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i know i'm wrong about quad
it's way past dan's bedtime
Yes, we now have some concrete info...Quote:
Originally Posted by quadrospazz
We was wondering who was wuffing, while we weren't worried who was wolfing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
I'd like to publicly thank baudib for modding the vast majority of this game. You did a great job.
Crazy fast game. I'd like to play or mod an anon game soon. A few tweeks here and there might go a long way.
questions
1. How did you think being able to post at night affected the game? My thoughts on it were that it would essentially be neutral, but I actually felt some villagers were giving away WAY too much info and were incautious in their night posting.
2. I wanted to prompt more activity near the voting deadline, because that's exciting. Did the early EST evening deadline work out?
wait so that means the quadro out was fake and the wolves are quad and duck
In what way?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
That's around the time to do it. Has to be when the Euros are upQuote:
2. I wanted to prompt more activity near the voting deadline, because that's exciting. Did the early EST evening deadline work out?
lol
i think i talked a wolf into conceding but meh. he can come into thread and decide.
night talk is a big thing for the village but it huge for game enjoyment
trying to put posting restrictions on night talk is pretty much unworkable
it's either no talking or anything goes imo
aqua hasn't read up
aqua is trying to figure out why we're all talking like the game is over
so you think night talk was bad for the wolves?
the wolves got fucked like 80 ways till Sunday so it wouldn't have mattered, but N1 I thought the village did poorly. N2 Taint kinda owned it so it offset any fishy behavior.
1- It was good, I had to make sure I said something each night to avoid looking too much like a quiet special.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
2- Midnight deadline for UK, worked fine.
night talk puts more pressure on wolves because they can't relax
i think an extra wolf would balance this
i played like 5 turbos in the past 2 days lol
it goes
1 seer
6 vanillagers
2 wolves
works well given the turbo nature
a longer format games of 17 players
4 wolves
12 villagers
1 seer
is a good balance. 4 wolves in this setup would work i think?
seriously solid villaging especially on D1. It was soo solid no one actually believed how much in the shit the wolves were.
If I hadn't been modkilled, I was never ever going to lynch Duck or Gaston, BTW
i was blinded so much regarding gaston
i think it's jkds, and i know how much jkds can read me, and i know i'm obviously ong, so i figure jkds should be able to read me better. gaston sucked so bad at reading me that i figured it must be jkds wolfing.
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Originally Posted by duck
I think not having Eric roll wolf in his first game would balance it out. Bless his heart dude was clueless.
Shoryuken was a reg who has played almost every game for the past year or more...no guesses?
Oh and Gabe not modkilling his stupid self.
No, I'm not bitter. Not at all. :)
bugrud
I put Buck Nekid on life tilt I think. First I bubbled him in the Gold Rush freeroll when there was an absent player with less than 1 BB and then I modkilled him. you should see the dead rant
yeah he's bigred in my list
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Originally Posted by ducksucks
good guess but no. Red actually didn't play.
ah buck was grayfox
that means quad is hoopy
No DarkWingDuck = grayfoxx
shoryuken was dan?
he's gone quiet these days
lol i thought dwd was rilla playing low profile to avoid detection
Yeah, it made me laugh a lot when you and Shoryuken went at each other a bit.
shory = lolzzz?
fwiw gabe did us all a huge favor by getting modkilled. a huge, huge favor. the most important reason why he looked so villagery was because he was doomed to a lynching. the extension kept him from getting lynched, and we would have ended up with what we thought was a doomed villager saved by mod action
I'm sure Ong will own me when he rolls wolf but I don't get why you guys mislynch him. Two games in a row I felt he was insta-super villagery.
I prob would have stuck on Moarcowbell all game.
anonwolf is awesome
gabe's suicide was epic
we should anon more often
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Originally Posted by ducksucks
I regretted that whole episode but since I fucked up I felt I couldn't just let it go through. Plus it was w/w wagons ... didn't think there was any way a third wagon could take off but oh well.
Gabe made one comment in the dead thread
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baud mods like he plays
nameless dead
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/CLvZHGJgZcad
Gator's purgatory
http://www.quicktopic.com/cgi-bin/po...d=ZxA5TQ5SRyji
ong gets labeled wolf because he does wolfy things then says he doesn't care. the only way i see that we could not lynch him when he's villager is if we figured out how his flippant, hyper wolfy behavior as a villager is different than his flippant, hyper wolfy behavior as a wolf
honestly the only explanation i have for him being a villager this game is that he's too wolfy. all the shit he has done this game that people call villagery is stuff he does as a wolf too
lol agua was a wolf? are you fucking kidding me? that happens like one in a hundred games. when was the last time the only major wagons on d1 were two largely absent wolves competing for top spot?
sometimes i feel like this game is completely random
Because all the ducks were villagers, Gabe takes a somewhat risky line on D1 of "lynch all the ducks." I mean it's actually somewhat reasonable but he got called out right away for it. This was like the start to the deluge of bad things happening for the wolves.
