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Look ppl...stop feeling guilty for yourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
We popped one right off the bat!
Now use what you got to help sniff out the next one.
FWIW, I'm not worried about how the dead thread stacks up as long as it fills with wolves.
With no seer, its actually a solid strategy. Neuter our only ability, and then ride the 'lock villager' status to victory. I dont think its incredibly likely though, given only 4 votes for baudibQuote:
Originally Posted by daven
daven, ong, gabe, mmm were all on the baudib wagon.
I'm thinking all of them are villagers, especially daven.
hell yea
lets occams razor these wolves. the simplest explanation is true
when is it daytime again so i can lynch you?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by Keith
#37Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by Keith
good to see you are coming up with original ideas Bid.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
#42its not all it would mean , it also means they can go for a block and remove the revival option, thats like the seer outing with a confirmed villagers in the endgame and the village cannot lose while the ghost angels are alive , thats pretty big for the wolves they need the revival option gone and they need the ghost angels goneQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
#43ong and a wolf adamant that a wolf has to die first with ong playing down the risk to the village.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
keith, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. drew is paying you a compliment
wtf ....gabe is a likely early villager to be eaten .....so why volunteer to be lynched. as a villager he'd be dead in the first couple of days anyway. think this is the other wolf. Baud being a wolf shows that the wolves were aiming to dominate he dead thread, remove the revival option and then hope one or two of them survives long enough to win. With gabe living and not being eaten everyone would be asking why he is still alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
#87
but consider two wolves making themselves the lead wagons on day1 and pointing at each other , one dies and controls the dead thread, gets rid of the ghosts and the revival ability the other gets villager credit for leading the attack on the wolf and no seer to look them up to verify their role.I must have caused panic in the den when i showed what your plan was, you were already committed by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by baudib
hmm gabe and baud both were on dhubs early in the game. wolves were trying to get lynched, gabe had the weirdly worded post about he couldn't be happier with the baud lynch. baud ong gabe and dhubs as the wolves.
(*&(*&( multiquote
ong quote shouldn't have been in there
baudib commenting on gabe voting dhubs , baud shown to be a wolf, and gabe unlikely to reach endgame( with the why's he still alive argument must be a wolf ) both pointing at dhubs when found looking back knowing both are wolves would give dhuber villager points. now it looks like wolves giving each other cover. ong getting cover for the attack on baud and dhuber been targetted by wolves and likely to not be a priority lynch. GAbe and buad unlikely to ever reach endgame.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
lots of wolfy points in this post in hindsight knowing that baudib is a wolf and a baud=wolf normally gives ong villager points for their head 2 head exchange at the start which them makes me look more like a wolf. I think this is a inexperienced wolf jumping in with a post to try and discredit the facyt that i was showing what their plan was thinking he was well hidden. this came just after ong had started to say that i was a wolf for not wanting to lynch a wolf on d1.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
the weird cryptic gabe post i referenced wrt gabe/dhuber which can be taken from either as a villager or a wolf point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I hope they kill you keith because I can't be bothered to argue with your crazy logic for another day.
I haven't thought much about the wolves blocking the revive but it seems natural to me that if a wolf dies and blocks one revive as a result, that's break evevn for them and basically a waste of time. If they block both, well maybe that's a viable strategy. idk. But didn't wuf say the revive is down to one anyway?
I think you're placing too much importance on crazy strategies that just aren't going to happen anywhere outside your head. I would imagine the wolves are trying to avoid getting lynched, because if I were a wolf, that's what I'd be doing. Lynch is the only thing wolves need to worry about, so I don't see why they need to get all FPS trying to block revives and control the dead thread and whatnot.
It stil surprises me that you're still chirping this tune but I'm utterly convinced that you'd have killed me yesterday if you're a wolf wth baudib so I'm left to assume you're just being creative.
This is more like it keith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith
This post of doober's is the most stand out post I can find with the knowledge baudib is a wolf. Here doober is avoiding a wolf wagon while sitting on the fence of two villager wagons. He votes for keith but leaves the door open to switch to me later.
Also JKDS' push at me could be an attempt to move votes away from baudib. It also has a pre-emptive feel about it, it feels like he's expecting me to come swinging for him and is countering what he's anticipating before I attack. It feels weird.
doober and JKDS my picks based on baudib flip.
ToucheQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith
I guess I share your thoughts more than I realized.
baud definitely had a little man crush on dhuber, but im not sure he would suggest running wagons on baud v huber if they were both wolves, unless crazy keith is right about wolves wanting to die
idk it's pretty safe territory. When did the village ever run a 1 vs 1 after someone suggested it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
the cowboy game with the duels, because it was a mechanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
But yeah, good point.
