Ferguson Idiots OMFG

Okay let's just loot peoples shit and burn down buildings and act like a bunch of fucking dumb dipshit motherfuckers and reinforce every stereotype fucking ever. MLK would be proud as fuck. Great peaceful protests you stupid [white, black, Asian, native American, Mexican, European, Australian] fucks. Oh no! Tear gas! Jesus fucking Christ I wonder why?

"Is this it? Is this what I took all of those ass-whoopins for?" -MLK

Alright so this dude who got shot jumped a cop, and if he got shot during that struggle, then it sucks and I'm sorry for his family but he got what he got. If the cop fought him off and then shot him for no fucking reason once there was some reasonable distance between the two, then that was fucked up and shouldn't have happened.

Another possibility is that he fought the man off with some distance between them, and then the man came at him again and got shot. In that situation it probably comes down to the specific language of the law in Missouri which I'm not familiar with, though I do know that they have been working on making changes to laws on self-defense in that state earlier this year.

Now everybody's on this bullshit saying that there's something wrong with the fact that the vast majority of the 50-55 cops in the area were white while about 2/3 of the population of the area was black. Two things: First, the population has only become mostly black in relatively recent years, so there hasn't likely been time for the makeup of the local government and civil servants to catch up in terms of people who live there getting into those positions. Second, how do they know enough black people even fucking applied to be cops to give it any kind of balance?

Hey I've got a bright fucking idea. How about everybody of every fucking race stop goddamn jumping people? If a cop thinks you might have just robbed some people because he was responding to a call about some people who just got fucking robbed in the area, and he's stopping to see if you know anything, then the last thing you need to do is jump on his ass. Know what kind of message that sends? OH SHIT I'M CAUGHT, I BETTER ACT LIKE A FUCKING IDIOT AND HOPE I DON'T GET SHOT.

And guess what? HE WAS CAUGHT. THEY HAVE HIS ASS ON TAPE 15 MINUTES EARLIER STEALING A BOX OF SWISHER SWEETS (jesus christ) AND ATTACKING A STORE CLERK WHO CONFRONTED HIS BIG ASS.

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And you know what, even with that, there are plenty of scenarios where the cop shouldn't have just shot this fucking guy, so don't get it fucking twisted. But there are also plenty of scenarios where it was justified INCLUDING THIS BIG MOTHERFUCKER JUMPING A GODDAMN OUTNUMBERED COP AND TRYING TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HIM. We don't know all of what happened just yet, so we can't really make a decision.

But what we do know is that dumb motherfuckers getting pissed off and burning buildings down and throwing fucking molotov cocktails at cops aren't helping the goddamn situation. When they calmed that shit the fuck down, the cops stopped whooping peoples asses. There is a fucking pattern here.

Fucking idiots.

I heard Anon was on about this too threatening action against the police. Has their stance changed? What are they going to threaten to stop the store looting and rioting now?

Let me say first that I'm obviously not going to get into a trolling war with Spoon. Suffice it to say that the situation is a lot more nuanced than what is being suggested here.

First, there was looting that went on several days ago. Days later, police essentially declared martial law and tear gassed/shot rubber bullets at people who were peacefully assembled, and arrested media members for sitting in McDonald's. Neither of those two sentences justifies the other.

Second, the police have admitted that the cop who shot Brown did not know he was a robbery suspect when he shot him.

I'm out.

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Second, the police have admitted that the cop who shot Brown did not know he was a robbery suspect when he shot him.

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Shoot random black guy. Roll dice he's suspected of a crime. Lucky sevens, baby!

the militarization of the police scares me but i suppose thats a different topic for another day.

Bigger guns for the same old dimwits. We can take 'em.

Another point about the looting, the whole town wasn't looting. There were people looting and they're the kind of people that don't give a shit about anything, they just see a chance to get some free stuff and feel they won't be caught. It's not like the majority of the people involved in the protests are doing the protest thing then go loot a store on the way home.

There's a certain percentage of a population that will do shitty shit in any area no matter what the circumstances. If someone claimed they were so mad about the shooting they were looting local businesses in protest that's bullshit, they would have been looting at any opportunity and that is the backlogic they use to justify their actions.

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Let me say first that I'm obviously not going to get into a trolling war with Spoon. Suffice it to say that the situation is a lot more nuanced than what is being suggested here.

