Double Day Unlimited Werewolf

MMM just has lots of tone stuff going on where I picture a wolf writing it...maybe ill highlight some of my 3rd review of his posts sells me enough

this is MMM's first post in the game. would village MMM feel this is necessary? i've bolded sections a wolf might make

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I'm not convinced. He (lilrascal) relies on live interaction to press his advantage as villager. This is the perfect hedge.
Everyone hedges. Villagers get less pressure when they're honest, and wolves get less pressure when they lie. Hedges win games.
Whoever calls it can get at least a partial free ride. Especially on this site where we know each other so well.

My read on lilrascal is slightly more wolfy than not.
(I totes misread him as wolfy in my MU game. Even after I'd identified the wolves I had him as possible SK, even though the night actions would have to have been phenomenal to prevent the SK from getting any kills. My meta read on rascal is in the dumps.)

BID for village President. He's playing the strongest D1 village game he's played in my recollection. Leaning V for BID.
I'm leaning slightly village on ong for his defense of his group vote and BID's read supports that. I trust BID's D1 reads on ong.
BID being all over the place is standard BIDville. Picking on BID for this is slightly wolfy, if anything (baud).

Despite that it's slightly wolfy on baudib to pick on BID, in general, he's reading V to me. He always looks village in the early game to me, and he's constantly improving. I hope he's a good guy. I'd love to hear a convincing read on baud, but I think it's too early and he's too good for that.

Gator... idk. He didn't fist pump in his opening post, so I guess that's wolfy.
JKDS always takes time to read, too.
Luco yet to post.
gabe yet to post.


I miss dhubs telling us how vanilla he was in every post.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I think the votes on gabe/gator are strange to say the least, since the odds of either of them getting lynched are minimal, given our meta. Wolves drive a gabe lynch on D1. If gator has the rep he has, then taking him out on D1 when rand dictates that he's more likely V than W is pretty bad form.

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is that why you are giving me such a pass this game? because you hope other people will think this and give YOU a pass for it?

Ong, I've gone about 10 straight long games without being lynched and mostly without even being a wagon, probably ~300 different players in those games, I think it is mostly a you problem.

I don't see Rascal as particularly wolfy, but I could be wrong. I still think it's MMM, who has done little to zero solving, and JKDS.

rescind all
Lynch MMM

yep Gabe, that first post by MMM was an abomination.

lynch JKDS

MMM-JKDS-Rascal works

but really MMM-JKDS-reassess.

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Originally Posted by gabe

im working through the thread now slowly. can you and baudib just consider this post


and consider why it happens... and consider if thats whats happening now

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I have considered it, which is why I'm not fixated on the idea that it's baudib. He's prime suspect, but I've acknowledged several times that I might be wrong and I suck at reading baudib. It's not like I'm blind to my own failings. That said, if I think baudib is a wolf, I will say so, and say why. It's not like I'm reaching, imo. He's either wolf, or wolfy villager. I don't know why he has such a problem with me thinking he's a wolf. It's fucking werewolf. Someone's a wolf.

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Originally Posted by baudib

BID and MMM have been playing on MU.

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I played one game on MU and I wasn't interested and probably won't go back if ever, for some time.

So gabe, I wouldn't say I've been 'practicing'.

Ok here's two super town mojo posts...

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

@baudib: I am fed up with the abusive tone you have taken in past games and the fact that you called ong a moron in this game.

Seriously. What are you doing? You say ong is a V and you attack him? Terrible play if you're a V. Fomenting insecurities in your allies is practically suicide. You're doing the wolves' work.

If you're the V you claim you are, then give your reads.
Ask the questions that you find most interesting.
Encourage the people you have V reads on to work together, and forge a team.

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This feels particularly honest. I'm a little tired of baudib's tone when he gets fingers waved at him. It's like he feels insulted by the idea he's wolfy, and responds in kind. mojo is either in the same frame of mind here as me, or is brilliantly putting his villager head on.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

This "do what you want" BS is simply garbage play if you're a V.

I don't get where this rep that rascal was getting at comes from.

What are your best reads? That I'm a wolf?
I got news: You're wrong about that.
What's your backup?

Who are your most likely villagers? Why?

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I got news: You're wrong about that.

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Direct and assertive. Straight up honest.

mojo is a villager.

nah

I like that drew has backed off mojo thanks to my position on him. I mean if drew is a wolf, he doesn't need to do that. There's still plenty of action on him, he remains vulnerable despite my efforts. drew seems to be open to the idea that I'm right, which indicates to me that he's not identified mojo as mislynch bait.