I feel like he has gotten away with wolfier things in the past because he's Gabe. I'm not sure he was trying to pull a noob persona or what...there were a couple times where I thought his posting was extraordinarily, uniquely Gabe-like but I knew his Id.
lol wuf
different link for wolf den? that one sends me to just one page with no option to get all pages
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Originally Posted by ducksucks
after i'm gone, the remaining villagers were almost entirely solidly villa
wuf not as smart as i amQuote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
you know the whole time i was worried that agua was indeed a wolf, because ive yet to play a game where the top several most likely and logical outcomes are the actual outcomes. it's always some major aberrationQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
i think my wolf game and my villager game is radically differentQuote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
I think my reads on Ong are something I will keep to myself. I haven't yet played with him where he was wolfin' but I suspect I will be able to tell.
nigga i actually thought to do that, just didn't wanna. not sure whyQuote:
Originally Posted by duck
i know you think that, but i dont think that. the only thing ive seen you do differently as a wolf is assume you're a goner then give up and succumb to a lynchingQuote:
Originally Posted by duck
We've been instructed in the Dead Thread that the game is over and it's okay to rejoin the thread.
I thoroughly enjoyed the anon format much more than I thought I would... it certainly made things interesting.
Thanks to BID & DIB for doing a great job modding the match and congratulations to the Village!
-dhubermex/moarcowbell
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Originally Posted by ducksucks
Don't take this the wrong way. It's awesome to have perfect info.
Most of the time this game, I thought, "jesus the wolves are just cooked." And 4-5 times you would say something that could give them a spark of hope. I think Gaston had 1 episode of this as well, with Duck.
every time you scaled back your thinking you were getting closer to the mark.
We should have played it out to see how far Agua could go.
Anyone argue with Taint for MVP?
Gator gets 1 guess on his identity.
agua was gonna get lynched first out of the three of us lol
cmon man mine and wuf's reactions to the claims are village as fuck
it was clear to me that wuf was fistpumping because he thought me and pelion were wolves
that's obviously not a wolf reaction
and i'm duck, and ducks don't get lynched
I thought Taint was keith.
no, ok 2 guesses.
So, duck was bullshiting stuff against me, because he thought my alterego would know his game better after a year away from ftr.
Way to screw me over duck
The irony is that this is by far the best I've played. By a lot. Just like with poker, results don't matter in WW, but theory. If in the next game, we're in the exact same spot, I would make the exact same points, and we would likely be in the 99% of the time that those points about Gravy/Agua were correct. This is the first game we've had in years where the players in the Gravy/Agua situation have been wolvesQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
anyway nighty night
thanks for modding baudib and drew, it's been a fun and interesting game
modkills were funny as shit
i wasn't bullshitting, i thought you were wolfy as fuckQuote:
Originally Posted by Gaston
got no clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
here's my thought process...
gaston is obviously jkds
wft why is jkds not looking for reasons i'm a villager
jkds would try to balance that shit out because jkds likes owning ongbonga
god i must have dropped six million villager hints
why isn't jkds looking for them
oooh i'm having a duck brainwave
wait for it
yup
gaston is a wolf
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
My guess on Taint is that he's GrayFoxxxx. It was when he directly told me to "read the fucking thread" that I assumed he was strong Villager, had likely deciphered something and worth a night move.
Identities
Spoiler:
Quadrospazz = Hoopy
Duck = Ong
Ducksucks = Wufwugy
Gaston = JKDS
Taint = Luco
Shoryuken = Rong
Ciggie = Rilla
DarkWingDuck = Grayfoxxx
Moarcowbell = dhuber
Lynchpelion = Gator
AznChicks = Your Mom
Buck Nekid = Keybored
Aguapurificada = Eric
Gravyhog = Gabe
Alargeprimate = Galapagos
I actually somewhat agree with you...as hilarious as it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
I think the actual wolves were by far the wolfiest either in their logic, lack of content or voting patterns. There were a couple of villagers with wolfy voting patterns as well, but their posting was basically pristine. Any reasons you actually had to lynch Shoryuken or to vig Moarcowbell could easily be applied to Agua, who looked as if he was never going to make a pro-village post.
I thought Pelion actually did a perfectly fine job of wolfin' but he was drawing dead after EOD1.
I'm back bitches!!
how did the game go? Who won? Bigred?
all of our moms won!!
yessssssss i was right about cig being rilla. wooooooo. spotted that shit immediately
fucking luco. he's always been good tho so it shouldnt be a surprise
rong is the honorary bugrud
im glad to see gray and keybored play. surprised to see galapogos play. the last time he did that he afk'd harder than kiwimark
Epic Dead Thread too.
I notice Keybored hasn't been back since. WW can be an emotional game and I understand how easy it is for something to come off as personal even when it isn't.
For what it's worth, from experience I can attest that modding a match is a LOT of work and the load can sneak up on a mod at any moment. Props to BID/DIB for doing the great job they did. My attitude toward a successful WW match is that the mod's mod & the player's play. It's less complicated that way and we all have to do our part to let the mod(s) make decisions that they deem necessary, as they're the only ones dealing with complete information (aside from Luco apparently).
Hopefully we can do this soon again. Keybored... I want you back whenever you're ready. You're an obvious valuable poster who enjoys being here... who knows, next time you might mod. I'd offer to temporarily change DIB's avatar to a memorable Dallas Cowboys moment, but unfortunately I'd have to go back two decades to do so.
Anyway, we have a close-knit group here at FTR. I'm just learning the ropes myself, but there's definitely something special here with our vets and contributions from many who are willing to take the time to chime-in on any given topic. Hug it out?
yeah Keybored, come back. I'll probably not be modding again in the near future
-- While I think it was justified given some sort of precedence, having the angel/wolves' target revealed, thus confirming a villager, is such a game-breaking occurrence I think we should just not reveal in the future. In this case, with the angel also dying, the wolves would theoretically still have a slight chance of winning. Oftentimes, the power of specials is not in what they do but in being able to claim.
-- I'm still unsure on whether or not night chatter is better for one side or not,but it is definitely fun for the game. I guess that's up to each individual mod.
i challenge the next group of wolves to pull off a w/w pissing match a la Gaston/Duck or Wuf/Baud from last game. Seems these things are always V/V
They almost always are. But its really hard for the two involved to see it, and its harder when theyre leveling themselves based on each others rep. (Ya, i did it too ong lol)
BTW, I thought this was a fun game. I felt like the modkilling was very unforgiving, however, it was also necessary to give the wolves a chance here. It made the game fun, in all honesty. I mean, lets get real...this is an anon game where everyone is fooling around; fuck it if the mod cant join in the shenanigans.
Also, I felt like ppl had some good strategies to disguise themselves. I cant help myself but to post a billion times, and quintuple post at that. But bravo to those that were successfully sneaky :)
Taint was prob mvp villager. Gator was mvp overall tho i think.
Haha... I'd like to see triple action between wuf/Ong/baudib in this scenario. Would make for a very entertaining match!Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
be honest, did anyone ID me?
JKDS hope you are back for good.
Taint, no one got you correct AFAIK. In my brief stint I thought you might have been Rilla -- you had that pure no b.s. tone.
I didn't think I would be modkilled but I agreed with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
The way that the Drew slip up went down...well, you could see that I was obviously a lock villager. And your reaction to it seemed super villager...like I was 99% you were villager (up from say 85% before that). So it was ultimately good for balance.
Yeah, that was fun. Sorry to the other wolves, this was only my second time playing the game and I've been a wolf both times. Still, it is starting to make more sense - something new is learned each time.
post-game note:
as far as I could tell, Quad didn't leave any sort of clue as to his n1 lookup. My recollection was that he left a totally vague read on DWD.
I guess he wasn't a likely candidate to be eaten, and I think his overall plan to stay hidden was very good. But he could have been shot by the vig on n2.
What were your thoughts on that, Quad?
Oh, and if that wasn't clear then I'll say it differently: I officially concede as the last wolf
From dead thread:
"The wolves are complaining that I revealed their target. But I am pretty sure that the angel protected player has been revealed before. Thoughts on this?"
I wouldn't have revealed, simply because things were already stacked against the wolfies at that point.
Gator what made you think I was seer? I thought I dropped a couple of deliberate crumbs but did you spot them? (mentioning the special roles early, also steering towards you and quadro but not pushing you directly)
Those D2 late votes from cigbutt and agua were wolfy as fuck (assuming lynchpelion was a wolf). But I would still have lynched cig first 11 times out of 10, I knew he was rilla and rilla going quiet in mid-late game is a massive wolf tell
Rilla, it was the use of 'word-vomit' that gave you away...
Thanks a bunch for the save man! Your posts were so neat and tidy that it was making me nervous, I basically had the 2 wolves in pelion, cowbell, cig, agua by that point and you were #2Quote:
Originally Posted by moarcowbell
Yeah you were rock solid this game wuf, I don't think I've ever agreed with you so much. When have we ever lined up two wolves like that D1?Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
I hope you draw villager next time Eric you poor bastardQuote:
Originally Posted by aguapurificada
Awesome, I had you ID'd as hoopy and as villager but tried not to give it away too much in case you were special.Quote:
Originally Posted by quadrospazz
All that 'exactly one wolf in quad / pelion' stuff was basically me trying to get pelion lynched, you came out strong on D2 imo
Eric: It is a big problem that you have never experienced the game as a villager, so you don't know how to replicate that as a wolf. What I tried to do as a wolf, and I think if you check the last game, what Scourrge did, was to play up the "hey i'm new not sure how helpful this is, but this is how I see it..."
If you then just make comments that come across as your reads on the situation "I think Taint is a definitely a villager" "not sure what to make of what Gravy said here..." and elaborate a bit it will go a long way. Even saying simple basic stuff like, "I'm a villager" "we need to focus on players X, Y and Z" will reassure people a bit.
the problem that wolves face, and wolfin' is definitely harder than villaging, although, in my case, I probably spew way too much as a villager...is that you're not looking to "solve" the game, the way villagers are. And, you are lying. It's hard to fake a "game-solving" mentality (wolves tend to look opportunistic/agenda-driven) and it is difficult for most people to lie.
In games I've played, here and elsewhere, I've been a wolf quite a bit and I've been able to manage a couple of super villagery posts as a wolf....as a villager I come across as erratic. This probably says something weird about my personality.
Rilla's acerbic persona was getting on peoples tits this game but poor keybored took it to heart. I also hope he plays againQuote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
OH! Thanks to baudib and drew for modding what must have been a very tricky game to mod. Drew, how's the head?
D1 was like textbook village play (if you ignore whatever the fuck I did). So many people came out super strong with their game-solving faces on. Total turnaround from last game, which may be due in large part to me being largely absent and having you and JKDS and Gala on the village.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
I thought everyone on the village made solid contributions that day, maybe Ong being the best other than his tiny slip-up on backing off Gravy. But he really did hone right on on Gravy at the start.
Baudib you have a tricky style, it reminds me of this scene from me myself and irene
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/185...nd-irene-o.gif
Don't change though, shit's awesome. I wish you were around to see the hulkamania style wuf, he was the best.persona.ever.
Yeah I couldn't see a way to hint at DarkWingDuck being a villager because of how little he'd given away. Any sudden switch of view might look specially. So I gambled on being alive for the next next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Vig shot was a risk, thought duck was a more likely target unless he happened to be the vig (bye bye me).
Heh I thought it was pretty obvious who I was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
When ong came after me on D2 I knew that I'd have to start participating more or be lynched, him pointing out that I never mentioned gravy had me all "I don't like where this is going".
This is the best growl on growl I've seen: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es-196990.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
It was
Spoiler:gabe and keith d1 and it was kinda an accident
Yeah, sorry about that Keybored. My thinking was that if I put little barbs in every post and tried to make every topic heated and consequential it would be that much more taxing for the wolves to participate and easier for me to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
If you've read A Song of Ice and Fire there's a quote when talking about Tywin Lannister where one guy who failed to capture a rebel leader hidden in a town said something like, "Not even Tywin Lannister himself could have got him." "No, Tywin would have burned down the whole city." I was trying to Tywin Lannister it.
rilla's method was a little bit of a shock... i think because it's anon then it's very difficult to know if it's someone trying to be funny, a strategy, or just someone being an arsehole
it did occur to me that ciggie was vig, i figured it's difficult for a non-vig to be that abrasive
i don't think it's a great method though because it didn't take long before he kind of got brushed to one side... he's town, who gives a fuck... he became isolated and as such his strategy to try and get reads off people backfired
still, i found him amusing
I really love Rilla's style in every game I've seen TBH, I don't think I could ever do it but he's someone I always want on my team.
oh yeah the confirmation of the angel save - that was probably a mistake
i mean there's nothing wrong with it, but you must have known that doing that would lock the game for the village
in the interests of keeping the game alive, i'd default to less information on this occasion, even if i noted in my game set up file that i was going to explain night actions
the precedent hadn't been set and you could've just said wolf kill failed, without explaining who and why
still, i think a wolf team of pelion and agua were fucked