Here's where I'm at...
Baudib - wolf
Gabe - his style is naturally wolfy and tbh I have a hard time reading gabe. Null.
MMM - feels like a villager
JKDS - push on me is suspect based on timing, content also smacks of a pre-emptive strike. Feels villager with his strat talk but he's an excellent wolf so I'm not giving him too many v points for that. Wolfy.
Dhuber - fence sitting with myself and keith while giving baudib cover... wolfy.
Ong - quack
BID - drew feels more thoughtful here and I'm not sure if that means he's a wolf trying to not fuck up or a villager trying to shake off his lvp rep. I can usually read drew's motives but I'm struggling here.
Keith - p much conf villager from my pov
Hoops - strong villager lean for lurking as baudib died, he could've lynched me but didn't. He's not as conf as keith simply because hoopy would have a harder time explaining a late switch to me.
Rillz - last time he was this quiet he was a wolf with me. He hates being a wolf. His activity level alone is enough for me to consider him wolfy as fuck.
Keybored - another who was lurking at deadline and could've saved baudib by killing me, so another villager lean. Again would have a harder time explaining himself so he's not conf territory.
Luco - very low profile for luco, it would surprise me if he played wolf like this but he does look fishy so he's null.
Daven - also near confirmed villager, that attack on baudib is too strong for wolf on wolf imo.
doober rilla rilla my top three picks
*doober rilla jkdsQuote:
doober rilla rilla my top three picks
Is it wise to post about game strat at night while the wolves are huddled up?
Doesn't that give them more to go on?
Or, does a lack of night posting potentially indicate distracted wolf behavior?
Personally, I like silent night time to analyze the prev day's events without having to keep up with constant inputs.
yur mom jokes at night = funny
epic read lists = revealing
Yah?
I'd be shocked if keybored was a wolf.
Talking at night is at the very least neutral for the village. Personally, I think it's +EV.
Consider the following:
1) Wolves rarely, if ever, get PM's. Joking aside, they are hardly influenced by something someone says here in the wee hours during the night. There's just not enough significant content.
2) The more villagers discuss amongst each other, the better for the village.
3) The more that wolves chat, the better for the village.
I still think ong is a wolf btw.
W vs W Day 1 in an attempt to control the ghost angel and lock up a villager status with the n00bs.
lol I'm sorry I accused you of being thoughtful drew.
I don't want to kick off a tangent with this and I certainly think ppl should do what they wish, but I don't feel the same way. Giving the wolves more info at night poses more risk than possible reward. We can chat it up all night with only the info of who was lynched while they'd be chatting with the knowledge of who's going to be killed in the morning. Also, they could be throwing out subtle feelers to intentionally gain info to help their decision. Wolves get to sit back and take it all in with no expectations (e.g., daytime discussion). BTW, when Ong immediately requested night chat after d1 ended, I was initially suspicious of such a request cuz it seems to benny wolves. Your support raises the same concern. I'd caution ppl to limit their night chat or keep it on a day zero type level.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
We often talk about this, and the general consensus is that night talk is of overall benefit to the village. But it's impossible to quantify so it's basically opinion. I agree with drew that it's +ev for the village. I'd say more so where there's no specials and thus the thread content is of less interest to wolves.
pretty sure ive rekt a couple of nights for the wolves this year. talking is definitely pro village
Who knew...Okey doke.
Keith r ded
Gabe
The Living
MMM
JKDS
Dhuber
Ong
BID
Hoops
Rillz
Keybored
Luco
Daven
The Dead
A crazy, themed game (or ur mam)
baudib
keith
The Village
8 villagers
3 wolves
4 ghost angels!
Tis Day 2. You have 48 hours. 6 to lynch
when i was first a wolf it annoyed me that village continued talking especially with specials as a tactic used to be wolves nailing the coffin shut to stop the village talking.if the village talked anyway then it made that strategy useless.Keyboreds post here reads like a wolf frustrated by the info that been put out there overnight.
keith was probably the best villager up to this point. On the other hand, he'll make for a good angel.
If I were a wolf, which I'm totally not, I would have probably put a player like rilla in the dead thread just because he seems to be the most AFK player in the game. I dunno, maybe someone else is more AFK than he has been.
I know I'm flip flopping on keyborred here but I can't help it. Sometimes he makes such wolfy posts and sometimes he comes across like a n00b villager. I'm back on my original read of him leaning wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith
I'm willing to jump on an ong or keyborred wagon the moment it starts.
fuck it
lynch keyborred
If it's a tight race between ong and someone else, I'm gladly switch to ong.
