DOJ Werewolf

HAHAHAHA

<3 DTB

Funny stuff.

Lawyer DTB,

@TLR how does my last comment make me suspicious, if that was my only comment about DTB maybe, but i voted for DTB before he even fake outed himself, i think if you look back on my posts it'll look less like a level, i went after DTB pretty hard and tried to get the BW going once again after it died off, all before him claiming to be the angel.

yea and me and TLR have done things like that before as wolves to provide ourselves with cover ldo so it does not vindicate you imo. That being said i have you in my villager camp for the time being.

also A++ Benny

Good work benny, I was hoping you'd do that, although I think you should have let it continue a bit longer but can see why you didn't.

Here's a thought, who did thr wolves attempt to kill? I can see two possible theories here.

1. They hoped you wouldn't look up banana, knew the angel would protect you, therefore sacrificed a kill in the hope of getting the village to believe banana is the angel.

2. They tried to kill someone else and accidentally hit the real angel who was protecting himself, which would mean they know who the angel is. They could have done this knowing it would neither confirm or prove against dtbs claims.

No time to break this down any further as at work and typing on my phone is painfully slow. but think it through and see where it takes you

Good work benny, I was hoping you'd do that, although I think you should have let it continue a bit longer but can see why you didn't.

Here's a thought, who did thr wolves attempt to kill? I can see two possible theories here.

1. They hoped you wouldn't look up banana, knew the angel would protect you, therefore sacrificed a kill in the hope of getting the village to believe banana is the angel.

2. They tried to kill someone else and accidentally hit the real angel who was protecting himself, which would mean they know who the angel is. They could have done this knowing it would neither confirm or prove against dtbs claims.

No time to break this down any further as at work and typing on my phone is painfully slow. but think it through and see where it takes you

I need to reread the thread, nice work so far Benny.

lawyer DTB

nice work BarneyMagrue.

I was pretty sure DTB wasn't the Angel. So nice work Mr Angel as well.

Lawyer DTB

ez game

Lawyer DTB

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Originally Posted by BooG690

This post seems very Wufwugy-esque. This plus Wuf's post in the dead thread...

...worries me that Wuf may still be taking part in their den. Can we get confirmation that this is not the case?

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This is why players should ignore the dead thread. It's noise until otherwise noted. And if otherwise noted, my shitstorm will vengeful.

I think we'd be well placed going for TLR or flomo today. We don't really need to lynch DTB. It's a slam dunk wolf, but it doesn't hurt anyone to just completely ignore every post he makes from here on out and still give ourselves the day. I think we shouldn't just rush headlong through the lynch before considering some pressure on some others.

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Originally Posted by DanAronG

Here's a thought, who did thr wolves attempt to kill? I can see two possible theories here.

1. They hoped you wouldn't look up banana, knew the angel would protect you, therefore sacrificed a kill in the hope of getting the village to believe banana is the angel.

2. They tried to kill someone else and accidentally hit the real angel who was protecting himself, which would mean they know who the angel is. They could have done this knowing it would neither confirm or prove against dtbs claims.

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I agree and lean toward 1. DTB's posts today are all a smokescreen. For now, we need to go with the information and assume philly and fulksy are villagers.

And wolves, I c wat u r doin, I see what you're setting up. It won't work.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I think we'd be well placed going for TLR or flomo today. We don't really need to lynch DTB. It's a slam dunk wolf, but it doesn't hurt anyone to just completely ignore every post he makes from here on out and still give ourselves the day. I think we shouldn't just rush headlong through the lynch before considering some pressure on some others.

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Too late. He has the right number. But that's fine. Get through the day, I get another lookup and we can start using logic instead of soulreads (which I am, unfortunately, out of).

But vig, do shoot flomo, pls.

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

Agree with fulksy.

My top choices atm are hoopy and flomo. I find the timing of DTB's outing and flomo's rescind (after barely posting at all) very suspicious.

Still not sold on Fulksy but he is looking more villager than wolf lately

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Gator is all over the place and I'm starting to get suspicious of him as per usual. Flomo should be shot by the vig if we think he's a wolf since lynching him is kinda pointless (no info).

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Originally Posted by DropTheBanana

I really want to take a closer look at Wilbur, Dan, and Hoopy since they caught my eye as suspicious after I was outed.

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I think the wolves are hoping we level ourselves here. Dan and Willbur look like villagers to me.

Rilla, posts 509 & 511. Why say it bit not act on it.

No reason to after Benny posted. And since the day was over before I posted.

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Originally Posted by HoopyDude

Flomo should be shot by the vig if we think he's a wolf since lynching him is kinda pointless (no info).

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Flomo should be shot by the vig even if some of us think he is a villager. He's not an asset and the certainty of knowing what he is far outweighs his contributions to the game so far. Shoot the spectre.

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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

But vig, do shoot flomo, pls.

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This absolutely. As I was reading through the time period when DTB claimed to be the angel I was pretty sure he would be a wolf as well based on post comments and timing.

Benny or Rilla, take a look and see if you notice anything.

Okay a couple of thoughts before the end of the day.

1. Wtf at the wolves decision to nom Benny. I'd assume this is the way things went down since the chances of the wolves randomly hitting the angel and of the angel also protecting himself are pretty damn low. I'm tempted to assume that the wolves don't contain vets or good players because this just seems like a terrible move to me and I don't see a good player allowing it.