I find it incredibly interesting the baudib wagon shifting to MMM, which is mainly pushed by gator and gabe imo.

I'm pretending either gabe or gator as wolf doing this. Why? It doesn't make a lot of sense other than because it doesn't make a lot of sense, which may provide village cred, I dunno.

Maybe they think MMM is stronger in late game as a villager.

It's villagery nonetheless.

However, i'm on ongs side when he states MMM is village. It may be a couple days before this stande changes, unless something redic happens but I don't see that with one wolf remaining.

Due to my appreciation of gabe and gators game, I'd strongly consider changing my vote from baudib to someone else but that someone else would be lilrascal.

rescind baudib
lynch lilrascal

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

OK, now you're voting for half the players. Statistically speaking, your approach prob has a wolf in it... and you're indiscriminate enough not to care that you're definitely wrong about 3 of them?

Why are you voting gabe?

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Hmm.

There's 8 players, and mojo points out that baudib is voting for half of them. He then says this means there's probably a wolf... probably implies greater than 50%, which in turn implies that mojo is thinking that from baudib's pov, there's 7 unknown because baudib knows he's a villager... which in turn implies that mojo knows baudib is a villager.

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Statistically speaking, your approach prob has a wolf in it...

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Can this come from a villager? Where's the "if you're a villager" pretext?

I don't think I like this.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Hmm.

There's 8 players, and mojo points out that baudib is voting for half of them. He then says this means there's probably a wolf... probably implies greater than 50%, which in turn implies that mojo is thinking that from baudib's pov, there's 7 unknown because baudib knows he's a villager... which in turn implies that mojo knows baudib is a villager.



Can this come from a villager? Where's the "if you're a villager" pretext?

I don't think I like this.

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Probably means >= 50%

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

They're closing the doors in the plane right now. I'll check in when I change planes and will do a total reread tonight, since I won't have much else to do sitting in the hotel.

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This is an elaborate picture to paint for a fabrication.

Whether rascal is a W is still up for grabs, but I seriously doubt his hedge was fake.

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Originally Posted by gabe

this is MMM's first post in the game. would village MMM feel this is necessary? i've bolded sections a wolf might make

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I was drunk during my first post. Hungover during my second.

You're right that my tone in those posts was sub-par, but you're missing why.

Nah if I flip a coin, it's not probably going to be heads.

I think that from a villager's pov, the "if you're a villager" thinking when applying the idea that baudib is probably voting for a wolf is critical. The villager doesn't know if baudib is probably voting for a wolf, because baudib might be a wolf.

Furthermore, and this might be even better, if mojo is a villager, then he wouldn't consider that baudib is probably voting a villager, because mojo's self awareness means he can take himself out of the pool. Mojo now sees 3 from 7, so he would assume baudib is probably NOT voting for a wolf.

Mojo can only mean from baudib's pov, and the lack of "if you're a villager" I think betrays mojo's state of mind. I think mojo knows baudib is a villager.

Sigh.

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then he wouldn't consider that baudib is probably voting a villager

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*wolf

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Originally Posted by gabe

is that why you are giving me such a pass this game? because you hope other people will think this and give YOU a pass for it?

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Giving you a pass? You earned my respect as a V with your vote on Luco.

Prior to that I only defended your rep, and I saw the error in that within a few posts.

My reason for clearing you is well delineated. I have expounded on the fact that I think you bussing Luco there is an extremely unlikely event, and that clears you, from my POV.

But then, you said:

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Originally Posted by gabe

this post has nothing in it. it would be very easy for a wolf to type this.

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About my (I thought well founded) reason for doubting that you would bus Luco in that spot.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Probably means >= 50%

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Yeah I don't think mojo actually thinks this, and it's basically a poor attempt to swat away a slip. I mean the dictionary definition of probably is "almost certainly", but as a poker player I accept >50%.

But not 50%. And I don't think mojo thinks this either. I think mojo is caught.

lolwat? *sigh*

gabe's attack on me is ridiculous and I'm trying to make sense of why he would attack me over explaining why I don't think he would bus Luco. It's not like I left a one-liner and pretended that gabe was lock-vil. I gave my background and conclusions.

Whatever. I'm V. I'm admittedly less interested in this game than prior games.