I'm more for an Ong wagon personally, but wouldn't mind switching to Keybored if it comes to that.
The main reason for suspecting Ong is because of his arguments with Keith who is now a confirmed Villager. Unfortunately that could also be a result of V-on-V discussions which is something that has to also be considered.
As far as my role is concerned, all I can say is that I'm a Villager who's looking to terminate Wolves like most everyone else. I initially thought baudib's posts were a bit wolfy on Page 1, but mistakenly came off of that read early on. In hindsight, it can definitely be argued he "arooos" in those posts, but a good portion of Villagers in all games appear to do so and reading into that requires a lot of skill as well as a lot of subjectivity.
One of baudib's last posts stated that he thought I was genuine in my search for wolves. I wonder if this was a way to throw even more suspicion onto me once he rolled Wolf. Either way, we'll see how it all shakes out and I'm up for answering any direct questions for those who are suspicious of me, as I want the Village to win.
Lynch Ong
I can't help but read this post over and over again and wonder if it has anything to do with wolf den strat.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Ong is a villager. so is mmm, hoopy, keybored, daven and drew.
the wolves are in gabe, huber, jkds, rilla
Ok drew.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I've been through the dead thread thing with keith and I haven't got the appetite for another round of stupid... but the latter part... what noobs? I count one. Do you think I'm gonna throw a buddy under the bus to impress one person?
And you suggest that you'd kill rilla if you're a wolf because he's afk... not only does that make very little sense, but rilla being afk is most definitely not something that should get him any villager points in the first place.
lynch rilla
A quiet rilla should be a dead rilla.
^ thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Luco
1) No, you're not wuf, so I suppose not.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
2) I wasn't implying rilla is a villager or should get villager points. I was trying to say that a player who is the least involved might make the most mistakes as an angel.
I don't remember who I was referring to tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Who do you consider a n00b?
Actually, don't answer that.
Ok that makes sense. I disagree though because I don't think villager rilla would let the village down.Quote:
2) I wasn't implying rilla is a villager or should get villager points. I was trying to say that a player who is the least involved might make the most mistakes as an angel.
Which is why he's a wolf. Because he's letting the village down by not doing what he does best.
This is what you did yesterday. You voted keith while leaving the door open for a switch to me. Now you're voting for me, while leaving keybored as an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
Most of your post is you using lots of words to say very little.
doober be wolfing.
I started going through the game to copy and paste every time he said something along the lines of "I'm a villager" or "That's what's best for us, the village", but I soon realized it would take way too long to make the lolz worth while.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The first time I read this, I figured that if baud was wolfin, then the other wolves would be split with 1 in each of his groups here:
#126
... which meshes perfectly well with this:Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I must admit that this is a really soft read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
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My brother is visiting now, so I'm short on time. I'll be back in a few hours.
Nice pick up.
You're probably right. I like a huber or ong lynch.
I'd like to answer: Baud and I were FTR WW virgins together two games ago in Gold Rush (actually, Baud subbed into that one). Doobs was the mod after having popped his WW cherry on just the game prior. The next game was Anon, so that fucked us noobs all up. Now, we 3 are clearly the noobs in this game and it's another Frankenstein makeup (thx Wuf). Tough start for us 3, I must admit. But no shame in it...Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Is anyone else wondering how many posts Baud/Keith are throwing around now? Poor Keith, it must be like going to hell all alone with your ex wife who would never STFU. RIP Keith...gg
Lol that's so true. U should go join them
lynch keybored because I could see him as a wolf saying not to post at night. As a villager it's fun to post so I would never think to encourage something that would make me able to post less (since I'm a villager)
so you want to lynch me cuz I want to take away your fun?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
yah, that's a strong position.
I want to lynch you cuz you're so eager to throw away your vote.
Lynch Gabe
Ong repeatedly trying to start a Keith wagon doesn't look good for him.
Keith was full of hate for Ong all the way.
I already thought the Ong-baud thing was either V-V or W-W.
lynch OngBonga
im not throwing away my vote. im also not bound to it. ok
i just think its natural for villagers to want to be able to post, and i could see you being irked by nightposters as a wolf. thus i think you are more likely to be a wolf than average.
and since i dont have any of my own good ideas voting for your seems like a good way to start day 2
im very puzzled over the keith lynch. the fact its puzzling makes me think he said one thing that got a strong reaction from the wolves. he was in the mix, he could have easily been lynched today, but the wolves take him out anyway. so what did he say to cause this?
any time ong argues with someone it ultimately leads to ong repeatedly trying to start that person's wagon. and keith is a likely person to be in an argument with someone. because of this im not reading much into ong posts and keith's death.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Hi Ong, do you have a second reason to thinking I'm a wolf?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I don't post at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
lynch dhuber
Of course not. You haven't posted anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
huber is making me nervous, going to read through his posts to see if anything stands out.
