I know but I appreciate his attempt at seer cover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kami
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I know but I appreciate his attempt at seer cover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kami
I worked till nearly midnight tonight, and I'll do the same tomorrow and then I'm flying most of Friday. I won't be in the thread for D1 except for a little bit tonight and maybe some tomorrow night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kami
I'm doing the best I can for the village, the same as the MU game. What have you done to help the village win?
Lynch Wufwugy
I iso'd rilla and I realized that his posts this game were also fluffy and short. Which is in direct contrast to how I described him earlier.
BID:
I'm a little concerned that you're not used to reading people in ISO, because context matters a lot.
Go read the May game, the first 2 pages, and see how Rilla interacts with people.
I'm coming around to baudib being a villager. I don't know why I always think he's a wolf but I do. Same goes for boog and wuf.
rescind
lynch wuf
I would get on board with a kami lynch wagon if it takes off.
Too much work tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I'd rather just iso from now on, rather than do research.
(I'm not a wolf avoiding this. I'm a lazy villager)
Rascal all youve done is barely post and claim seer
How is that helping town?
Yet you come at me asking me how ive helped town?
laughable
also i wasnt even lynching you when u lynched me so you got caught lying, you did not lynch me because i was trying to lynch the "seer"
No one has talked about me on this page
*angrily eats bamboo*
i just got to thread tonight and i was ready to quote this and say "rascal should never be a wolf"Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
i just dont buy any of the cases. i'm happy to give wufwugy a day pass here since he asked for it.
yall have posted a lot but i havent been able to get much value out of it
Who should we lynch, Gabe?
strong villager post. good jobQuote:
Originally Posted by ShipItUp
i kept eliminating people until i got to these. hoopy could be removed but i dont know why he should be. what do you think out of these?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
JKDS
Gator
Baudib
Hoopy
Evene
Cory
I feel like this isn't a good list. Maybe 0.8 wolves on average.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
What do you think of Rilla? Why are you giving Wuf a pass?
hmm good talk.
JKDS - shows some signs of solveyness. A little annoying that he doesn't really put in any effort on D1. Could be a wolf.
Hoopy - Don't see any reason why he can't be a wolf. Could be anything.
Gator - has displayed some behavior that indicates he's unlikely to be a wolf. It's Gator though.
Evene - somewhat near null. I kinda want to see her in action when we have some more information.
Baudib - not a wolf ldo
Cory - probably out of his wolf range.
baud bolds wufQuote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
drew admits he always thinks baud is a wolf
drew admits he always thinks wuf is a wolf
baud convinces drew to unbold baud and instead bold wuf
thats not supposed to happen
baud just seems like hes not flowing the same way as he does when hes a villager. and ive spotted him as a villager plenty of times..
i also raelize im focusing on baudib too much. i need to apply myself toward these other heavy posters
How do I have anything to do with BID voting Wuf?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
What? I'm flowing exactly as I always do.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
|| VOTE COUNT ||
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
player (votes) || who's voting for them
rascal (3) || Ship, Cory, Kami
Wuf (3) || Ong, Baudib, BID
Kami (2) || rilla, rascal
baudib (1) || gabe
Gator (1) || Evene
JKDS (1) || SMF
ong (1) || wuf
SMF (1) || JKDS
no vote (2) || Hoopy, gator
8 to lynch. Day 1 ends in ~30 hours, all other days will be 48 hrs long as stated in the OP.
Also, we accept votes in whatever format as long as they are bold
JKDS and Evene are interesting. They're both very similar in that they're very capable players, both been under the radar a bit. I don't know if this post restriction isa factor for Evene or not.
I kinda like Evene's posts. Nothing that would be overly difficult to say as a wolf but thoughtful. I wouldn't lynch her.
JKDS is less impressive than I thought. I don't like his push on SMF, although I grow considerably less comfortable with him the longer he stays AFK.
I don't like many of these wagons at all. Maybe that's why the game is so quiet (relatively speaking, a couple of people have like 90% of the posts in the past 20 hours).Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
I really want Rilla to be a wagon. It gives me pause that not a single person has said anything favorable about him, or anything that amounts to a soft-defense. But no one is actually pushing him, either, I guess. Like if he were a villager, I would suspect that someone would have expressed a willingness to lynch him since me and Cory were on him earlier.