The village core is well established, and if you guys keep your paranoia out of it, and remember how and why your early reads were formed, then the final W doesn't stand a chance.

Gabe's flip on me is weird. At least he's digging.

Ong's flipping is less weird; I still think ong is genuine.


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There's over 6 hours left, and I'll be in and out until EOD.

I don't think mmm's 'probable' statement is necessarily role indicative of wolf.

Thing is, that's all I dislike about mojo, and I think I dislike more that he's a wagon. I mean it's not like anyone else spotted that "slip". He's been getting pushed when he's in my opinion looked like a villager. And his dismissal there seems genuine. I don't think mojo would have that tone with me as wolf. I think he'd be more defensive, and possibly even turn on me. He seems to have given up caring, and if he was a wolf, I think he just howl and be done with it once he lost me.

He's coming across as genuine, in his tone. That implies villager in the case of mojo, in my opinion. I wouldn't rely on that for the likes of JKDS, but for mojo, I think his villager honesty tends to shine through.

whatever. let's lynch JKDS.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Whatever. I'm V. I'm admittedly less interested in this game than prior games.

The village core is well established, and if you guys keep your paranoia out of it, and remember how and why your early reads were formed, then the final W doesn't stand a chance.

Gabe's flip on me is weird. At least he's digging.

Ong's flipping is less weird; I still think ong is genuine.


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There's over 6 hours left, and I'll be in and out until EOD.

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This is a really weird post. Who is the final W?

I'm not as committed to my villa mmm read as I am with others. I just remember that mmm usually shines like an obvious villager by this point...and he's not there. He says he's less interested this game, but he still seems like he's interested.

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Originally Posted by jkds

How sick would it be if that list of three was right?

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Originally Posted by baudib

it's not.

how do you get credit for Luco when he's essentially exactly = rand.

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rescind Baudib
Lynch Baudib

Why did you signal out luco here? He hadnt flipped wolf yet

you don't get any credit if he flips W

Ya, I read the reasoning that was inside the post. Thanks for repeating it.

Anything else to say?

you look pretty wolfy from that sequence.

like, if you nailed 2 wolves in a list of 4 (3) it wouldn't actually be that sick.

you don't give any real reason to vote Luco there either. Like why Luco and not Rascal?

also, your post about MMM there is a lot of sideways talking.

you can die.

From what I can tell Gabe actually thought Luco's lone post was wolfy, and also was consistent in wanting to push people who gave slank cover (Rascal). So his voting pattern is perfectly reasonable and makes sense.

JKDS tossing in Luco there doesn't.

rescind MMM

Sounds like a ton of BS to me.

Know why?

Cuz GABE was also in my list of three. Gabe who hadnt even posted yet. Luco at least posted once.

So you see my list, and immediately think "NO WAY, NO CREDIT FOR LUCO"....but you dont say the same thing about gabe, you dont even think about gabe, and the reasoning applies even better to gabe.

You had luco on the brain baudib. Hes your wolf bro

no

u

GG Baud

I read that as baudib saying luco was rand because luco said that luco would not post much in the beginning


Only wolfy part I see is that if whoever says luco has a pure random chance of being a wolf must be wrong because whoever says that knows their own role

Also I want to say that I am not ruling BID out. I feel great about ong and I'm willing to work with some of you

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Originally Posted by gabe

I read that as baudib saying luco was rand because luco said that luco would not post much in the beginning


Only wolfy part I see is that if whoever says luco has a pure random chance of being a wolf must be wrong because whoever says that knows their own role

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Ya, and that parts fine. The problem is he didnt say the same thing about you, when I also voted for you in the same exact post. You hadnt even posted yet, but he makes a point of bringing luco up. Why'd he "forget" you, but remember luco? Its cuz luco means something to him while you dont.

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Originally Posted by gabe

Also I want to say that I am not ruling BID out. I feel great about ong and I'm willing to work with some of you

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Ong and BID are 100% villagers. You are too. Bank it.

baudib and jkds im sitting on a plane thinking about what you're both saying

Unlike rascal I'm paying for wifi

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

Votecount 1.4

4
Luco - (gabe, Gator, Ong, JKDS)

3
Gator - (gabe, MMM, Ong)

baudib - (BID, MMM, Ong)

2
MMM - (Gator, baudib)

Ong - (JKDS, baudib)

lilrascal - (gabe, Ong)

1
JKDS - (gabe)

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From what I see, Gabe has a reason for voting Luco, Gator has MMM and Luco tied together as a pair. Ong is voting for like everyone. JKDS' vote on Luco seems fishy to me.