2. Fulsky's post about DTB at the start of today is really bothering me. Seems so overstressed and like a deliberate attempt to gain cover when DTB is caught. I think he's my top suspect right now. I can see wuf saying what he said about him on day 1 when they're both wolves sometimes and the way he's been acting just makes him seem so wolfy to me that even if Wuf only does that like 30% of the time when fulsky's a wolf, he's still a wolf pretty often here.

Noone else is looking overly wolfy to me at this point.

Final Player Votes:

Benny 1
DTB 9

Previously on DOJ Werewolf, the fed was cursing the defense attorney...

"God dammit," the fed screamed, "this can not get any worse right now..."

The fed also happened to be logged into Stars browsing for US players when a message pops up:

LOLOL KNOCK KNOCK

<3 Lee Jones


Right as the Fed reads the message, a strong, fit Asian by the name of Bikes kicks down the door and lawyers rush in drowning DTB, a fed, in a ton of lawsuits!

LITIGATED



12 players with manies in their accounts:


a500lbgorilla
HoopyDude
Philly and the Phanatics
Flomo
Carroters
Boog690
GatorJH
DanAronG
BennyLaRue
TLR
Willburforce
Fulksy


Frozen Accounts:
Labourhater, a normal poker player, was lawyered on Day 1
Ongbonga, a normal poker player, had account frozen on Night 1
Wufwugy, a Fed, got lawyered on Day 2
Jackvance, a normal poker player, had account frozen on Night 2
Roid_Rage, a normal poker player, was tweeted on Night 2
SDM, a normal poker player, was lawyered on Day 3
Night 3 was very quiet.
DropTheBanana, a Fed, got lawyered on Day 4

7 Players
Lee Jones
Defense Attorney
Tom Dwan
2 Feds

It's Night 4! Specials please PM me by Noon EST, Sunday May 8

"Check this out," Fulksy says reading out Tom Dwan's latest Tweet. "Flomo is a Fed! I knew it all along!"

Fulksy runs out of his apartment and sprints towards Flomo's house. He's joined by 500 other angry poker players. The door is kicked down and the group finds Flomo and his 4 friends drinking really nice wine and eating really nice food. They didn't, again, invite Bigred.

"Typical Feds," Fulksy screams, "eating nice food and wine with our hard earned, confiscated poker money! Get him!" The crowd rushes flomo and beats him. After searching all his stuff they figure out that Flomo was just a poker player.

"My bad," says Fulksy, "let me take you to the hospital."

Fulksy props Flomo over his shoulder and starts leading him out of Flomo's house towards the hospital.

A van pulls up besides them, the passenger (in a really nice suit) says, "Hey, is he alright? He needs help! Quick, get in the van. We'll take you to the hospital.

"Thanks, so much," Fulksy says and helps Flomo into the van. As they pull away Fulksy notices they're heading in the opposite direction of the hospital. "Guys," he says, "the hospital is the other way."

"I know," the passenger says smiling. "Criminal poker players like you only belong in one place...and that's jail."

Fulksy and Flomo were both regular poker players



10 players with manies in their accounts:


a500lbgorilla
HoopyDude
Philly and the Phanatics
Carroters
Boog690
GatorJH
DanAronG
BennyLaRue
TLR
Willburforce


Frozen Accounts:
Labourhater, a normal poker player, was lawyered on Day 1
Ongbonga, a normal poker player, had account frozen on Night 1
Wufwugy, a Fed, got lawyered on Day 2
Jackvance, a normal poker player, had account frozen on Night 2
Roid_Rage, a normal poker player, was tweeted on Night 2
SDM, a normal poker player, was lawyered on Day 3
Night 3 was very quiet.
DropTheBanana, a Fed, got lawyered on Day 4
Fulksy, a regular poker player, was lawyered on Night 4.
Flomo, a regular poker player, was tweeted on Night 4.

5 Players
Lee Jones
Defense Attorney
Tom Dwan
2 Feds

It's Day 4! 6 votes needed to lawyer. Majority leader lawyered at Noon EST Wednesday, May 11,

interesting. I think the wolves went for fulksy for 2 reasons.

1. he def seemed like the real angel after being all "well idk if we can trust DTB still"....and

2. since they killed OngBonga first, they have made it clear that they are going to leave good players alive (rilla/gator/tlr), im sure they had planned on leaving JV alive but after he soul read wuf on day 2 they shit themselves.

i think if we are going to let rilla/gator/tlr survive we are going to need a lot more contribution from them

Well, I have a thick list of villagers and only 3 people seem to omit themselves from it: TLR, Gator and Hoopy - in order of preference.

I don't necessarily think that they're keeping the good players alive for any reason other than the priority is angel hunting. I think that's the easiest explanation for striking Boog then fulksy.

So TLR and Gator aren't on my list by virtue of still being alive, but from the sense that everyone else has distinguished themselves as villagers in my eyes.

I dunno why I said Boog when I meant Benny.

yea i feel ya, idk why they would go for ong then, he didnt seem like a special to me at all....and he was going after TLR a lot so i guess at this point.- lynch tlr

Alright, we'll get a little pressure going on TLR.

lawyer TLR

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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

yea i feel ya, idk why they would go for ong then, he didnt seem like a special to me at all....and he was going after TLR a lot so i guess at this point.- lynch tlr

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Philly, you know my game better then that, I would not go for such a level 0 move on day 1.
I had a wierd feeling from Philly the entire game, I also find it very strange that he bolded a vote before hearing what the seer has to say.