Maybe Rilla and Hoopy. Cory, Ship and I are the leading posters in the thread aorn, by a lot. There hasn't been tons of activity as far as votes, but neither Rilla nor Hoopy got past 2 votes. 2 votes in a 15-person game isn't much.
That seems to be resistance to two wagons of people who haven't been exceptionally villagery.
lynch Rilla
I realize it's a lot of effort to make like 3 clicks but here's the first page of the May game, Rilla's last game. Rilla is tanned and rested, sipping margaritas at the pool all summer, so it's not burnout.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ad-199098.html
Take a look at these:
Rilla tarping in the first post of the game. Classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by lilrascal
Also classic Rilla. In your face, zero fucks to give.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by lilrascal
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
^ Here's a wolf forced to call a villager a villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
^ I was 2 for 3 here. I figured out Gabe a couple posts later.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I haven't gone past post #33 of the May game yet:
I said Rilla was trolling with this vote, he said he was only half-trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Rilla splashing around, pushing literally everyone he comes into contact with. He was right on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Rilla had 15 of the first 52 posts in that game, including kicking the game off with #WIM early in the morning.
OH I found this too:
Remember this?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I was serious when I saw this in the thread and I got the "OMG Rilla's a wolf!" vibe. I mean it's super thin but I think the reason it resonated was I kinda thought that Wuf's opening "hey, it's a game" was also wolfy, but didn't bother mentioning it because it seemed so thin.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Wuf ended up being a wolf of course.
MonkeyFace says something about a post I made and asked if I could make that post as a wolf, I informed him that I could. His response:
^ this is post #83 in the thread. I don't expect Rilla to come out spitting fire at the start of every game, but he goes from fighting with everyone in every post, and filling the page up with short, single-line posts to this, his first "substantive" post of this game:Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace
I mean, is SMF's question to me really the only interesting thing that's happened in the game at this point? This is subtly casting shade on me when SMF leaning village on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
No reasoning, no attacks on anyone, just floating the idea. hmmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
^ excuse for not being actively engaged?Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I guess Rilla liking Ship's reads list that lists him as a wolf is almost villagery.
OR
Is it a concession or confession? Wolves like it when they can openly tell the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Those were heady times, that May game. It was a really unusual thing on FTR, where the village coalesced super early and the wolves struggled to post. Gabe was talking about the game being locked up on D1, and said we had the wolves crushed on D2 even though we hadn't killed one yet.
Rilla was a huge part of that. Where's that guy this game?
Rilla, I'll be mad at you if you're a villager.
lynch baudib
baudib should know better than to lynch rilla on d1.
lynch OngBonga no u
Ong, I'm putting you on ignore until EOD. Do something productive in the meantime.
rilla - extremely game solvey, really likes to figure out puzzles, and is not very good at faking that enthusiasm.
Here, he looks wolfy because he's not really trying very hard. But it certainly wouldn't be the first d1 where he was a villager who didn't try hard. rilla is easier to read on later days. baudib should know this, and should also know how much of a loss rilla villager is early on.
That was ridiculously predictable. The amusing thing is you actually think you're good at this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
You just voted for your 4% wolf because I voted for you. Skills.
Ong, I didn't read those last two posts you made since you're on ignore. You were doing so well and now you went into stupid mode again. Get a grip.
Anyone who votes for baudib is stupid and can fuck off.
Who wants to be stupid and fuck off with me?
who is rilla and why r they voting me?_?
My guess is he wants you to die.
u smart ass
It was an earnest answer. I can't claim to know anything else about his intentions.
how do you feel about Ship now?
Also, do you really think Cory is a wolf or are you just messing around. Any reasons?
Also, Kami, tell me about how you did in the Hydra game. I'll look at it sometime later.
I'm watching Orphan Black. Everyone is so wolfy in it.
Some of his posts seem weird to me especially the panda bullshit
But I wouldn't vote him today
I basically was inactive the entire time until at the last second to lunch the seer over my wolf palQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
And ship played it off like we didn't discuss it and I did it randomly when we did it on purpose
He Carried me and I was bad
He seems like he's trying so hard and his reaction to me voting him was so different from his reaction to othersQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Idk what to think tbh
Like why would u point out no one is mentioning you
It's like a wolf bragging public ally or smth lol
He's probably good tho and just being a fking weirdo?????