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Let me say first that I'm obviously not going to get into a trolling war with Spoon.
I'm obviously not going to get into a trolling war with Spoon.
I'm obviously not going to get into a trolling war
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First, there was looting that went on several days ago. Days later, police essentially declared martial law and tear gassed/shot rubber bullets at people who were peacefully assembled, and arrested media members for sitting in McDonald's. Neither of those two sentences justifies the other.

Second, the police have admitted that the cop who shot Brown did not know he was a robbery suspect when he shot him.

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I guess you shouldn't try to prevent looting after a bunch of assholes have already shown that they will steal peoples shit. I thought the point of the police was to keep crime from happening, not to hold their hands up in the air after a bunch of idiots have burned your shit down and go OH GEE WHIZ WE HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

@bold, Yeah no shit. Do you know why? Because he didn't have time to fucking ask the guy before he was being beaten the fuck down by a maniac who he had to shoot at (inside of the car) to defend himself.

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But what we do know is that dumb motherfuckers getting pissed off and burning buildings down and throwing fucking molotov cocktails at cops aren't helping the goddamn situation. When they calmed that shit the fuck down, the cops stopped whooping peoples asses. There is a fucking pattern here.

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I haven't been following this super closely but aren't the cops currently being accused of handling this whole situation horribly and instigating way more than needed to be? I don't know if these stories are bullshit or not but there's a lot of stories of the cops just getting out of hand like with reporters and firing tear gas/rubber bullets at peaceful protestors. Not saying that justifies people going to extremes against the cops but both sides need to play it smarter. A crowd that has gathered because they believe a cop has killed a member of their community in cold blood, whether that's what actually happened or not, are not going to be acting rationally. So don't use tactics that will escalate the situation.

It was also my understanding things calmed down once the local PD were relieved of duty and better trained state police were brought in and handled the situation completely different. Or maybe the angrier protestors were just losing their steam. It'd be interesting if someone following this closely had any actual sourced counter-points to spoon's rant.

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I haven't been following this super closely but aren't the cops currently being accused of handling this whole situation horribly and instigating way more than needed to be? I don't know if these stories are bullshit or not but there's a lot of stories of the cops just getting out of hand like with reporters and firing tear gas/rubber bullets at peaceful protestors.

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This type of thing makes good headlines, gets pageviews and makes money. It's really disgusting to me that the mass media distorts what's really going on just to monetize the possibly unnecessary death of an 18-year-old.

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This type of thing makes good headlines, gets pageviews and makes money. It's really disgusting to me that the mass media distorts what's really going on just to monetize the possibly unnecessary death of an 18-year-old.

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True and that's why I don't want to come in here claiming those stories prove anything. The stories I was thinking of are the news crew being gassed, the reporters being arrested in McDick's for no given reason, and the preacher lady being shot with a rubber bullet while praying. While those are made of obvious attention grabbing content does anyone know if those ones have been shown to be misleading or are those things that actually happened as they appear to have happened?

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True and that's why I don't want to come in here claiming those stories prove anything. The stories I was thinking of are the news crew being gassed, the reporters being arrested in McDick's for no given reason, and the preacher lady being shot with a rubber bullet while praying. While those are made of obvious attention grabbing content does anyone know if those ones have been shown to be misleading or are those things that actually happened as they appear to have happened?

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From what I have read (which is entirely too much, thanks procrastination):

On the McDonald's thing, the reporters were told to leave because the McDonald's was being closed. They refused and were arrested, and then they resisted arrest to make a scene since that's their job. They were let go within 24 hours which is the normal thing to do in a lot of places instead of charging them with anything that would make their lives more difficult (which the police could have very easily done).

The preacher lady being shot with a rubber bullet sounds like a cop points a gun at her and is like bang and shoots her, but they are shot at the ground to primarily strike the legs etc., and are nowhere near lethal (or even something that will cause any type of real injury). They were told to GTFO, they didn't GTFO, so they were made to GTFO. While I don't necessarily agree with handling it that way, that's what you get when you have police departments in the United States who intentionally turn away applicants for having an IQ that's too high.

For people who don't know, idiots burned this story down.

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

They were let go within 24 hours which is the normal thing to do in a lot of places instead of charging them with anything that would make their lives more difficult (which the police could have very easily done).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGVIwRLC3bQ

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

For people who don't know, idiots burned this story down.

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Actually to make it even more fucked up, they actually burned down the wrong fucking store apparently.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGVIwRLC3bQ

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Nailed it.

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Actually to make it even more fucked up, they actually burned down the wrong fucking store apparently.

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the civil force of a national or local government, responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order.
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po·lice
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the civil force of a national or local government, responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order.
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mob
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a large crowd of people, especially one that is disorderly and intent on causing trouble or violence.

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Does it count as preventing crime with that cop shooting that guy?

ha

Michael Brown was unarmed. His autopsy shows he was shot six times.

This is a sad story.

LOL PEACEFUL PROTESTS LOL

So they brought in the State Troopers and Capt. Johnson aka a black guy to head the thing up to put on a great public face, and they were all about sunshine and rainbows and not needing a physical response and all of that shit. It all sounds great on paper until people start trying to fucking kill you.

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On Sunday evening, crowds gathered again. Capt. Ronald Johnson of the Missouri Highway Patrol said the evening began with peaceful protests that “took a very different turn after dark” as police deployed tear gas when protesters threw molotov cocktails and gunshots were fired at officers. Two people were injured in shootings, he said, but no officers were hurt. He said seven or eight people were arrested.

In a news conference about 1:20 a.m., Johnson said unrest began at 8:25 p.m. when police responded to reports of gunshots near Canfield, the street where Brown was killed. At 8:56 p.m., hundreds of protesters marched toward a police staging command post in a parking lot near a Target.

“There were multiple additional reports of molotov cocktails being thrown, police were shot at, makeshift barricades were set up to block police, bottles and rockets were thrown at police,” Johnson said. “Based on these conditions, I had no alternative but to elevate the level of our response.”

Johnson responded to critics of the curfew, saying: “This incident began at 8:30, three-and-a-half hours before the curfew.”

An hour after curfew, the streets were quieting down. But in an announcement issued early Monday, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon (D) ordered the National Guard to Ferguson to help restore “peace and order to this community.”

In Ferguson, peace and order have been in short supply.

Earlier Sunday evening, police said protesters fired at least 30 gunshots and threw molotov cocktails at officers. Police blocked off Ferguson’s main avenue, and hundreds of officers in riot gear advanced on the crowd and began firing tear gas. Some of the demonstrators, covering their faces with scarves and napkins, tossed the tear gas canisters back at police, who included officers from the city of St. Louis, the county and the State Highway Patrol. Protesters began looting Papa John’s and Imo’s pizzerias.

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I have a great idea. Let's act like a bunch of fucking idiots. That'll show em!

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“Half of these protesters are not even from this area,” she said. “We don’t have too many stores to go to anymore because they burned it all up. My 20-year-old son ran all the way home from work. He was terrified. It’s not a race issue at this point. People just want to vent and loot.”

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From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...0ce_story.html

If that were my friend / brother / neighbour I'd want to burn the fucking police station down. People who are looting are fucking idiots taking advantage of legitimate civil unrest. Those who are protesting reasonably, fair enough. I would consider setting fire to police cars as reasonable in this case. idk what the fuck is going on in America these days, but when a gun happy cop unloads six bullets in an unarmed black kid, there's gonna be trouble. I'm not sure why spoon has more hatred in him for angry black people than he does white trash cops who seem intent on stirring up racial tensions. The reaction of the residents is entirely natural. What does spoon expect from the community? Politely wave around placards while smiling at coppers asking them if they're having a nice day at work?

lol British Internet badass over here going to start the revolution

I ain't starting your fucking revolution. We need our own, I'm needed here.

Same shit happened here couple of years back. Black kid gets shot dead by cops, protests turn into riots, and the twats crawl from under their rocks to steal themselves some new trainers from footlocker. Those who were protesting in Tottenham, the majority of those people had legitimate reason to protest. Those in Birmingham stealing cars and driving into groups of people like it's grand theft fucking auto, they need bullets in their heads.

Spoon seems to think it's ok for a cop to shoot some unarmed black kid six times, twice in the head, in self defence. I'm not sure what the fuck is going on in spoon's head. If this kid took one bullet and died, well there's room to accept the cop felt he had little choice, I can accept that sort of thing will happen. But six bullets suggests the cop had no control over the situation, no control over his emotions, and no control over his actions. A fucking liability, as proven.

What happens next, I don't know why it surprises spoon. What do you suggest people should do? I'm not talking about the twats, they should remain under their rocks. I'm talking about the locals, the friends and family. They are angry, rightfully so, and have very little method of expressing their anger. The reaction does not surprise me in the least.

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Spoon seems to think it's ok for a cop to shoot some unarmed black kid six times, twice in the head, in self defence. I'm not sure what the fuck is going on in spoon's head.

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I've said more than once that this is not something I think is okay, and since you are not capable of reading something before you argue against it, your opinion no longer matters on anything ever.

Your opinion of my opinion doesn't matter either. And my opinion never mattered to you anyway. And I still wouldn't care if it did.

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I've said more than once that this is not something I think is okay, and since you are not capable of reading something before you argue against it, your opinion no longer matters on anything ever.

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:smugface: "Check."

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Your opinion of my opinion doesn't matter either. And my opinion never mattered to you anyway. And I still wouldn't care if it did.

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:notonmylevelface: "Checkmate."

What's this got to do with Chris Ferguson?

Doh, it's spoonit in the community,
suckered me in to another thread because I only read one word from the title.

I'm sure I've beaten spoon at chess, come to think of it.

spoon has a dirty mouth i like that lol

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spoon has a dirty mouth i like that lol

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Yeah so does your dad.

[not trolling]

According to multiple, unrelated eye witnesses other evidence related to the gunshot wounds, here is the current timeline:

1. The 6'4" and 300 lbs. Michael Brown commits a robbery (and yes it was a clear robbery by definition). The store owner calls it in.
2. Not very long afterwards (maybe 15 minutes), Officer Wilson stops to tell Brown and another male to stop standing in the street. Note that Officer Wilson had not known about the robbery at this point, so profiling for that is out of the question.
3. Brown (probably believing that the cop was coming after him for the robbery) attacks the cop inside of the cop car. Officer Wilson is almost beaten unconscious, and Brown beat him to the point of breaking bones in his face. A shot is fired inside of the car during the struggle. The other male that was with Brown runs away.
4. At some point a few moments later, there is some separation created by the officer, and Brown begins to run away.
5. Officer Wilson [correctly] pursues Brown. Brown turns around and taunts the officer before charging straight towards him. While Brown is running towards him, the officer [correctly] shoots him until he stops charging.
6. At least one eye witness thought that Officer Wilson had missed Brown with his shots because Brown continued charging after the first shots were fired.

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Been following this story more now since this thread started. Point 3 hasn't been proven yet as to whether or not he actually injured the officer. I'm sure photos will come out but right now you're just quoting an anonymous source that a Fox News site used.

It definitely sounds like he was charging the officer though based on the overheard discussions on that video taken at the crime scene shortly after the incident.

From the Washington Post:

"The signs of easing tensions came as a family friend of the officer who fatally shot Brown came forward to allege new details of the incident, saying that the officer suffered a fracture to his eye socket in a scuffle with the unarmed teenager before opening fire.

Hospital X-rays of the injury have been submitted to the St. Louis County prosecuting attorney and will be shared with a grand jury now weighing evidence to determine whether Officer Darren Wilson should be charged in the shooting. The friend, who has been in contact with family members, asked not to be named because of fear of threats."

We'll see what happens I guess.

He probably had his friend beat the shit out of him like Barry Pepper in 25th Hour.

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He probably had his friend beat the shit out of him like Barry Pepper in 25th Hour.

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This is my first thought-- and I'm fine accepting that it is a consequence of my bias, are those who believe the story being put forth by the police willing to admit the same?

Can we also note that this doesn't really have to do with Michael Brown and this particular incident? The same was true for Rodney King. You can assassinate the character of the victim (King clearly was one, and Brown at the very least was the victim of fatal gunshot wounds, if not the overall victim) but the reason shit goes haywire is because similar incidents happen over and over and the police at most get a slap on the wrist. Saying that every black man beaten or shot by the police "had it coming" is like saying every deathrow inmate executed in Texas was 100% guilty, despite many people being exonerated with the advent of DNA testing. People are not mad about Michael Brown, they are mad about a society that allows police officers beat and murder minorities with impunity.

And if you buy into absolutely none of that, you should be enraged that there were armor clad police with high powered weaponry trained on crowds of people. Some of the people in the crowd may have been there to cause trouble and may have been causing it, but the answer is never to open fire on a crowd, and if you're not going to do that, you shouldn't be bluffing. If you feel you can't carry out your duties as a police office in the toughest of times, without hand-me-downs from the military, then tough shit, you're in the wrong line of work.

who fuking cares. only a few people now exactly what happend so all the other opinons dont mean shit. theres a reason that cops are issued less lethal weapons for when an unarmed man attacks somebody. ps. cops suck ass, so do bully thugs.

Step 1: Attack a cop and try to take his gun from him.
Step 2: Attack the cop again moments later.
Step 3: You're in a box.

While we're on the subject, here's one that happened a few days later:

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/262498...ged-at-officer

Do you know why there hasn't been any looting or people burning down random buildings and acting like total fucking idiots? It only takes one guess.

Face it, the US is a Police State, and only the people can change that :)

I've read a lot of good stuff to help put perspective on the police situation in America. They're over-equipped and feel like soldiers but so poorly trained for the role, they're openly mocked. America itself has an ethos that naturally drives cops to be overly cautious. A german officer pointed out that sentencing is very light over there. Get caught with drugs, 2-3 years, kill a cop, 15 minimum. In america, you get pulled over for a busted tail light with 2 keys of coke, the calculus is a bit different. A police officer is also acutely aware of every past incident where another officer, a brother of the law, was gunned down. With so many visceral examples in the front of your mind, you'd be primed for conflict, too.

Also, their punishment isn't a slap on the wrist, it just always seems that way because of how the headlines read suspended with pay. They're basically under house arrest and additional stress as the investigators can call him in at any time for questioning. There punishment is usually handed down much later than the story warrants, and no one hears about the follow-up a year later.

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While we're on the subject, here's one that happened a few days later:

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/262498...ged-at-officer

Do you know why there hasn't been any looting or people burning down random buildings and acting like total fucking idiots? It only takes one guess.

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This is quite possibly the best image answer to anything ever in the history of the Internet.

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Poor guy

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Poor guy

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Excellent analysis.

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Darren Wilson, the Ferguson police officer who fatally shot 18-year-old Michael Brown in August, will not be indicted on any charges, a St. Louis County grand jury decided Monday.

The grand jury had the option to indict Wilson on a variety of charges, ranging from first-degree murder to involuntary manslaughter. The grand jury, which was made up of 12 jurors who were selected in May, deliberated from Aug. 20 through Nov. 24. In the end, they found that the evidence did not support an indictment for Wilson.

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http://mashable.com/2014/11/24/darre...rown-ferguson/

...and another one

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30172433

I know spoon will use this to support his extreme view but this is too funny/sad/tragic/ironic not to share. Some protestor is streaming the action then gets his phone ripped right of his hand and stolen by a fellow "protestor" - http://youtu.be/UWpnRAMpQ40?t=1m

yeah, I have nothing to say about this other than the fact that I'm at work right now and my position changed in the past couple years and I'm grateful. before I would have had to be dealing with this shit and now I can ignore; my life is better off IMO.

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I know spoon will use this to support his extreme view but this is too funny/sad/tragic/ironic not to share. Some protestor is streaming the action then gets his phone ripped right of his hand and stolen by a fellow "protestor" - http://youtu.be/UWpnRAMpQ40?t=1m

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Looks like some noob got caught slipping.

Uncle Ted nails another one:

"Don’t preach your racist bullshit 'no justice no peace' as blabbered by Obama's racist Czar Al Not So Sharpton & their black klansmen. When a cop tells you to get out of the middle of the street, obey him and don’t attack him as brainwashed by the gangsta assholes you hang with & look up to.

And don’t claim that 'black lives matter' when you ignore the millions you abort & slaughter each & every day by other blacks. Those of us with a soul do indeed believe black lives matter, as all lives matter. So quit killin each other you fuckin idiots."

A good one from the comments:

5000 sounds like a big number...until you start breaking it down. It's been 13 YEARS since 9-11. So, we're actually talking about an average of 385 people per year, in a nation of over 300,000,000. So, cops are killing 0.000001283% of the population every year? Wow, that's really scary. Dipshit.

So the physical evidence completely corroborated Wilson's account and unlike what everyone's been saying, he did know Brown was a robber in fact he was specifically sent out to apprehend him.

No surprise btw, the national guard had been called days prior, everyone knew Wilson hadn't done anything wrong and wasn't going to get indicted. The biggest tragedy i see here how the media keeps framing everything to incite racial tensions.

I'm getting more and more convinced that the only way to break this cycle of racial tensions is to call for public opinion to stop framing blacks as helpless victims, it just polarizes everyone. Defining black culture as gangster culture creates the dissent or divide that we are still seeing today. It's 2014, if anything else was going to solve these issues, it would have happened already. Jews and asians coming to the US as immigrants with nothing but the clothes on their back took less than a generation to get to a similar economic level as whites. This strongly contradicts the common notion that it's just because black people are poor or that they're being held back.

Btw if anyone still thinks the police or prosecutor are in the wrong here, what are the arguments? I don't see it anymore.

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So the physical evidence completely corroborated Wilson's account and unlike what everyone's been saying, he did know Brown was a robber in fact he was specifically sent out to apprehend him.

No surprise btw, the national guard had been called days prior, everyone knew Wilson hadn't done anything wrong and wasn't going to get indicted. The biggest tragedy i see here how the media keeps framing everything to incite racial tensions.

I'm getting more and more convinced that the only way to break this cycle of racial tensions is to call for public opinion to stop framing blacks as helpless victims, it just polarizes everyone. Defining black culture as gangster culture creates the dissent or divide that we are still seeing today. It's 2014, if anything else was going to solve these issues, it would have happened already. Jews and asians coming to the US as immigrants with nothing but the clothes on their back took less than a generation to get to a similar economic level as whites. This strongly contradicts the common notion that it's just because black people are poor or that they're being held back.

Btw if anyone still thinks the police or prosecutor are in the wrong here, what are the arguments? I don't see it anymore.

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On the bold, it's worth pointing out that he didn't know that Brown was the person who had robbed the store until after the altercation had already started. Wilson wasn't even going to respond to the robbery call and was on the way to a call about a sick baby. It was while he was heading to that call that he came across Brown and his associate walking in the road which started the whole ordeal.

Let me preface by saying I have not investigated this case. I have only seen headlines

How the FUCK (the FUCKING FUCK) does anybody think defending criminals is a good idea? Trayvon's punk ass beats the piss out of a loser incompetent racist and Trayvon's a hero. Whatever-the-fuck-his-name-is-in-this-case is caught on camera robbing some shit and I'm sure Al Sharpton blows cum across the screen.

It isn't just that blacks are the worst enemy of blacks, but that liberals are the worst enemies of liberals. The same people who cry racism adore the institution that perpetuates racism

Regardless, we need to return to an era where every solution to a problem is a backhand with trailing words of "stop blaming other people for your fucking decisions"

If anything this makes cops look good. I fucking hate cops looking good. Oh the irony of those who are hurt most by cops also being those who most support the power of cops

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On the bold, it's worth pointing out that he didn't know that Brown was the person who had robbed the store until after the altercation had already started. Wilson wasn't even going to respond to the robbery call and was on the way to a call about a sick baby. It was while he was heading to that call that he came across Brown and his associate walking in the road which started the whole ordeal.

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According to the statement by the procecutor yesterday Wilson dealt with the baby call quickly and went specifically for Brown, recognizing him by the description he was given about his large build, shirt, socks and the stolen cigarillo's in his hand.

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Oh the irony of those who are hurt most by cops also being those who most support the power of cops

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I don't think that's the case.. at all.. How do you figure?

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I don't think that's the case.. at all.. How do you figure?

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im making a more subliminal case about how the left is pro-state, which means they're pro-cops. ironically the people on the left are those who would gain the most from fewer-to-no cops.

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I'm getting more and more convinced that the only way to break this cycle of racial tensions is to call for public opinion to stop framing blacks as helpless victims, it just polarizes everyone. Defining black culture as gangster culture creates the dissent or divide that we are still seeing today. It's 2014, if anything else was going to solve these issues, it would have happened already. Jews and asians coming to the US as immigrants with nothing but the clothes on their back took less than a generation to get to a similar economic level as whites. This strongly contradicts the common notion that it's just because black people are poor or that they're being held back.

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I agree with all of this pretty much, but just wanted to point out that the comparison of blacks with other immigrant groups isn't worth much. The first generation Asian immigrants in America were/are heavily subsidized by the state, and seemed to almost invariably start profitable businesses with the interest-free loans the state gives them. Blacks on the other hand have always been here and started out as slaves, then as second-class citizens, which created a nasty culture that festered as it trickled down through the generations.

As you said, the victimization is a big part of that. Most blacks grow up thinking they have no chance, that they're entitled to free shit because of what their ancestors went through, and many think that violence is the only way to get ahead. They mostly come from single-parent homes (this strongly correlates with a lack of economic success), and they're far more likely to have suffered neglect or abuse as children (this strongly correlates with a propensity toward violence). There is no solution for these problems other than self-reflection. The welfare state will only perpetuate this mentality of victimhood and entitlement.

I should have mentioned that the time period was the decades after WW2. I don't think they subsidized immigrants back then (If i'm wrong please tell me, i'm not 100 percent). Still, the asian immigrants got to something like 3/4th of white prosperity in one generation. Jews, having fled europe and arriving with nothing, went above white prosperity in half a generation. They actually might have had help but jews seem to prosper no matter where they are.

It paints a depressing picture but no countries run by blacks have managed to grow beyond third world status despite all the foreign aid, foreign investment and adapting western government and market structures. South-africa after Apartheid is now run by blacks and it went downhill fast, a hell hole for both blacks and whites. Like i said, it doesn't paint a very encouraging picture. I do firmly believe that things in the US can change for the better but it has to be through a mentality change propagated by government and media, centered around pretty much what the black guy is saying in that video double posted in the randomness thread.

If we use Thad Russell's worldview, black Americans are the primary subversion tool of oppressive social norms. For example, weed is becoming legal, which would be unlikely if it wasn't for so many black people getting fucked over by its illegality

It's a catch 22. Blacks' lack of integration into the dominant white culture creates more problems for blacks, but it also creates more freedoms for the mainstream

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According to the statement by the procecutor yesterday Wilson dealt with the baby call quickly and went specifically for Brown, recognizing him by the description he was given about his large build, shirt, socks and the stolen cigarillo's in his hand.

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Grand jury testimony by Wilson says that he was not going to respond to the robbery case and only realized who Brown was from the description given once the initial altercation had already taken place, so who knows.

wait a second are the reports now that the dude bumrushed the cop?

or did i just get trolled by b

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wait a second are the reports now that the dude bumrushed the cop?

or did i just get trolled by b

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Wilson's testimony was that during the altercation in the car, Brown was shot in the hand. He started to run off, and Wilson chased after him a short distance. Brown then turned and rushed Wilson. Wilson shot Brown in short bursts (not all at once) while backing away.

His testimony is supported by a lot of other evidence, and all "witness" accounts otherwise have been proven false by that evidence.

There are a lot of people who are upset because they believe that it's wrong to kill an unarmed man under any circumstances. These people tend to believe that Michael Brown posed no serious threat to the much smaller Darren Wilson while punching him in the face and trying to take his gun.

Oops, here comes reality showing that someone can be killed with a single punch, and the whole "unarmed teenager" bullshit is out the window.

He shoot him in the hand, he ran away. He chases him, and Brown turns around, and then he start shooting him, and that's not murder? A few shoot in the legs, and he is no danger anymore. IT IS MURDER. PERIOD...

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He shoot him in the hand, he ran away. He chases him, and Brown turns around, and then he start shooting him, and that's not murder? A few shoot in the legs, and he is no danger anymore. IT IS MURDER. PERIOD...

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This comment alone shows you're a fucking idiot and shouldn't post about these issues.

The only chink in wilson's story that doesn't pass the smell test for me is that he shot brown from quite a distance. I've seen quotes anywhere from 35 feet to 153 feet. What was the actual distance?

Anyway it's hard to sell the imminent mortal danger story the larger that distance is.

thoughts on a prosecution team that wasn't interested in prosecuting?
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/w...y-364273731666

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This comment alone shows you're a fucking idiot and shouldn't post about these issues.

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Sure, but don't you think for all of the money the taxpayers spend on cops that some of that money could be invested in the non-lethal or less-lethal tech necessary to have stopping power in these situations? It seems like the liability costs alone that would be saved (by killing fewer perpetrators) would be worth a lot.

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Sure, but don't you think for all of the money the taxpayers spend on cops that some of that money could be invested in the non-lethal or less-lethal tech necessary to have stopping power in these situations? It seems like the liability costs alone that would be saved (by killing fewer perpetrators) would be worth a lot.

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This is a whole other argument. This cop did not have these options, and most cops don't. I wouldn't do this job for twice the pay that most US cops make and if I did, I would be damned if I was going to take any chances in places like this or other inner city, low rent areas. I want to go home to my wife/parents/kids. I wouldn't hesitate to make sure that happened no matter who the idiot was doing in front of me. I am not trying to save anyone's life when I pull that gun. If I get called to some situation, goal one is that I live through it, fuck the rest of them.

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He shoot him in the hand, he ran away. He chases him, and Brown turns around, and then he start shooting him, and that's not murder? A few shoot in the legs, and he is no danger anymore. IT IS MURDER. PERIOD...

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You're mistaken about the facts of the case, the definition of murder and the viability of shooting an aggressor in the legs.

No offense jym but I'm surely glad you aren't a police officer. Last I checked the policemen were akin to the military and were all about self sacrifice and risking one's life to protect and serve.

That said, I don't believe its all that virtuous to hold to such naive nationalistic beliefs, and I'm surely glad I'm not a police officer or soldier either.

I was very sad to see that the church Michael Brown's parents attended had been damaged by fire from the riots.

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Last I checked the policemen were akin to the military and were all about self sacrifice and risking one's life to protect and serve.

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Police have no duty to protect and serve, only to enforce the law.

A couple of guys from the New Black Panthers planned to kill the Ferguson police chief, a prosecutor and blow up the St. Louis arch.

Link: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local...loch/19565733/

I'm glad they were caught.

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This comment alone shows you're a fucking idiot and shouldn't post about these issues.

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Eww, dude... Why are you so angry? Why are you primarily attacking him instead of his ideas? There are ideas, reasonably described as naive and narrow-sighted, being put forth in this thread which are "on the same side" as you, and you don't bat an eyelash. What's the deal?

Michael Brown's step-dad could be charged with inciting a riot. From the video footage of the stupid shit he was yelling after the grand jury decision, it's pretty clear that there's sufficient evidence for him to be charged.

The media manipulation of all of this has been really incredible though. They're making so much money by making this about race.

This isn't about money. Probably a lot more money could be made if the media started a crusade against the brown stepdad bc that would really be something new. The media has to espouse the opinions of the political leadership and their higher-ups. You can trace all this back to the highest social order ie the UN and the ideologies that won ww2.

The intellectual honest truth is almost always somewhere in the middle between two extreme competing views. All of the things like feminism gone full retard, campaigning to not be offensive ad absurdum, racial incitement and victimization under the guise of equality, they're all sides of the same coin, what we call in europe the left wing ideologies.

What is happening in belgium atm is rather fascinating in that regard. The center-right party won the last election and they completely took over the government. The left has been all but silenced. In the first few days they screamed "racists" (in parliament, literally) but for perhaps the first time noone listened anymore and the government held firm. Now law after law is being passed that puts the screws on immigrantation and immigrant problems. It seems that the times they are a-changing, at least in europe.

http://i.imgur.com/nouLzDZ.jpg

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This isn't about money. Probably a lot more money could be made if the media started a crusade against the brown stepdad bc that would really be something new. The media has to espouse the opinions of the political leadership and their higher-ups. You can trace all this back to the highest social order ie the UN and the ideologies that won ww2.

The intellectual honest truth is almost always somewhere in the middle between two extreme competing views. All of the things like feminism gone full retard, campaigning to not be offensive ad absurdum, racial incitement and victimization under the guise of equality, they're all sides of the same coin, what we call in europe the left wing ideologies.

What is happening in belgium atm is rather fascinating in that regard. The center-right party won the last election and they completely took over the government. The left has been all but silenced. In the first few days they screamed "racists" (in parliament, literally) but for perhaps the first time noone listened anymore and the government held firm. Now law after law is being passed that puts the screws on immigrantation and immigrant problems. It seems that the times they are a-changing, at least in europe.

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Europe has always been the hotbed for this, as it was also the birthplace. Like you say, two sides of the same coin. People like to claim Nazis and Soviets were two diametrically opposed groups, but they were basically the same, just that their views of exactly which oppressed peoples to protect was different. Nazis preferred the Germans (nationalism), the Soviets preferred the proletariat (classism). In a vein most similar to the Soviets, the left-wing in the West considers its oppressed as those of lower social status in ethnic, gender, or wealth means.

Most of the media hails from this view, primarily classism side. Intentionally or not, they believe the cause of problems is oppression of class and perceived minorities of power. This is in stark contrast to the other branch of western ideology, grown in Britain and the US and some around the Netherland/Belgium region, where the common man is considered powerful. I personally espouse this view because it is the most economically sound and has yielded results far beyond what the other ever did.

It's not a coincidence that Europe is an economic basketcase, with abysmal unemployment, yet this gets very little media coverage. Europe is the bastion of political policies preferred by the media, and they'll be damned if they say an unkind word about those policies

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The case they should be going nuts over is the Eric Garner case. They have the guy on video being killed by a cop who was not following the right procedure or anything that would have to do with common sense. The NYC medical examiner's office say that he died from what the cop did. The cop wasn't supposed to do that. It's on video. That's fucking murder. And the cop gets cleared by a grand jury. The difference with this and the Ferguson case is that the evidence clearly proves the NYC choking situation being straight-up murder while the evidence clearly points to the Ferguson situation being justifiable homicide.

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