Keep digging yourself a bigger hole.

I mean, you can guess what im gonna post next right?

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Originally Posted by baudib

Ong is voting for like everyone. JKDS' vote on Luco seems fishy to me.

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Ong's vote for luco is fine, because he's voting for everyone. Mine is fishy...because...

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Originally Posted by JKDS

What about this...

lynch all except jkds

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Originally Posted by JKDS

rescind all (cuz easier to read)

lynch
Luco
gabe
Gator
baudib

Special note: I took MMM off the list because I dont think wolf mmm goes absent as often as villager mmm does.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

You know, I like that baudib is lynching rascal. I dont like the read, but i like that hes voting him. Villager baudib is likely to critique him super hard given their history.

Rescind baudib

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

Votecount 1.1

2
luco - (Ong, JKDS)

gabe - (Ong, JKDS)

Gator - (Ong, JKDS)

MMM - (Ong, baudib)

baudib - (BID, Ong)

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BID - (Ong)

Ong - (baudib)

lilrascal - (Ong)

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Oh wait, looks like I voted for everyone than narrowed it down...leaving on gator, and two players with a post between em. SUPER FISHY

Its so fishy that I kept votes on Luco who I knew nothing about...but its totally legit that I kept a vote on gabe who I also knew nothing about.

lynch me, JKDS, MMM in any order and it's probably a village win.

if the last wolf is not in us 3 then we probably lose but that's the price you pay for lynching me.

I'd think about Drew pretty strongly at F3.

Know why baudib brought up luco? Because luco is his partner, and sometimes people FUCK UP when they try and post all stream of conscience-like.

Throw in the post on page 3 where Baudib says "lynch me guys, im a burden" and "dont lynch me, you'll regret it" and you have 2 solid wolf tells in addition to a blatant favoring of a wolf. EZ GAME

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Its so fishy that I kept votes on Luco who I knew nothing about...but its totally legit that I kept a vote on gabe who I also knew nothing about.

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except you didn't?

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Its so fishy that I kept votes on Luco who I knew nothing about...but its totally legit that I kept a vote on gabe who I also knew nothing about.

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There is a slight but meaningful difference though

Luco was going to be gone most of day 1. I only had a chance of being gone

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Originally Posted by baudib

lynch me, JKDS, MMM in any order and it's probably a village win.

if the last wolf is not in us 3 then we probably lose but that's the price you pay for lynching me.

I'd think about Drew pretty strongly at F3.

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He did it again! Careful guys, we might be wrong!

GAbe is not the same as Luco, the equivalent for Luco is Rascal.

Gabe simply hadn't posted.

Rascal and Luco both gave excuses.

baudib rereading the thread, looking at posts in context, asking good questions... making me rethink my presumptions.

rescind baudib

If I presume baudib as V, then my remaining suspects are JKDS and lilrascal. Frankly, rascal is looking more V than JKDS.

JKDS 177

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Originally Posted by JKDS

I like ong now.

B Lynch Rascal
Lynch Gabe
/B
Rascal hasnt cleared himself, and gabes way too eager to lynch people that lynched a wolf and not eager enough in clearing people based on it.

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@JKDS: If you want credit for being on the Luco lynch, why lynch gabe, who was on the Luco lynch?
I.e. what was the difference between his 'eagerness' and yours?

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Originally Posted by JKDS

I'm not as committed to my villa mmm read as I am with others. I just remember that mmm usually shines like an obvious villager by this point...and he's not there. He says he's less interested this game, but he still seems like he's interested.

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I'm interested, but less so than par for me.

Nevertheless, this kind of soft push is wolfy as sin.

Like Gabe voted for Rascal and Luco

Gator voted for MMM and Luco, who he had as a team

JKDS took a random list of 4 people and said, hey it'd be so sick if I had both wolves there. except it's not and it wasn't and he doesn't deserve any credit for making random lists that would be a lot easier with perfect knowledge.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Know why baudib brought up luco? Because luco is his partner, and sometimes people FUCK UP when they try and post all stream of conscience-like

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People also fuck up because in general.... Guess what.... people fuck up. It's the wolves who try to post carefully, not the wolves. I'm open to listening to you but "baudib made an error mistake" does not imply wolfiness. I make plenty of history mistakes when I'm a villager (I made one this game kinda when I didnt realize gator should have village credit for his luco vote). I make them as a wolf when I'm not trying too hard (I guess when I'm not invested in the game too much this happens)

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Originally Posted by JKDS

He did it again! Careful guys, we might be wrong!

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Hehe I agree that these sentences of his make me roll my eyes. But also I've said them before... I am curious how often I've made people on here roll their eyes

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Originally Posted by gabe

There is a slight but meaningful difference though

Luco was going to be gone most of day 1. I only had a chance of being gone

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Whats the relevance? A vote on an inactive is a vote on an inactive. There is no reason for Baudib to find a vote on luco fishy, but a vote on you perfectly fine.

Guys I would never say "hehe" as a wolf. Maybe I'll get a chance next game though...

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Whats the relevance? A vote on an inactive is a vote on an inactive. There is no reason for Baudib to find a vote on luco fishy, but a vote on you perfectly fine.

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Because it's possible for me to show my colors on day 1 when it's not possible for luco. Definitely a difference between us

I thought everyone's votes in the first period were more or less throwing darts at a board, I acknowledged that I didn't even like my own votes that much.

That JKDS vote on Luco just stuck out as weird, and still does.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

baudib rereading the thread, looking at posts in context, asking good questions... making me rethink my presumptions.

rescind baudib

If I presume baudib as V, then my remaining suspects are JKDS and lilrascal. Frankly, rascal is looking more V than JKDS.

JKDS 177

@JKDS: If you want credit for being on the Luco lynch, why lynch gabe, who was on the Luco lynch?
I.e. what was the difference between his 'eagerness' and yours?


I'm interested, but less so than par for me.

Nevertheless, this kind of soft push is wolfy as sin.

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I dont want credit. This isnt about proving my villagerness, its about proving baudib's wolfiness. No one can prove theyre a villager, and if you've been watching my playstyle throughout the past year, you know i've given up on that for a long time.

The issue is that my vote on luco is fishy, yet on gabe it isnt. Baudib had nothing to say to that, until gabe posted "hrm hrm, but excuses are different than nonapperances" to which baudib parroted right away.

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Originally Posted by gabe

People also fuck up because in general.... Guess what.... people fuck up. It's the wolves who try to post carefully, not the wolves. I'm open to listening to you but "baudib made an error mistake" does not imply wolfiness. I make plenty of history mistakes when I'm a villager (I made one this game kinda when I didnt realize gator should have village credit for his luco vote). I make them as a wolf when I'm not trying too hard (I guess when I'm not invested in the game too much this happens)

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Fuck I typoed. I was trying to say that wolves post more carefully than villagers. I said wolves twice

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Originally Posted by baudib

I thought everyone's votes in the first period were more or less throwing darts at a board, I acknowledged that I didn't even like my own votes that much.

That JKDS vote on Luco just stuck out as weird, and still does.

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Why. All I did was remove 4 people that looked like villagers (MMM, Ong, Rascal, and BID). You're looking at it like an attack on luco, instead of what it was. I cant understand that, and the onyl way it makes sense is if luco was your bro

seriously, me, JKDS, MMM in any order should win this ~90% of the time.

JKDS has mostly everyone else at 100% villager so he should go along with this.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Baudib had nothing to say to that, until gabe posted "hrm hrm, but excuses are different than nonapperances" to which baudib parroted right away.

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Parroted or rather we both immediately recognized the difference ?

baudib and I responding the same in the same minute is wolfy points for you imo. It makes our joint conclusion seem obvious ... Which makes you "forcing" that defense kinda wolfy

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Why. All I did was remove 4 people that looked like villagers (MMM, Ong, Rascal, and BID). You're looking at it like an attack on luco, instead of what it was. I cant understand that, and the onyl way it makes sense is if luco was your bro

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Rascal was looking like a villager when he did the same thing as Luco?

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Originally Posted by baudib

seriously, me, JKDS, MMM in any order should win this ~90% of the time.

JKDS has mostly everyone else at 100% villager so he should go along with this.

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I do. I disagree with your "look at BID" post though, because rascal is more likely to be a wolf than BID if this is somehow wrong.

This is great stuff right here.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Rascal was looking like a villager when he did the same thing as Luco?

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Today, I learned that 3 posts of content from Rascal = 1 post of excuses from Luco

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Originally Posted by gabe

Parroted or rather we both immediately recognized the difference ?

baudib and I responding the same in the same minute is wolfy points for you imo. It makes our joint conclusion seem obvious ... Which makes you "forcing" that defense kinda wolfy

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Its certainly possible it was both an original thought. Im deliberately sidestepping that though, because its so much more likely that hes just looking for ways out.

baudib never explained why he feels the game is town sided.

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Originally Posted by gabe

People also fuck up because in general.... Guess what.... people fuck up. It's the wolves who try to post carefully, not the wolves. I'm open to listening to you but "baudib made an error mistake" does not imply wolfiness. I make plenty of history mistakes when I'm a villager (I made one this game kinda when I didnt realize gator should have village credit for his luco vote). I make them as a wolf when I'm not trying too hard (I guess when I'm not invested in the game too much this happens)

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People do make mistakes, but when mistakes happen, you man up and say "whoops, you're right, doesnt make much sense". You dont do what baudib is doing and make a ton of excuses for how his read possibly makes any sense...with each one having more holes than the last.

These are Rascal's 3 posts to start the day, I'm really not sure how any gets a villa read off them.

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

I was going to do this, but now that Ong has done it, it seems too wolfy.

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

I don't follow you on this first sentence. It seems you're just going in circles (i.e., WIFOM).

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

FYI, my work schedule is going to be insane for the next month or so, but I'll do what I can.

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Didn't you have a village read on rascal?

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Originally Posted by baudib

These are Rascal's 3 posts to start the day, I'm really not sure how any gets a villa read off them.

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He posted how hes not gonna do something because "it seems too wolfy". In my experience, wolves avoid the fuck out of phrases like this. Especially right off the bat when they have nothing to gain. His next post is game solvey, and all three posts sounded like rascal.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Didn't you have a village read on rascal?

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He didnt until later, baud actually went after him at that point in the game. It gave baudib villager cred from me at the time too.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Didn't you have a village read on rascal?

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no I voted for him after those 3 posts

whatever

JKDS could just be a villager with AIDS, MMM is probably a wolf with AIDS

lynch MMM

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Originally Posted by JKDS

I'm not as committed to my villa mmm read as I am with others. I just remember that mmm usually shines like an obvious villager by this point...and he's not there. He says he's less interested this game, but he still seems like he's interested.

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what exactly are you saying about MMM here?

Me and rascal are racing to be "most scapegoaty" at this point in the game.

I guess I see where gabe is coming from, if his memory of my style of play only extends back one or two games. I really don't know what his gripe is that is enough to attract a vote on me and no one else. If nothing else happens, this is an important motivation that needs to be discovered.

@gabe: What's up with that?


But lilrascal's vote on me seems little more than revenge for my vote on him.
@lilrascal: What's up with that?

rescind lilrascal

lynch baudib

lilrascal and JKDS are my other picks for remaining W.

I will leave out any thoughts on gator, since I was reading him as V-ish, and he's actually got fewer posts than lilrascal at this point. Besides, I don't know how you guys read him (or deal with the fact that you can't) anyway.


There is no wolf in { BID, gabe, ong }.

@Ong: Does it strike you as important that baudib was looking all kinds of wolfy until he got votes? Then his nose goes to the grind and he's all, "Village Spirit, Go Go Go!"

There's no justification for any votes on me but glgl.

anyone have any idea what the VC is?

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Originally Posted by baudib

There's no justification for any votes on me but glgl.

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you are too extreme too often


MMM .......hMMMmmmmm

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Me and rascal are racing to be "most scapegoaty" at this point in the game.

I guess I see where gabe is coming from, if his memory of my style of play only extends back one or two games. I really don't know what his gripe is that is enough to attract a vote on me and no one else. If nothing else happens, this is an important motivation that needs to be discovered.

@gabe: What's up with that?


But lilrascal's vote on me seems little more than revenge for my vote on him.
@lilrascal: What's up with that?

rescind lilrascal

lynch baudib

lilrascal and JKDS are my other picks for remaining W.

I will leave out any thoughts on gator, since I was reading him as V-ish, and he's actually got fewer posts than lilrascal at this point. Besides, I don't know how you guys read him (or deal with the fact that you can't) anyway.


There is no wolf in { BID, gabe, ong }.

@Ong: Does it strike you as important that baudib was looking all kinds of wolfy until he got votes? Then his nose goes to the grind and he's all, "Village Spirit, Go Go Go!"

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After I flip, this post has all the hallmarks of a wolfy wolf hiding a wolfy vote in a wolfy post.

rescinding on rascal for no real reason when he's still your wolf lean.

calling JKDS wolfy without any reasoning

doesn't give a reason for voting me, in fact says I am going nose to the grind and all Go village. that's a good reason MMM.

LOL if you're a villager.

@ong: game is imba toward V because

It a "vanilla" game, it's 9 players, 7/2 with no specials.

In this game, it's the same, except that there are fewer nights.

Consider that after the Luco lynch, there was no night phase and no nom. This is essentially skipping N1.

In effect, all odd-numbered nights are skipped.

Without some special role for the wolves, their killing power has been cut in half.

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Originally Posted by baudib

LOL if you're a villager.

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are you trying to act cool because you play so often??? zzz

nope

MMM is close to downright sabotaging if he's a villager.

My vote is off rascal because it was putting him w/ more votes than baudib, and I think baudib is all kinds of bad.

I think this heightened involvement only came after baudib was getting votes and that he was all over the place in early game.
His vote was not on Luco.
He's flipping back and forth on me as the vote count suits him.

IF I'm wrong about baudib, and I know he's wrong about me, then the only thing he can have right is his read on JKDS.
I think bussing on Luco is well within JKDS playbook.
It's on my radar that JKDS is a wolf.

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Originally Posted by baudib

nope

MMM is close to downright sabotaging if he's a villager.

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This is how I feel about you baudib.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

This is how I feel about you baudib.

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Well, you're wrong as you usually are. shrug

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

@Ong: Does it strike you as important that baudib was looking all kinds of wolfy until he got votes? Then his nose goes to the grind and he's all, "Village Spirit, Go Go Go!"

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baudib just strikes me as wolfy in everything he does. It's like he tries.

@gabe: What is your case on me that is overwhelming your case on anyone else?

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

baudib rereading the thread, looking at posts in context, asking good questions... making me rethink my presumptions.

rescind baudib

If I presume baudib as V, then my remaining suspects are JKDS and lilrascal. Frankly, rascal is looking more V than JKDS.

JKDS 177

@JKDS: If you want credit for being on the Luco lynch, why lynch gabe, who was on the Luco lynch?
I.e. what was the difference between his 'eagerness' and yours?


I'm interested, but less so than par for me.

Nevertheless, this kind of soft push is wolfy as sin.

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MMM how do you go from this two hours ago to thinking I'm the wolf ahead of JKDS

AFAICT this is the first time you really mentioned JKDS all game as well.

Vote Count (AFAIK)

player || is voting for
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baudib || JKDS, MMM
BID || lilrascal
gabe || MMM
gator || lilrascal
JKDS || baudib, lilrascal
lilrascal || MMM
MMM || baudib
ong || (no vote)

Totals:
baudib - 2
JKDS - 1
lilrascal - 3
MMM - 3

BID - 0
gabe - 0
Gator - 0
Ong - 0

I did a quick read on Rascal and he seems totally rand. I doubt he wins this game as a wolf though.

So yeah this is your POE

Baudib
MMM
JKDS
Rascal


If there's a deep wolf glgl

I think BID is really unlikely to be a wolf, he would have made some horrendous post by now. he is being pretty quiet though

Ong is probably a villager most of the time

Gator and Gabe feel like villagers

This group is mostly self-resolving anyway.

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Originally Posted by baudib

MMM how do you go from this two hours ago to thinking I'm the wolf ahead of JKDS

AFAICT this is the first time you really mentioned JKDS all game as well.

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Your hysteria is not well founded. I have mentioned JKDS many times, mostly by POE.

Village:
BID
gabe
ong

On Luco
gabe, gator, JKDS, ong
(that list is alphabetical, as are all my lists of player names)

Who's left?
baudib, lilrascal

What do I have clearing JKDS besides his vote on Luco? Not much.
What do I have to clear gator? Equally not much.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Your hysteria is not well founded. I have mentioned JKDS many times, mostly by POE.

Village:
BID
gabe
ong

On Luco
gabe, gator, JKDS, ong
(that list is alphabetical, as are all my lists of player names)

Who's left?
baudib, lilrascal

What do I have clearing JKDS besides his vote on Luco? Not much.
What do I have to clear gator? Equally not much.

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you didn't answer the question

MMM

you're not getting Gator mislynched this game IMO

glgl

@baudib: what about gabe and gator feels like villagers?