I am pretty confused at this game so far, I think that rilla is a villager, and I think that Philly and Boog are on my top suspect list, and WBF is also a very possible wolf.

I will reread this thread later today, not going to bold anyone until the seer gives some info

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Alright, we'll get a little pressure going on TLR.

lawyer TLR

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Pretty surprised by you as well Rilla, given that Benny was willing to bold me two days ago dont you think there is a decent chance that he has looked me up ? Wouldnt it be worthwhile to hear what he has to say ?

My ear is always open to Benny, but 2 votes gets you talking.

ill rescind and wait for benny rescind tlr since there are only 6 votes needed to hang.

Really surprised the wolves nommed fulksy (just realised his name is fulksy not fulsky, it only took playing like 3 games of WW with the guy) They must have been under the impression his post that I interpreted as very wolfy must have been that of the angel, knowing he wasn't one of them. I was going to come after him pretty hard aswell today.

I agree with Rilla and Philly so far today. Gator and TLR are my main suspects.

TLR is by far out in front though and his random decision to now cast suspicion on philly who's been perceived as a villager by almost everyone all game seems strange. Yeah philly is capable of being a hidden dangerous wolf as we saw 2 games ago, but shit this time it seems even less likely. If villagers start dropping like flies and philly stays un touched i'll be become wary and reassess but for now I have to go with my instinct and put TLR as my most likely wolf. The timing of now suddenly deciding to claim he's found philly suspicious all game seems really odd and it seems like this to me:

TLR is looking around him thinking: shit...there are a hell of a lot of people who look really villagery here and not many suspects at all. I'm going to have to start pointing fingers and building up other suspects pronto if I'm going to stave off heat today.

I wont bold until Benny comes on the scene, but unless shit changes that's my current take on things.

Gator is probably my next suspect. He and rilla have coasted by so far facing very little scrutiny. I feel they'll both be look up priorities though so will wait for information from benny on these two. Gator seems wolfier than Rilla right now and Rilla seems to have the same line of thought as me in terms of who are wovles and who aren't so I think it's TLR followed by Gator right now.

I'm not getting a wolfy vibe from Wilbur since two games ago he also skated along like this as a villager doing pretty much nothing of note. I haven't seen one post that seems out of place with this, but I'm not as sure on him as I am others who I beleive to be villagers.

Do nothing for now pls...can't read thread for 5 hrs,

Right I'll post my list so far. I'm struggling with where to put Willbur because I always think he's Wolfy but end up being wrong. If I had to swap him with someone it would probably be BooG/rilla.

Villagers
Benny - seer
Hoopy
rilla
Dan
philly
Carrotz
BooG

Rest
Gator
TLR
Willburforce

hoopy just moved up my suspect list after that whack list imo

I reread most of this thread (up to the beginning of day 4)
my top suspect after reading this thread is that Dan is a wolf, carroters is most likely a villager, I think that Rilla and Hoopy are probably villagers as well

I'll have a read over later, busy losing KK 11x in a row, sigh.

Want to see what Benny has to say, I have no clue tbh.

shocked that flomo wasn't a lawyer. Other than Boog I am not sure who I favor as even TLR is seeming villagery right now.

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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

hoopy just moved up my suspect list after that whack list imo

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Why, what do you find whack about it?

@ TLR: Could you give an explanation as to why you now find Dan wolfy all of a sudden. Seems like he's been in everyone's villager camp for almost the entire game.

idk the fact that everyone before him came in and said the exact same thing basically (tlr said gator/wbf....you said gator/tlr....rilla said gator/tlr....and those are the 3 wolves he lists)...theres a couple of times where hoopys just chiming in and agreeing w/ whoever and doesnt seem like hes putting any original content into the game. Seems too convenient.

looks like tlr said me/boog/wbf not gator, sorry...but i had mentioned gator/tlr (and rilla) in the very first post of the day as well.

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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

idk the fact that everyone before him came in and said the exact same thing basically (tlr said gator/wbf....you said gator/tlr....rilla said gator/tlr....and those are the 3 wolves he lists)...theres a couple of times where hoopys just chiming in and agreeing w/ whoever and doesnt seem like hes putting any original content into the game. Seems too convenient.

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True dat, I'm unsure about Hoopy. Think a thorough examination of all his posts is in order.

My lookup isn't terribly useful at this point, except to add a 2nd live villager to my list of confirmed villagers. Thank you, Tom Dwan, for tweeting flomo. This will focus the discussion for today.

I'd like to hear a lot more from Gator today, primarily because, like dead wolf DTB, he was online for 30 minutes after I revealed on wufwugy and didn't vote, didn't even post.

I'm not seeing a lot of logic itt. It's basically a bunch of attempts at soulreads. We have 4 days of info...use it, mfers. I'm sunburned. You'll get more out of tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Carroters

@ TLR: Could you give an explanation as to why you now find Dan wolfy all of a sudden. Seems like he's been in everyone's villager camp for almost the entire game.

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It is a bunch of little things that all add up together

post #172 for example

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Originally Posted by DanAronG

This is the one problem with werewolf, as a villager in particular, sometimes self interest has little to do with what's in the best interests of your team. This is why I think SDM should still be lnched. If he is claiming to be the seer when in fact he is a reg villager, he is just completely fucking over his team, and as he has already done it once, I suggest we lynch him on principle, and if he is either a wolf or the seer, then that's fine, but if he is a reg villlager, then bring out the banhammer!