Idk
kami ask baudib why he's voting for a townread.
Yeah, sounds like I'm a villagerQuote:
Originally Posted by Kami
Good read bruv
How is trying too hard to look town town?
I don't think his vote was srsQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
rascal's claim is bollocks.
We know
rascal is experienced enough to claim vig if he's seer.
I think this is a baudib/rascal plan. rascal is tied up and is putting his neck on the block for the greater good of his team.
The "jfc not again" feels really insincere.
drew's reaction to the claim, I like. It was instant, and natural.
Yeah and a seer who understands the importance of his role should carefully consider all options.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
What bugs me is that rascal had apparently been awake for nearly 24 hours at the time, which is a town explanation for his claim.
A vig claim is a million times better though. Real vig would surely consider that claim to be too stupid to be a wolf, and thus conclude it's the seer or angel. Wolves might prefer to go seer hunting and leave the claimed vig to hopefully shoot a villager. Angel might still protect the claimed vig because the claim is too stupid to be a wolf.
rascal should be claiming vig as seer, as I feel like he would have done so. But... tiredness can kill.
Lolwut?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kami
Afaict I am just trying
I'm pretty well known for being one of the highest effort villagers there is
Kami
I accept let's fite
44% serious
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Originally Posted by baudib
These two posts show a totally different mindset.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
The first one implies he believes the claim. The second one implies the polar opposite. This seems very unnatural to me.
There could be more than one wolf in baudib/cory/kami, assuming rascal is a wolf. I'm certainly not dishing out any towncred to anyone who helped force a wolf's fakeclaim, considering it could be planned, especially given rascal is busy.
Baudib is a villager so like all of this seems irrelevant
Oh wolves have a roleblokcer, of course.
baudib might or might not be a wolf, idfk. He does really wolfy things as villager, and he does really villagery things as wolf.
rascal is always a wolf here though. A seer doesn't claim on d1 where the wolves have a roleblocker, especially a seer as smart as rascal.
lynch rascal
I rarely suggest lynching uncc'd roles in an open setup but that was a pretty meh claim
Let me think about it
Let's assume he's actually the seer who didn't think his claim through enough out of tiredness. The worst case scenario is a mislynch. He'll get roleblocked until he's killed. He's either effectively vanilla or a wolf who's seer hunting.
Seer's safe, Rascal's probably a villager. Not a pressing matter.
baudib do you think I'm a wolf?
baudib is voting for a townread of his, who he's now ignoring, because I voted for him.
I remember when I enjoyed playing with baudib.
Well today is the day before EOD so we should probably figure out who to lunch
Not saying just saying
Will try to get on at work when I can today but I'll be home ~5ish EST as per usual
baudib can you mod the next one please?
We should lynch the outed wolf.
Ong I don't think baudib's vote on you is serious bub
Not sure why you are so rattled, he's probably just trolling you
Don't let your jimmies get rustled you are doing God's work friendo
It doesn't matter if it's serious. It's a habit of his, and a very bad one at that. You dare to vote for me? You must be stupid. All the time while flooding the thread with crap. I'm tired of baudib. He provides nothing but noise until later days. I can do that too, I'm capable of noise, but I don't relentlessly assume those who think I'm wolfy are stupid, because I understand they are either lying, or they don't know my alignment and are trying to figure it out. To be wrong isn't to be stupid.
If baudib thinks he's obvtown and that those who think he *might* be a wolf here are stupid, he must have a much lower opinion of his wolf game than I do.
Ong, you have your glasses on wrong again. There are a ton of good players in this game. Why would baudib worry about rilla on day 1 as opposed to Gabe or myself or Hoopy or a cast of others? Your logic here makes way less sense than his does. He is trying and you are just attacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I read this as the first one being upset over a d1 claim, not the claim itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
JFC I am defending baudib too much.
rilla is potentially vulnerable. It's not difficult to present him as wolfy to the regs, because this is typical for d1 rilla wolf. It's also not difficult to get votes from those who don't realise how good he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
gabe isn't vulnerable, and you were but aren't now.