It'll be a perfect storm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
I'm not. I could see he was a villager and I'm not gonna be alive for very long, as soon as I flip villager then it's clear to everyone that he let baudib die when he could've killed me. Killing keith keeps heat on me while removing a villager who putting pressure on at least one wolf in baudib. I don't think he was getting lynched, I was certainly not gonna be pushing him today.Quote:
im very puzzled over the keith lynch.
This kinda feels like someone trying to be consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
rilla put literally no thought into those three posts above. rilla is not this reactionary as a villager. he's proactive and hunts wolves. Where is the rilla we all love? This is the same rilla I was wolfing with a couple of games back.
dhuber keeps on saying how he's a villager and wants to help the village.
not 100% convinced huber is a wolf. He has a fairly formal, deliberate tone and i misread it last game, and he has a couple of things in his favour (would baud bait a noob wolf with that wifom thing? maybe, maybe not) but i dont hate a huber lynch today
doobs piggybacking off me while making sure people know it's my read not his that has inspired him to vote for a villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
Then when I hop back on baudib...
Next post of his is this...Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
But today he stomps in with this...Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
Didn't he say it was time to look through baudib's posts? Where's the evidence of that in this wall of fluff? There's no reconsidering my alignment based on me attacking baudib. There's no suggestion I'm trhowing him under the bus. It's just waffle waffle lynch ong.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
I'm not seeing any hint of villager here.
I started to read baudib's posts and I'm not even off p1 yet and I'm bored shitless. How can someone spew more than me? I'm having a bong and doing something else for a bit.
Of these 4 ppl, Daven was the least convincing about Baudib. Sounds wolfy to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
I think we've focused most of our attn on just a few interactions (Baud, Ong, Keith).
I'm gonna look into a Hoopy-Daven connection...
That is an accurate read.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I promised involvement in a few hours, but by the time by brother left, I was well inebriated. That post represents me failing to find a reason to change my mind about your play. I was tired and spent too long on it without gaining any additional insight, so I left my thoughts.
My bad.
I shouldn't have promised a timeline, and I shouldn't have felt compelled to keep that promise when my perspective was compromised, either.
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I wish the interaction between Keith and Ong wasn't all initiated by Ong blatantly pushing Keith's buttons. It seriously undermines my ability to read much about Ong from the Keith/Ong aggro. I agree the arguments I gave in #351 are paper-thin.
rescind OngBonga
Well, there's nothing notable betw these 2 IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Daven feels very town and seems to actively hunt.
BUT, after looking at Hoopy:
Ultra-Lurkish behavior!
Casts a suspicion on just about everyone but doesn't commit to anything.
Didn't vote d1, FFS!! Claims he thought there was "more time" despite Ong's blatant 1-hr warning.
Rescind and Lynch Hoopy
Naturally, he'll say, "no wolf would ever be allowed to miss a vote."
Uh huh...
Never meet your idols.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Ong seems in a button pushing mood.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I like a rilla lynch a little bit more after seeing this post again.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Yeah the baudib-rilla interactions feel a little awkward to me. He seems to be trying to engage rilla, but not in the sense of trying to figure him out, rather get him involved. Note that I'm putting my vote on him to force him to engage, not asking him how he's feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
baudib is a lot happier to shift the focus onto doobs, I think doober looks ok based on his baudib interactions, it's just his voting and fence sitting is shady.
Oh hey rilla's here.
rilla why aren't you hunting?
lynch rilla
I'm trying to figure out how you basically never full-front attack me in this manner. If you were suspicious of me you would poke and prod me to leak out more information, not giving an absolute full-court press.
I know that a dip in participation in the mid-game is a HUGE tell for me, because I can read english and Luco has said as much. A man has gots to change.
And I am hunting, ong. In a game with no roles, the only thing a wolf has to do is convince himself he's a villager, and the only tool in the wolf toolkit is to pivot around being a villager, which is why I'm lynching dhuber.
I am poking and prodding you. And you should know as well as anyone that I can attack in this manner.
You're hunting? You're voting for doober but it doesn't look to me like you've had a look at the dead wolf's posts.
Are you suggesting you're deliberately playing to your wolf meta when villager for balance? Because I'm thinking that needs to be put to the test.Quote:
I know that a dip in participation in the mid-game is a HUGE tell for me, because I can read english and Luco has said as much. A man has gots to change.