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The use of the word 'his team' instead uf us, the village or something similar may be a slip

Post #263 by Wuf

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

Finally, JV bolding me out of the blue makes me think he's playing on a curiously high amount of suspicions thrown at me. Do we have a possible wolf team including JV, Dan, and Carroters?

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We know Wuf is a wolf, very often when a wolf posts a list of names one of them is a wolf, we know JV is not

#307

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Originally Posted by DanAronG

hmmmm, I'm not entirely convinced by your theory Benny, for the simple fact that I saw your post within 10 minutes of you posting it, and then came online about 10 times over the next hour (on my phone though so not sure if it shows up) to see if Wuf had anything to say before posting myself, which he evidently didn't. I was also on the Boog lynch, so that same argument could be used against me and would be completely wrong. Plus it removes all discussion and therefore information from the day, and has taken off pretty dam quickly too.

That said I don't hate a DTB lnch, just think it's not the best reasoning I've ever seen and has taken off pretty rapidly.

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Seems a bit wolfy to me

#368

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A few thoughts:

SDM's logic is continually off, just reading his last few posts I could pick apart so muuch as complete bullshit but I can't be assed. I don't understand how anyone can say that his stupid actions make him a villager. I agree they are not the telltail signs of a wolf, but they are by no means the actions of a villager either. I would still very much like to lynch him. Also everyone has an opinion on him which wikl help in terms of info, but I imagine anyone will be able to dismiss being wrong as it's sdm.

Flomo: WTF! Shoot that guy for non participation. I hate no shows in this game for obv reasons.

Boog: seems to have gone missing, I would quite happily lynch him for earlier actions and generally looking suspicios imo

DTB: meh, I'm not so sure, but the seer being on his back does add weight to the cause.

Overall, I'd choose Boog or SDM.

lawyer boog just to keep it open for now

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Mentions 3 people, one of them we know now is a wolf, this post mentions him as a suspect but tries to get heat on boog instead of DTB

#469 by DTB

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Originally Posted by DropTheBanana

I really want to take a closer look at Wilbur, Dan, and Hoopy since they caught my eye as suspicious after I was outed.

Gonna read through yesterday a bit closer and try to digest some things.

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again mentioning 3 names, I am pretty sure on of them is a wolf

But its more the overall feeling of his posts then a specific post that makes me suspect him

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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

I'd like to hear a lot more from Gator today, primarily because, like dead wolf DTB, he was online for 30 minutes after I revealed on wufwugy and didn't vote, didn't even post.

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This is where looking at online status at a snapshot in time doesn't work. I have FTR open a majority of the time, even when I am nowhere near my notebook.

As for hearing more from me I didn't have a ton of free time yesterday due to Mother's Day, but will have some time later tonight to review things. Just based on recollection of the last time I went through things TLR and Hoopy stood out the most then and TLR just made a post that seems suspicious to me.

He made a long post suspecting Dan and in that post quoted a Wuf post that included JV, Dan and Carroters. He made mention of wolves tending to put at least one wolf name in their lists by saying "We know Wuf is a wolf, very often when a wolf posts a list of names one of them is a wolf, we know JV is not". Carroters is also in that list so I am not sure how he can point to Dan there when two villagers are still alive.

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

This is where looking at online status at a snapshot in time doesn't work. I have FTR open a majority of the time, even when I am nowhere near my notebook.

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Not true. I'm talking about the Last Activity time listed on your individual User Profile, not the Users Online list on the home page. The Last Activity time is only updated if you've refreshed the page and it also lists the page you are currently viewing. In your case, it was this thread. This time changed multiple times between 10:36 and 11:09, meaning you were actively refreshing pages in this thread.

Your response was weak. Your contribution to date has been equally weak, basically it's been "I think flomo should die" and "OMG, I'm stunned flomo isn't a wolf". I think I'd like you to die today.

I tend to check the thread on my blackberry at times, but may not post as typing responses on it sucks. In other words I can come up for just as many reasons why me checking the thread is justified as you can for why it isn't.

If you are that convinced I am a lawyer by the timing of my activity on FTR (it's worked so well for you in the past) then feel free to kill me today. I am surprised I lasted this long anyway.

Before you decide to fast track my lynch and lose a valuable (imo) villager you may want to look closer at my contributions. I was one of the people who put major heat on DTB and although I was wrong on Flomo I most certainly wasn't the only one.

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Before you decide to fast track my lynch and lose a valuable (imo) villager you may want to look closer at my contributions. I was one of the people who put major heat on DTB and although I was wrong on Flomo I most certainly wasn't the only one.

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That's the thing, you can be a valuable villager but are not being a valuable villager in this game. You've presented very little reasoning to date. Your DTB "heat" was just parroting me and while I appreciate the support, it doesn't provide the info needed to confirm your identity. I'd very much like you to be a valuable villager and present your own ideas. Lead the way, here, valuable villager man.

Rilla, you're next.

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

I tend to check the thread on my blackberry at times, but may not post as typing responses on it sucks. In other words I can come up for just as many reasons why me checking the thread is justified as you can for why it isn't.

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Surely you can remember your reaction to me outing wufwugy though. It was only a few days ago and would have been an aha moment. Please describe what happened...were you on your notebook, your blackberry? Your story is inconsistent. What was it?

go Benny, go Benny.

I'm ready to bold Gator.

Gator's "heat" on DTB, after his fake-angel outing.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2034232

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

Shit just got very interesting. My gut feeling tells me that DTB is a wolf here WAY more often than the angel, but that story will be told soon enough.

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That's it, that's his only real mention of DTB. And, reading every one of Gator's posts, it turns out his voting history is pretty suspect. He's only voted on two of our four days...Labour on Day 1, then TLR on Day 3 switching to SDM after SDM was already dead.

I mean, is there anybody who is convinced Gator is a villager? I'd love to be wrong here.

I'm feeling it Benny. I want to hear other peoples veiws as well.

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I'd love to be wrong here.

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As hard as you are driving my lynch it doesn't sound to me like this is the case.

In fact it may be best for you to continue this hard pursuit. That way the other villagers can see how fucked up your logic can be as well so they may not blindly follow you to a wolf victory.

I say this because it happened to me the last time I was the angel. I over analyzed shit to the point where I stopped looking at obvious signs and ended up costing the village a victory. Hopefully you (our only confirmed villager at this point) won't make the same mistake.

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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Your DTB "heat" was just parroting me and while I appreciate the support, it doesn't provide the info needed to confirm your identity.

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Really? Can you find a post where I say "I'm with Benny on this one", because I am struggling to find instances where I call you the soulreader of the game (although you have been pretty solid to date as a seer so don't get to bent out of shape by that comment). Below is the post I made on both DTB and SDM. Looks to me like I nailed both of them.

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

just busy, but I have been reading through things and promise to take a detailed look through tonight.

Initial thoughts are that I agree completely with Carroters on DTB and he is my top suspect followed pretty closely by Willbur and TLR.

I still just don't see SDM ever being a wolf as I can't put together a wolf strategy for coming out as a "fake seer'.

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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Surely you can remember your reaction to me outing wufwugy though. It was only a few days ago and would have been an aha moment. Please describe what happened...were you on your notebook, your blackberry? Your story is inconsistent. What was it?

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I have no idea what you are talking about here. Can you point me to the reaction you are talking about?

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Originally Posted by WillburForce

I'm feeling it Benny. I want to hear other peoples veiws as well.

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Nice work willbur. Very solid analysis indeed.

Benny, I'm not sure what to think about your "he kept refreshing the thread" argument. Firstly, I think it's bullshit that we can bring that into the game since it seems pretty dirty, although I guess there's no way around it since it's information that can't be hidden so alls fair in war etc. That doesn't mean I'm not happy if it catches us another wolf either and it seemed to work last time (although I still don't think it was the strongest argument in the world vs DTB since why the hell would a wolf wait and wait and bold last when wuf was obviously like gonna die 99.99% of the time, pretty bad by DTB imo)

This time it's obviously different. Gator was around and just did nothing, seems a villager gator is likely to say something at least, but then again, Gator's not a bad player surely he knows Wuf's gonna die, no? If he's a lurking wolf is he not more likely to stick in a vote for this reason, to blend in if you like?

Maybe I'm off here in my logic. I know that I've been getting a wolfy vibe from Gator all game and agree with you that he hasn't helped the village at all and that his voting patterns have been whack and out of sync with him being a villager. The only guy I perhaps marginally prefer is TLR and you've discouraged that wagon and pushed this one instead.

So overall I think the best thing to do right now must be Lawyer Gator

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Originally Posted by Carroters

The only guy I perhaps marginally prefer is TLR and you've discouraged that wagon and pushed this one instead.

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We're getting useful posts out of TLR. He is providing tons more information than Gator and nothing terribly incriminating so far. I'd rather systematically rid of us people not providing infomation before we need to start figuring out whether the information guys like TLR are providing is good or not. Of course, he hasn't cleared himself either, but as least he's giving us chances to catch him in a slip-up.

This is why I'm concerned about rilla as well. Do we keep supposed "good villagers" around if they aren't actually contributing information in this game?

Fyi will be able to read and post in approx 4 hrs

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

I have no idea what you are talking about here. Can you point me to the reaction you are talking about?

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This post:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2033714

I outed wufwugy. I assert you saw it and didn't respond. Why? You started by saying it was maybe because your Notebook was open to FTR but you didn't actually see it, then you said you were on your blackberry but the keys are tiny. Which was it? Why didn't you vote for wufwugy?

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go Benny, go Benny.

I'm ready to bold Gator.

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Originally Posted by WillburForce

I'm feeling it Benny. I want to hear other peoples veiws as well.

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This makes me like a Willbur lynch a lot more, he's being quiet and tagging along with Benny and that's the safe option for wolves right now.

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Originally Posted by HoopyDude

This makes me like a Willbur lynch a lot more, he's being quiet and tagging along with Benny and that's the safe option for wolves right now.

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I think there is a decent chance WBF is a wolf; I still prefer a dan lynch
lawyer dan

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

This is where looking at online status at a snapshot in time doesn't work. I have FTR open a majority of the time, even when I am nowhere near my notebook.

As for hearing more from me I didn't have a ton of free time yesterday due to Mother's Day, but will have some time later tonight to review things. Just based on recollection of the last time I went through things TLR and Hoopy stood out the most then and TLR just made a post that seems suspicious to me.

He made a long post suspecting Dan and in that post quoted a Wuf post that included JV, Dan and Carroters. He made mention of wolves tending to put at least one wolf name in their lists by saying "We know Wuf is a wolf, very often when a wolf posts a list of names one of them is a wolf, we know JV is not". Carroters is also in that list so I am not sure how he can point to Dan there when two villagers are still alive.

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You are grasping at straws here Gator, I already stated that I think Carroters is a villager and that I think Dan is a wolf, this is one of the reasons why I suspect Dan is a wolf, trying to turn this statement as a reason to suspect me seems like an attempt of a desperate Fed who is running out of arguements

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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

This post:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2033714

I outed wufwugy. I assert you saw it and didn't respond. Why? You started by saying it was maybe because your Notebook was open to FTR but you didn't actually see it, then you said you were on your blackberry but the keys are tiny. Which was it? Why didn't you vote for wufwugy?

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Once you have outed Wuf it was clear he is going to die, I dont see lynching or not lynching him as any evidence to being a Fed or a villager. I do think that Gator's responses are wierd and make me suspect him as a possible Fed, I still think that Dan is a better candidate to lynch

Lawyer Gator because I love Benny.

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Originally Posted by TLR

Once you have outed Wuf it was clear he is going to die, I dont see lynching or not lynching him as any evidence to being a Fed or a villager.

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I know, I agree with you. It's not evidence either way. I just don't get why Gator isn't giving a clear answer.

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Originally Posted by BooG690

Lawyer Gator because I love Benny.

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damn boog took you 2 days to say that?...but i agree with lynching gator right now, if anything he shouldnt get butt hurt and should just accept it and understand why we need to lynch him. And if anything he should provide us with as much analysis as he can for us to look at when he is dead (providing he is a villager).

I'd say it pretty obv I'm not a wolf. And I'm not being quiet at all.

@Gator - not much detailed analcysts to be done. I was saying I agree with what Benny has said. And your defence posts are pretty damn weak.

Boog popping up every now and then and just going with BW is pretty suspect.

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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

damn boog took you 2 days to say that?...but i agree with lynching gator right now, if anything he shouldnt get butt hurt and should just accept it and understand why we need to lynch him. And if anything he should provide us with as much analysis as he can for us to look at when he is dead (providing he is a villager).

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best analysis yet on why lynching me is a good idea, even though it looks more like a fed trying to subtly drive a lynch train.

As for this whole "what were you doing when wuf was dying shit" I honestly don't remember if I was on my blackberry, iPad or laptop when I checked the thread. All I remember is thinking "well that was a pretty obvious lookup", and I am pretty certain I didn't have time at that moment to check the votes and didn't want to throw out a random and minimalist post that everyone could point to later and go "look at Gator jump on this at the last minute, he must be a fed".


Let's do this, you guys go forward with your lynch on me today, find out that Benny is 0-2 on his who is refreshing the thread when line of thought so you can put that to bed and work on finding the rest of the Feds.

if I am still alive tonight I should have time to look things over in detail, but as I have already stated Boog and TLR still top my list with Willbur flying up the radar.

fwiw DTB was the one who benny said was doing the refreshing thing, so obv its 1/1 .....

and this reminds me of the Wire game where you were some lone wolf who had to get recruited in order to know who your team was, and you got caught by some equally gay thing that turned out to be a coincidence.

I think warpe posted a list of people who were all online at a certain time and figured they had to be wolves conversing, you were on the list even though you weren't yet a wolf who could converse, so he kind of hit jackpot on the fact that you turned out to be a wolf.

btw if Benny isn't planning on looking me up any time soon it probably is best to go ahead and lynch me now so me being alive doesn't become a huge distraction to the village.

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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

fwiw DTB was the one who benny said was doing the refreshing thing, so obv its 1/1 .....

and this reminds me of the Wire game where you were some lone wolf who had to get recruited in order to know who your team was, and you got caught by some equally gay thing that turned out to be a coincidence.

I think warpe posted a list of people who were all online at a certain time and figured they had to be wolves conversing, you were on the list even though you weren't yet a wolf who could converse, so he kind of hit jackpot on the fact that you turned out to be a wolf.

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yea, you're right so I guess 50% isn't too bad.

And thanks for bringing up the other game. It took me quite a while to un-tilt from that freakin' coincidence.

As for this game I am just a regular villager, which I am confident you guiz will find out soon enough.

As for subtly driving your train, i said in the first post of the day that you needed to start talking more and all you did was come in with some "OMG FLOMO NO WOLF?!" line. I am more than happy to see you get lynched, i am not trying to be subtle at all. I am not a fed either. Benny has already said you are suspect no 1 for today, carrots and boog have bolded you, and wilbur seems eager to see you gone...doesnt seem like i'd have to do much driving.

Assume youre getting lynched today and get to giving us your opinion on everyone. Ask not what your village can do for you, but ask what can i do for my village. And the answer to that question is re-read the thread and give us as much insight as possible.

Philly is right. It's less about you Gator, and more about what this lynch tells us and confirming identities. I'm sorry this is annoying...I'd hate to be a victim of a systematic elimination of candidates as well. But if we win, you win! ;)

lynch gator

only need 3 more lynches, please nobody put in the kill lynch before gator has had a chance to give us all his opinions.

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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

only need 3 more lynches, please nobody put in the kill lynch before gator has had a chance to give us all his opinions.

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my biggest opinion is that lynching me is stupid at this point in the game, but that is a selfish opinion and I certainly see the other side of that.

The rest of the opinions will have to wait until later tonight when I have a chance to review things.

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hoopy just moved up my suspect list after that whack list imo

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Nothing wack about it.

I've read through up to pg7, here are a few things that have stood out to me so far.

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Originally Posted by Carroters

Right now I'm getting the feeling Benny and Ong are both villagers. Ong is chopping and changing all over the place but not in a structured wolfy way. Almost defo a villager imo. As for the rest there's little to do a proper analysis on. Still think Wuf seems pretty off his usual villager game and a few of his posts have seemed out of character.

This bugs me in particular and I don't see how someone logical would come to such a conclusion as a villager since it was one single vote and not even that much time elapsed. This post just feels like a wolf trying to assert the villagerness of someone in order to blend in as a villager, but doing it prematurely with the pre knowledge of fulsky's role.

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This was on day 1 and pretty much clears Carrotz.

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Originally Posted by DropTheBanana

This is exactly why Gator ran off with the W last game. Just because they are useful does not make them villagers nor does it guarantee that they will provide useful and accurate information.

I can't really provide a valid argument for exactly who ties in with BooG as of now, but a late day wagon that just blasts off will be very telling when the day ends.

I think the good/bad player argument is kind of ridiculous when it clouds our stream of information. Not that we'll get a lot at this point in time but I think it's a better jumping off point.

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Makes BooG less likely to be a wolf.

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Originally Posted by DanAronG

Also, as for Wuf's posts, not a single one seems like Wuf the villager to me. He and boog are my top suspects. As for Boog, none of your posts seem logical or well thought out and some are in fact detrimental to the village. Including the ones late yesterday(werewolf day) which I didn't have the chance to respond to. You are my favoured lynch based on posts and events so far. But lets see what the day brings.

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Very early to be attacking another wolf if Dan is one.

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Originally Posted by DropTheBanana

I'll admit Gator has me very paranoid after his performance last game. I REAAAALLY don't like the bolded section of this post. Even he himself stated after beasting the village last game that he couldn't believe noone questioned as to why he was still alive. Now it's almost like he's saying.

"Please let me live to the end game and please don't ask any questions as to why I'm not dead"

Besides that I have no reason to accuse him for right now (besides lingering paranoia), but Gator is good and will only make super tiny mistakes (such as the use of "a" instead of "the" in the last game that gave him away to me) if any at all and we really need to stay on our toes about reading his posts carefully.

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Possibly clears Gator somewhat, I'm not yet sold on lynching him though it's probably not a terrible idea. 30mins of inactivity isn't long enough to be sure imo. I know that I've left this thread open for 1-2 hours before while doing other stuff.

Hoopy, that probably shouldn't clear me as, if I were a fed, I probably would have told my fellow agents to make sure they gain some separation based on the last game results.

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Originally Posted by HoopyDude

I know that I've left this thread open for 1-2 hours before while doing other stuff.

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I'm not sure I made myself clear then. He didn't just have it open. He was refreshing the thread, otherwise the time stamp in his profile that denotes the last activity wouldn't have changed multiple times in those 30 mins.

The rest of your post, I'm a big fan of. Anyone who voted for wufwugy before I outed him has pretty much an auto-pass for me for now. It's possible but unlikely, on Day 2, that wuf would have thought it was a good idea for a fellow wolf to put his name forward. The other still living person who put wuf's name forward was Rilla, and it's chief reason why I've presented Gator today rather than him.

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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

. It's possible but unlikely, on Day 2, that wuf would have thought it was a good idea for a fellow wolf to put his name forward. The other still living person who put wuf's name forward was Rilla, and it's chief reason why I've presented Gator today rather than him.

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people keep saying that this would clear him, but in day 2 of the xmas ww http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1998990 i bold roid first on day 2 with a prime wagon rolling on Dan. Given roid had caught a few bolds on day 1 that was before people knew it was dranger. I could have hopped on and kept the wagon rolling but instead i tried to clear dan as a villager and create separation between me and roid. This way if roid ever gets lynched at any point in the game i can be like "i wanted roid all along."

Also in this (DOJ WW) game Dan bought up how wuf was acting sketchy right before carrots did (so more than just carrots and rilla). ...i am not saying carrots is a wolf (because clearly everyone agrees he is a villager), i am just saying that just because someone did x, it obv does not clear them, and that wolves will needlessly start to go after other wolves to instill a feeling of separation, in order to gain cover for later.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1999155
here is also day 2 of the same game, DC is the 3rd to bold me when there are other players with multiple votes (dan/jkds), he easily could have gone with a different BW but instead he opts to try and continue applying the pressure to me and actually get the BW rolling.

dc is actually the second to bold me, warpe just mentions me in the post above, no actual bold

ok dudes this may or may not be my last post of this game based on how the rest of today pans out.

If I honestly look at things right now it is pretty risky to leave me alive because a)it is obvious that Benny hasn't looked me up and b) I wouldn't recommend him stating that he would look me up tonight because the feds could counter with taking me out which ends up with a wasted lookup. So, unless everyone is comfortable with letting me live until Benny either reveals he looked me up or until he dies then it probably makes the most sense to go ahead and lynch me if the reason for lynching me is the standard "he is dangerous as a wolf" reason.

Additionally, if I really am the lynch target for today then I don't feel like there is enough value in putting "a dead man's thoughts" out on the thread. Three villagers can read a single post and come away with three different thoughts on what that post meant. The Feds, on the other hand, can take my thoughts and work them to their advantage. For example it is highly doubtful that I would conclude two specific people are Feds and would probably have up to 4 people on my suspect list. That means even if I nail both Feds in my list I have also implicated two villagers and, in reality, I am more likely to only hit one Fed and suspect 3 villagers (I have already been wrong about Labour and Flomo). I feel this would benefit the Feds more than the village.

Therefore if the village starts to head in a different direction I will absolutely post my thoughts, otherwise go ahead and lynch me so you guys can glean whatever information that gives you and move on.

Gator out (for now).

I am pretty convinced Gator is a villager based on his last post

btw Benny, I will be refreshing the thread periodically for the rest of the evening.

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

btw Benny, I will be refreshing the thread periodically for the rest of the evening.

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lol

Good. If only you would have been participating and reasoning this whole time instead of just throwing names out.

meh at this point if we leave him alive it will be a distraction, by letting him live today we are basically granting him villager status, all the wolves have to do is leave him around another day and we are all going to flip shits again. He has not been very helpful all game, and even refuses to point out if he has any 100% reads that any people are certain villagers.

lynch gator and if he turns out to be a villager then lets lynch tlr because this is exactly how he was acting towards Warpe as a wolf when the village was going to lynch him. http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2002952 is where warpe (villager) clears TLR (wolf) because TLR went out of his way to say that warpe was villagery when he could have let him die.

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Originally Posted by TLR

I am pretty convinced Gator is a villager based on his last post

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I'm not sure it provided any information. If Gator is a wolf, he can't actually help his team other than to deny, deny, deny and delay his lynch.

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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

That's the thing, you can be a valuable villager but are not being a valuable villager in this game. You've presented very little reasoning to date. Your DTB "heat" was just parroting me and while I appreciate the support, it doesn't provide the info needed to confirm your identity. I'd very much like you to be a valuable villager and present your own ideas. Lead the way, here, valuable villager man.

Rilla, you're next.

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To what? Lead the village? I haven't really done anything aside from "soulreading". Trying to pull logic together in these games is wholly an exercise in bringing confidence from others to support your gut choices. For me to step in and try to lead the village as I could would be misplaced when you're clearly at the helm taking that job away from me.

That's just how it is this game.

I could try to put out more logical stuff but it would just be about trying to convince you guys that I like the direction that my gut swings me. I mean, you can put together a furiously good argument when you know DTB is a wolf, but when you're guessing just like me, all you're doing is trying to curry favor to support your choices.

I posted a link in the commune about something similar. This is why werewolf is such a fun game, it exposes so much about the nature of reason.

But as far as your choices are concerned, I think they're an excellent direction. If someone strikes me as really worth the attention, I might offer you a new direction but I'm not going to do it if I can trust you to do it while holding more information.

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Originally Posted by WillburForce

go Benny, go Benny.

I'm ready to bold Gator.

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Originally Posted by WillburForce

I'm feeling it Benny. I want to hear other peoples veiws as well.

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LOL see?

Rilla, I was just suggesting I'd like to see more from you. Agree, disagree, offer new ideas, whatever.

The idea that a villager can confirm himself as a villager while only posting once a day is ridiculous but is something some here seem to subscribe by.

Solid points from everyone.

I'm ok with lawyering Gator at this point.

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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Rilla, I was just suggesting I'd like to see more from you. Agree, disagree, offer new ideas, whatever.

The idea that a villager can confirm himself as a villager while only posting once a day is ridiculous but is something some here seem to subscribe by.

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Well, from glancing through, I think lynching gator is a good idea because if I were him as a wolf I'd play it just the same. Shrug, shrug, you can't trust your own thoughts, signing out, and resigning to the chance that you'll be mince meat. It's just hard to run that sort of "It's alright, guys, I'll go peacefully" attitude through. And if even the smallest opportunity of turning the wagon around shows, that opening could save you and make you golden til game's end. So if Gator is a wolf, I'd go TLR in a second.

The village is also days away from true worry and we're still positioned very well.

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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

I'm not sure I made myself clear then. He didn't just have it open. He was refreshing the thread, otherwise the time stamp in his profile that denotes the last activity wouldn't have changed multiple times in those 30 mins.

The rest of your post, I'm a big fan of. Anyone who voted for wufwugy before I outed him has pretty much an auto-pass for me for now. It's possible but unlikely, on Day 2, that wuf would have thought it was a good idea for a fellow wolf to put his name forward. The other still living person who put wuf's name forward was Rilla, and it's chief reason why I've presented Gator today rather than him.

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I honestly couldn't remember the lynch you were talking about til I found it.

There's probably less there than you realize, I wanted to put out a vote on someone I thought would react to it. I thought wufwugy was a good choice by virtue of being wufwugy and that he would certainly react.

Rilla, all stuff I wanted to see. Thanks for indulging me.

Based on TLR's posts today, if Gator is a wolf, I'm in love with lynching TLR.

don't lose sight of TLR when you find out I am a villager.

Alright, I'm pretty well set on this. lawyer Gator

I count 5 for gator. One more seals the deal

And rilla is 6