Look, do I actually think that baudib is a wolf who is trying to mislynch the great rilla? No, it's something that occured to me that I felt needed highlighting. Lynching rilla on d1 is a big deal, and it's something baudib seems to be doing lightly. Should I ignore this through fear of antagonising baudib?
Well from what I've picked up itt, it refers to a recent offsite game with baudib rascal and kami in which kami forced rascal's claim as seer.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
or he is a regular villager taking the block so the seer can wolf hunt. If rascal is as smart as you say he could have made that play as well don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
rascal is not SDM.
I often think about fakeclaiming a special when I'm vanilla getting wagonned, but I always realise it's a worse idea than just accepting lynch. What if the wagon diverts to the actual seer? What if the seer counterclaims too early thinking he has a wolf? Why draw an angel save onto a vanilla? What if the seer makes a mistake? These questions, a good villager will ask himself before making a dumb claim.
It's way too early for vanilla FPS. I don't think he's ever vanilla in this spot.
I've always hated the "we can't lynch player x even if they are doing what they do as a wolf because they are a strong or easy-to-read player" even if I have a habit of falling for it relatively often. Here's something that happens to me a great deal: there's a player who I read very, very well as a villager and can typically clear them by the end of D1. They are mostly inactive, but make some posts talking about how busy they are IRL or w/e and I decide "well, I should be able to read them well later, it's not worth pushing super hard bc maybe RL is making it hard for them to play and THAT'S why I don't already know their alignment even though I usually do by now" and push someone else just long enough for them to never get seriously wagoned. Someone else is lynched, villager or wolf. I get NKed. That player, of course, is a wolf.
One thing I've been trying to improve on is to not let myself get suckered into shit like this, and I agree with Gator in general that there are more than a few "good" players in this game and putting someone's villager game on a pedestal to overcome behavior from them that is typically ~wolfy is probably a mistake. But I doubt Rilla is going deep as a wolf so I'm not incredibly concerned.
AFAICT you should lynch the people acting like wolves
Well imo the single wolfiest thing so far is a seer claim on d1 where wolves have a roleblocker. That's much more likely to be a wolf than a seer.Quote:
AFAICT you should lynch the people acting like wolves
After doing as much research as he did you certainly can't accuse him of "doing it lightly".Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Conceptually I agree with this, however there are a ton of variables to think of and quite a few lead me to believe that lynching him is not the BEST play here.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I don't think the case on rilla is solid enough to lynch him this early, that's what I mean by "lightly". I think rilla is wolfy, but this could also be villager rilla who is failing to engage effectively with all the noise going on. I've no problem with baudib casing rilla, I have a problem with him being happy to lynch him on d1 without taking into account the impact it will have on town if it's a mislynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
I'm of the opinion that the tailor and roleblocker mean we should hit a wolf when we have him. I'm 99% sure rascal is a wolf, the 1% accounts for the possibility of him derping through his lack of sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
If Baudib believes he is a wolf then he should want to lynch him, but enough about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Who do you want to lynch?
I want to lynch rascal. I thought that was clear.
That is actually a very good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The counter though is that I think at least one of the wolves should have told him that it was too early in the day to hard claim, especially if he was one of the specials.
I actually meant other than him. Sorry for not being clear about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Is there a way to ISO someone on a phone?
Oh, well I dunno. I'm now blinded by the idea that rascal is confirmed wolf, so I'm looking at his claim and making assumptions based on rascal=wolf. I didn't like drew before the claim, but I do now. kami looks good assuming rascal is a wolf, but looks bad if he's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
This is why I want rascal dealt with quickly. He's either a useless seer that provides a huge distraction, or a wolf that provides a huge distraction. Killing him quickly clears things up quickly. We can't wait until there's no counterclaim to believe him, and the wolves will be in no hurry to kill someone they can roleblock. Given that he could be the tailor, it just seems like the optimal play. If he's seer, he shouldn't have claimed seer.
Claiming vanilla is the only move a seer can make, even under pressure, while the wolf RB is alive. Even a vig claim won't cut it because the wolves will still probably RB the claim.
I'd say lynching a seer claim is safer than lynching a vanilla claim.
Where is this seer claim?
Oh is this it?Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
If so, this seems hardly like a hard claim and more likely cover for me..
Monkey ^Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal