gov't did this as a false flag thing. So it's not surprising you're now looking for any holes in the story you can find, or any reason to distrust the gov't or MSM version of things.
The difference for me is, there's more holes in our story than theirs.
So the map tells you to go left and you go right? Sorry, but most poeple can tell their left from their right.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Also, were there no signs at the station saying 'this way to Ye Olde Shit'? 'Cause I'd be surprised if that were true.
I haven't decided anything. I'm simply presenting reasons why the Russian guys' activities were suspicious to me. You're the one trying to answer all these suspicions with whatever pops into your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I think there are missing parts to our story, where evidence is lacking. There's no evidence they had the poison on them or applied it to the door of Skripal's house. So it's hardly case closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
But the lack of some key evidence is not evidence the rest of the story is a fabrication. And the inconsistencies in the Russian guys' story are quite suspicious.
The thing with train stations is, maps don't tell you which platform you get off at. You could be on the north or the south, and you follow the signs that say "way out". So you either get dumped on the A36 on the North, and turn right to head in the "right direction", or you come out on the south side and turn left. I have no idea which side they came out of. If it's the south, it's really easy to fuck that up. Probably harder from the north.
The way the Govt and the Media have dealt with this is evendience of fabrication, at least for me.Quote:
I think there are missing parts to our story, where evidence is lacking. There's no evidence they had the poison on them or applied it to the door of Skripal's house. So it's hardly case closed.
But the lack of some key evidence is not evidence the rest of the story is a fabrication. And the inconsistencies in the Russian guys' story are quite suspicious.
I do think Putin could be in on it too, though. I mean it suits him just fine for us to be the enemy, it makes him popular and helps him justify his hugemilitary budgets.
But what we say happened, that's highly unlikely for me.
I'm not saying it's impossible to get lost. I'm saying it's funny they got lost in a way that took them in a direction towards the scene of the crime.
go on...Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's impossible for these guys to get a fair trial. If they were genuine suspects, there is no way we'd release the information we have, because we wouldn't want to risk them getting away with it on technicalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Do we know if they were even walking in the direction of the Skirpals'? I don't. They could come out of the station, turn right, then turn right again, then they hit the A36... from there, left to the Skirpals', right to town. Maybe they went right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I don't know. I bet you don't either.
Why is the proximity to the factory where the nerve agent was allegedly produced of any importance? If someone gets shot with german made bullets, do you think it's more likely the killer was german? Would it be even more likely if the bullet factory was really close? How does that make any sense?
How do you think that plays out? You can send a package from anywhere in the world to basically anywhere within 24 hours, but you think the people who buy nerve agent for political assassinations shop local? To what end? Support local business? And then make sure that the factory is nearby so... so what? So you can bicycle over to the factory, get yer nerve agent, politically assassinate someone and be back home in time for tea? Explain yourself!
cmon dude, you can hide bullets up your arse and take them wherever you like.Quote:
Why is the proximity to the factory where the nerve agent was allegedly produced of any importance? If someone gets shot with german made bullets, do you think it's more likely the killer was german?
I don't see that. The judge looks at what is presented to him in court, he doesn't make up his mind by reading a newspaper. And we don't have jury trials here do we? So no need to worry about what Joe Public is being told in that sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
What technicality is that? There's no law saying evidence leaked to media is therefore invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The fact there was an alleged poisoning from a nerve agent is rare enough. If it was the Russians, it's the first time they've used a nerve agent on UK soil.
That it happened a few miles from our primary military-grade chemical weapons lab, I mean really. How many labs like this do you think we have?
But you can't hide a nerve agent? Why is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
um yes we have jury trials here, and that's precisely what they should get.Quote:
I don't see that. The judge looks at what is presented to him in court, he doesn't make up his mind by reading a newspaper. And we don't have jury trials here do we? So no need to worry about what Joe Public is being told in that sense.
Members of the jury being aware of the case.Quote:
What technicality is that? There's no law saying evidence leaked to media is therefore invalid.
Because it's fucking dangerous. Would you put Novichok up your arse? No amount of money would do it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I find this proximity argument pretty lame too. Unless you can show the nerve agent degrades with kilometers from where it's produced, it seems completely irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You don't carry it on an international flight unless it's very well-disguised, not shoved up your ass ('cause that's not suspicious at all having a vial up your ass).Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Do you think they somehow coerced the targets into getting really close to the nerve agent factory so the nerve agent man didn't have to walk too far to deliver the nerve agent?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Or was it coincidental like: oh, they're close to the nerve agent factory, let's kill 'em with that then! Their original plan was the piano factory, but then the targets got lost and there was a change of plans?
Come on Oskar, use your head. The nearest piano factory is in Edinburgh. Also the main bullet factory is in Manchester so they couldn't use a gun ldo.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
There is, however, a bus factory in Salisbury which is even closer than the secret nerve agent place. I'm a bit surprised they didn't run him over with a bus frankly. But I guess there was too much sleet, so they went to Plan B.
I can't actually believe you guys think moving a highly toxic nerve agent around is the same as carrying bullets.
The further you travel with nerve agents, the greater the risk of an accident. At the very least, if it was the British who did this, we seem to have at least taken some measures to minimise the risks.
The idea they would just dump the agent without a care is also ridiculous. If this was a Kremlin hit on a Russian enemy, then you would imagine there would be strict orders from the top to not be fucking sloppy. Do you seriously think Putin would accept the risk of a nerve agent killing lots of British people on British soil? That would be very serious indeed, and not in Russia's best interests.
So no, they would not dump a perfume bottle in a bin. They would have a better plan.
It's interesting these guys aren't ill. They would surely have got noticed wearing hamzat suits outside the Skirpal's house. Funny no one saw that.
Back to the pics of them gawping at coins after they did the deed... they don't seem particularly concerned that they might have come into contact with a highly toxic nerve agent.
So if they aren't concerned about their own health, my guess is they were protected. Either that or they were completely unaware of the shitstorm that was brewing.
Such as? Take it back to Russia with them through the airport?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Ikr. And these girls didn't get sick either. It's crazy that when you spray a nerve agent on something or someone else it doesn't kill you just for holding the bottle it was in. It's almost as if the bottle somehow protects you from what's inside of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPAbArF5Akk
For a start, these are different nerve agents. Secondly, I'll bet these bitches were shitting themselves. I haven't seen images of them chilling out shortly afterwards.Quote:
Ikr. And these girls didn't get sick either. It's crazy that when you spray a nerve agent on something or someone else it doesn't kill you just for holding the bottle it was in. It's almost as if the bottle somehow protects you from what's inside of it.
Nope, that's obviously also a bad plan. Maybe they could destroy it. I've no idea what happens when you mix Novichock with concentrated sulphuric acid, but I'll bet the Russians know. I don't know how to make Novichok safe, but dumping it isn't something I would be thinking about, not if I gave a shit about the potential consequences.Quote:
Such as? Take it back to Russia with them through the airport?
It's not like 'ooh some of that deadly nerve agent might have got on me, i'd better go wash my hands.' it's like 'good job i didn't get any on me, or i'd be in my death throes right now. Ok, let's go pretend to be tourists while we wait for the train.'Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga