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So what do you guys think of seal clubbing?
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So what do you guys think of seal clubbing?
Oh and from wikipedia:
The hakapik shall be used to ensure that the animal is dead. This is done by crushing the skull of the shot adult seal with the short end of the hakapik, before the long spike is thrust deep into the animal's brain.
The 2002 CVMA report, however, indicated an average time of 45.2 seconds between the animal being shot and a sealer killing it with a hakapik.
Whitecoats, which are newborns, aren't killed for their fur, anymore, but anti-sealers ignore that because the pictures make such great inflammatory propaganda.
CBC News - Canada - FAQs: The Atlantic seal hunt
Also, since we're throwing 'facts' around:
"In 2005, the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) commissioned the Independent Veterinarians Working Group Report. With reference to video evidence, the report states: "Perception of the seal hunt seems to be based largely on emotion, and on visual images that are often difficult even for experienced observers to interpret with certainty. While a hakapik strike on the skull of a seal appears brutal, it is humane if it achieves rapid, irreversible loss of consciousness leading to death.""
seals are awesome and I think these club-totin' pricks should all be shot in the face with a high-caliber rifle
squirrels and possum are awesome, too, but spoon eats them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Penneywize
this is one of those things in the world where it's always seemed to me to be so bizarre, that some people choose to have a really passionate viewpoint on the subject while not giving a flying fuck about other stuff.
The newest newborns aren't killed, but they lose their white fur very early (3-4 weeks) in their lives, and seals that young are routinely clubbed so what does it matter if they're 3 days or 3 weeks old?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
While it's true that clubbing would be humane IF it "achieves rapid, irreversible loss of consciousness", the fact is that hunters are often rushed, trying to minimize the amount of seals that escape. These rushed conditions are obviously not great for precision striking every time. It has routinely been observed that some seals in the bunch are skinned while still conscious.
You couple those kind of inhumane 'hunting' techniques with the fact that the industry exists largely for fur that we can't even export to our biggest trading partner, producing tons of meat waste and I'm going to have to say that it's a national embarrassment to Canada.
In the grand scheme of things, not so bad. Beating an animal to death is relative mercy compared to what most humans endure, so I kinda don't care. I mean I do care, but fuck it, right
Can't be coincidence that wufwugy and I agree on something the same time that he only writes a line or two in a reply. My brain must be simple.
in other news, why haven't we just established private property rights for seals and whales so everyone can move on with their lives? Brain's to simple to understand.
lol @ ppl against seal hunt who eat any kind of meat ever.
Also meat doesn't go to waste, we eat it and sell it. Recently we made a deal w/ china to sell them our seal meat to them.
Another point to clubbing seals is that their population is 3x larger then it was in 1970, seals cut into the fishing/lobster industries which is hugely important in atlantic canada.
Seal fat has also been called the natural penicillin of the North and it seems true; it is used more than any other animal or plant part in traditional medicine.
It also supplies a tonne of work during the spring of the year when there aren't other options for a lot of people during this time.
once again, lol @ people against the seal hunt who eat ANY kind of meat
http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/...eal-hunt-2.jpg
So you support this?
http://www.downtownpet.com/blog/uplo...eal-708316.jpg
It takes a unique brand of evil to laugh at those who move to protect such noble creatures.
And to defend your madness by selling us on the wondrous benefits of seal-oil...
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It also supplies a tonne of work during the spring of the year when there aren't other options for a lot of people during this time.
Could just let them starve in 5 years when they run out of food I guess.
...But that seems like a waste
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Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet
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Those animals just aren't smart enough to not starve, so killing them for our goals isn't of any concern to anyone. Just making the best of a poor situation.
I haven't read much on the subject, but my reply was with regards to clubbing them just because. If there are actual reasons like food or economical issues then virtually anybody against it is a hypocrite on some level
Also, clubbing a million seals to death is less tragic than one human starving to death. Let's call it what it is.
What about starving one sub-human to death?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
People who eat hamburgers aren't allowed to have opinions on cruelty? Many forms of barbarism and injustice exist, so it's foolish to oppose any one particular form? Liberia has a high infant mortality rate, therefore I shouldn't care about corruption in Somalia. And vice versa.
Amusing logic ITT.
This isn't the first time that I haven't been able to tell if your posts are serious or jokes. It's easy to tell with most people, but either you have incredibly dry sarcasm or sincere hyperboleQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I think now should be a good time to tell how I'm pro-dog fighting as long as they're not mistreated outside of the arena. The amount of suffering dogs endure in a deathmatch is no greater than if they were born in the wild. Actually it's arguably less. Wild animals don't usually die peaceful deaths. When they're not gulped down or crushed instantly, they're slowly chocked or disemboweled
OMFG..........I laughed my asss off!:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
If you think the way seals are murdered is worse then the way cows are slaughtered you have some serious problems you need to address.Quote:
Originally Posted by grnydrowave2
Quick question for you.
Would you rather get your skull smashed in and at the very least be knocked unconcious right away or would you rather have someone begin cutting you before you are even dead?
Also I don't see how this subject has to do with anything in 3rd world countries and my point was that most other animals are born,bred, and slaughtered in much more inhumane conditions/ways then the on average 45seconds a seal has to deal with.
Yeah. Including the clubbing, the way we treat seals is substantially more merciful than the way we treat our big business livestock like chicken. Seals get the attention because they're cute, photos are easy to obtain, and nobody wants to think on all the bad their luxuries or necessities are predicated uponQuote:
Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet
It could be worse is exactly what this little guy was thinking...Quote:
Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet
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Well, the last thing he was thinking was probably ffssgghhlllsblbllarggl....
I wasn't comparing the two. I'm well aware that cows are treated inhumanely so that I can eat them. That doesn't mean I'm happy about the situation. I also wear clothes and use products that are likely the fruit of slave labor. I imagine that you probably do as well. I acknowledge that these are both much worse than seal clubbing. That shouldn't invalidate one's opinion on it. There are lots of things going on in the world that are much more horrible, but that's no reason to be apathetic about the smaller things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet
Except that it really pretty much is. Just seems like you're picking an easy target so you can feel warm inside without actually having to make any lifestyle changes to support your beliefs.
I think that both views are philosophically reasonable. Personally, my philosophy on things like suffering is that they start becoming problems when they exceed the naturalQuote:
Originally Posted by grnydrowave2
Okay. I'll go out and try to make a difference. Let's make a sorted list of the worst events in the world so I can get outraged in the correct order and know which things I shouldn't be giving a shit about.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
It's not that I'm hung up on other things ranking more highly on the atrocities scale, my criticism is of people choosing to get outraged about something where they can't really make a difference as they probably don't at all contribute to the problem, rather than finding something (however large or small) that they consider negative where they could make a positive difference (however large or small), and taking action there.Quote:
Originally Posted by grnydrowave2
Aaaaaaand at the end of the day I'm not really trying to say "pick something else to make a huge deal about and go out and save the world" so much as "please stop making a huge deal about this one thing since it all just seems to be for show."
Ah, I understand now. Well I'm not going to get on a soap box about seal clubbing. I just think it's pretty messed up, personally.
Also I'm sure you've all heard this joke, but it probably belongs in here anyway:
A baby seal walks into a club.
They should stop using clubs and start using spades.
lol double entendre
I think seal clubbing is a scourge on our fair city, the fact that the bouncers keep us out, and only let those seals in... just discriminatory.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I have lived in northern communities where the local Inuit subsisted on seals, Beluga Whales, walrus, etc., so blood on snow is not a new sight to me.
In the case of the seal hunt, the Newfoundland fisherman also rely on the income for subsistence so, yes, I support it. If the seals were endangered I would feel differently, but they aren't (not even close) so I don't. The harvest is well managed.
Provocative images like this could just as easily be taken in a slaughterhouse that processes cattle, pigs, chickens, turkeys, etc., but because the seals are so 'cute' then people have an irrational, emotional response.
Tell ya what: stop eating meat, period, then you may have a right to get on a high horse.
Wait a second, all this seal clubbing hoopla hasn't been about them killing seals just because? Ever since this stuff hit the news eons ago, I figured it couldn't be about legit economical killings because nobody would be stupid enough to cry about that, right? I guess that goes to show that even though I have next to no faith in humanity, it's still too muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
If seal stuff is about various nourishment then the debate was over before it began. I fucking hate animal activists. All they do is get in the way of people who actually care about animals
And not eating meat wouldn't even come close to alleviating any hypocrisy. More like stop doing anything associated with fossil fuels or a modern economy. The aggregate cost to animal life is more when you drive a car than when you eat a steak, after all.
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Yay let's go smack some baby seals in the fucking head.
He shouts from his ivory tower.Quote:
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I suspect a lot of people in this thread are leveling but I honestly have no fucking clue.
Also, as a total aside from everything going on in this thread, this is probably the cutest picture ever.Quote:
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My eyes are bulging dollar signs as well... just look at the promise of economic stability in that soft coat and those softer eyes.Quote:
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Hey I was just trolling but here are thread-savers: a goddamn redneck water park
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not getting much air on that tho, need a better ramp
I'm just trolling too (but that should be obvious), I didn't realize there was actual discussion on sealing. I've only ever discussed clubbing baby seals as a joke, I honestly don't care how many are killed and in what manner.
redneck water slide is the shit tho right
Those pics won't load though so I can't comment.
If we were dropped into the jungle somewhere we'd very possibly be bitten by a poisonous creature and die a slow and painful death involving some kind of paralysis. But that doesn't make shooting a person in the head morally neutral.Quote:
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
That's absolutely right, but that's also why I look to practicality instead of abstraction. When you boil it down, morality is actually a red herring. All the "morality" of our society is a product of tangible civil functions. So I won't say that shooting somebody in the head is wrong because it's morally wrong, but because it's deleterious for the society in a very real way. When you examine our morals, you'll see this sort of thing come to light. An example is how we are so willing to shoot foreign brown people in the head, yet not shoot our neighbors down the street. The morals haven't really changed, but the relative social impacts haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Ash256
Can't half ass that shit homeyQuote:
Originally Posted by thelorax
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I should reform my response a little. At first I thought your response was to a different post of mine, so that changes my first response by a little, but not a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by Ash256
I'll just reform it by saying that I merely consider a "normal" level of suffering as normal and unavoidable. I won't get my panties in a wad over organisms living normal lives and enduring what they've been mostly evolved for, but I will most certainly get my panties in a wad over artificial suffering taken to extremes. That's the primary reason why I lament modernism over tribalism. Yes, tribalism does involve some suffering, but it's not even remotely close to the levels in modernism. I consider the levels in tribalism to be "acceptable" while the modernism levels are unacceptable. That's getting into fairly tale land, but I think the example can illustrate where I'm coming from
Also, I think if you look at our lives, you'll see that we consider a certain level of suffering as normal. Like a baby has to cry or a child has to confront a bully or an adult has to experience a broken heart. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't imagine that suffering that should be considered normal to be extreme. I only say this because animal activists are oblivious to it. They get mad because humans butcher a cow, but they don't realize that if things were left up to nature, it'd be lions and hyenas and wild dogs butchering the livestock instead
FYPQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
At first I was like...
http://www.ecoenquirer.com/baby-seal-man.jpg
Then I was like...
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-Seals are cute at a very young age.
-How could someone beat such a cute animal over the head like that?
-Somebody should do something
-Wait, I don't give enough fuck to do something about it because I'm not a vegetarian
-Are they endangered yet?
-No?
-Food chain it is
The crux of my argument is choice. Animals in our 'care' (used loosely) are under our control. If I own a dog which I've trained to be loyal to me, I can feed it, love it and take care of it, equally I can kick the shit out of it and poke it in the eyes with a stick. Once an animal is under our control, what would happen to it in the wild isn't that relevant, because we have the choice to control what actually happens to it in the present. Vegetarians say we have a choice as to whether or not we wish to eat meat and I agree with them. We have control over what we inflict on our animals. I don't feel comfortable seeing a slaughter but I choose to inflict that on animals because I like meat and it's nutritious.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
And that's why I pretty much agree with you on meat and disagree on dogfighting.
Push come to shove, I may not like dog fighting for emotional or other reasons, but I usually bring up some level of support for it in a response to generic retard animal lovers making stupid arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash256
And I wouldn't really say you have much choice about eating meat. You do, but the choices aren't inherently equal. I mean, I guess you could choose to not eat meat and becoming weaker, sicker, and stupider because of it
I'm being somewhat contrarian right now, though. I think there are several valid philosophies on the matter
how is it that i have like 6 zillion posts and this is my 3rd time in the fking commune
u srs?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
i agree with wufs post
Yes, there is at least one vitamin that has been demonstrated to be accessible to humans only by consuming animal flesh. Perhaps it is also accessible via intramuscular injection, but that shit is retardedQuote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
Vegetarians will start an argument that by mixing certain foods they can get complete proteins and all the essential vitamins and minerals, but in all reality, there aren't that many that do the work to find out what they actually have to do. They are the minority.
B12? No idea which you're referring to because it's tough to find a dietitian in this day and age that doesn't acknowledge that vegetarian diets are able to meet nutritional requirements without supplements, especially with eggs and dairy.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Vegan diets are tougher without supplements (oral, not non-intramuscular (lol)), but not impossible. Just impractical for people who don't have tons of time on their hands.
Come back soon, friend of friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
Yes, B12. The impossibility to absorb this vitamin if it doesn't come from an animal source is one of the reasons why many vegetarians aren't vegetarians. They somehow think that eating eggs or fish magically allows them still call themselves vegetarians. Yet if they don't consume those at the very least they will be weaker and stupider due to a lack of DHA, EPA, and B12Quote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
There are likely more nutrients that only animals can provide, and I believe it is unreasonable to think that a diet that doesn't adhere to the basics of evolution can be assumed to adequate
The term "vegetarian" is maybe poorly defined, but is commonly accepted to be someone who at the very least doesn't consume meat (including fish for the most part), not someone who "only eats vegetables". Maybe it's a poor word choice, but you're just nitpicking semantics of an already ill-defined term to scream "vegetarians aren't allowed to eat eggs". True vegans are in the small minority of vegetarians, so to throw around the term "vegetarian" to mean "vegan" is misleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
With eggs, a vegetarian diet isn't particularly difficult to keep up and in most cases is going to be much healthier than the average American diet. And as for evolution, we evolved a very flexible digestive system, capable of keeping us going on a myriad of different fuels.
I wasn't referring to semantics of vegetarianism, but that it's usually selectivism because it doesn't work that well. And my point about evolution was that it's foolish to assume optimization while straying from evolution. We already know for a fact that a diet without some kinds of animal is inferior, and the logic is that because there is much we don't know about diets, we shouldn't assume that a less "natural" one will be somehow not worseQuote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
I'm inclined to agree with you, in terms of diet optimization following what our diets would "naturally" be, but then in terms of meat, we need both much leaner meats, and in smaller quantity than we tend to consume in the west to revert back to a pre-agriculture diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
It's funny when people use the argument that meat consumption is natural to justify 3 meals a day of fatty red meat.
I would like to try seal.
But I bet it would be rubbery.
Actually, know what I would really like? A seal and veal sandwich. Throw some baby lettuces on there.
I'd call it the Cute sandwich.
Nobody eats seal except for busto newfies and eskimos. Canada has a tough time getting rid of the meat and afaik most of it goes to korean pet food, as the rest of the world is too disgusted by the hunt to even use it for that. I did hear that we managed to sell some to China. They'll eat anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
I'm 1/64th Iniut and drink like a Newfie. Bring it.Quote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
Toast, mayo, seal, cheese, bacon, lettuce, tomato, toast, mayo, seal, cheese, bacon, lettuce, tomato, toast.
Best Seal Club sandwich evar. I'm starved.
I would totally eat a Baby Seal Sammich, but only if it was soaked in barbecue sauce and deepfried the GOOD OLD 'MERCIAN WAY!
rilla's leveling in this thread has made me think, "not sure if srs" in regards to his posts in the gun debate thread.
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I agree with this 110%
In other news: Benny just crushed this thread.
soooo many good jokes itt, good job commune!
What does seal taste like? Is there any place that I could find it in northeast Ohio?
There's a water animal show at Cedar Point, IIRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
I'd guess that it tastes similar to whale ie nomnOMNOmoMNOmOMommmmmmilicious
Shit, it is hard to find a good steak in Northeast Ohio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
Seal meat? Heck... you can maybe find good perch on a good day.
But Seal Meat? Not around my house.
They closed down sea world here... took shamu to somewhere else. And we've been sad ever since.Quote:
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Yeahbut, where can I get whale? (Insert joke about American state colleges and/or bigred's Mom here.)Quote:
Originally Posted by HalvSame
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surely it tastes like chicken? Just like everything else.
Does it actually taste nice?
Considering how much of their body is blubber to keep them warm, I'd be it tastes really oily and fatty.
Should have incoming pickaxe imo
To carve it out a little bed? How thoughtful!
Here4seals
An Iniut, some ice, and some blood
YouTube - Jordin Tootoo destroys Matt Bradley 3/10/2009 High Quality with Blood
I'm sure he's had a seal sammich
Seals are kinda meh.
I believe it is possible to have complex views on emotional issues.
I take the predator's view.
Not all animals are created equally. Creatures who function as a primary food source for other animals -- they tend to be generally stupid, they overbreed. These animals are dependent on predators to keep their populations healthy. Domesticated animals raised for food, I mean, I'm sure the life of Perdue chickens is not very pleasant, but it's not keeping me up at night.
Then there are animals that have high intelligence and familial bonds. I think it is a high crime against nature to hunt tigers, lions, elephants. Killer whales and chimpanzees seem like they are a few mere millennia away from playing poker ffs.
Throw elephants in there for poker imo. Dolphins as well.
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