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On me.
Is it because you reacted so poorly to my attack earlier and couldn't manage a response to my follow-through but to beg the mods to call me off?
Cig, Idk how he doesnt know if theres multiaccounters, and Idk how he doesnt know hes gonna die when baudib is posting vote counts left and right. But i refuse to believe its because hes stupid. He probably either doesnt care, or is doing some wolf fancy play to save himself, and fancy play seems most likely.
Meanwhile, I dont know how Duck goes from loving the Gravy lynch...to "going with gut" and switching to Shoryuken within less than 2 hours. That shits weird. Hes willing to let Agua be lynched over gravy on the offchance shoryuken gets votes. Wolfy.
First contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaston
OK I went back to the beginning of the thread, taking my own votes out. Here's the voting history I have, name on left is voter and the following is their vote history:
Duck -- Ducksucks -- Aznchicks -- shoryuken -- gravyhog -- shoryuken
Gaston -- Aznchicks -- aguapurificada -- gravyhog
Ducksucks Shoryuken -- ducksucks -- shoryuken
Cigarette Butt -- Aznchicks -- gravyhog -- buck nekid -- ducksucks -- gravyhog
alargeprimate -- Aguapurificada
Darkwingduck - Aznchicks -- duck -- gravyhog
Shoryuken -- ducksucks
Taint -- lynchpelion -- gravyhog
quadrospazz -- cigarette butt -- aguapurificada -- shoryuken -- aguapurificada
buck nekid -- aguapurificada -- cigarette butt
gravyhog -- duck -- cigarette butt -- shoryuken
aguapurificada -- alargeprimate
moarcowbell -- aguapurificada -- gravyhog
lynchpelion -- moarcowbell -- gaston -- darkwingduck -- aguapurificada
That leaves us with
5 gravyhog -- Gaston, Cigarette Butt, Darkwingduck, Taint, moarcowbell
3 Aguapurificada -- alargeprimate, lynchpelion, quadrospazz
3 Shoryuken -- Ducksucks, gravyhog, duck
1 ducksucks -- shoryuken
1 cigarette butt -- buck nekid
1 alargeprimate -- aguapurificada
Deadline in approximately 1 hour.
If Gravy is a wolf, it means he has been leading in votes and opted to not even add his vote to the wagon that would get Agua killed instead of him. A wolf almost never does this. Only by accident or if it's something like the team is dysfunctional and is playing with fire in a way that gets them burned almost always
Gravy is the strongest villager candidate by far right now and lynching anybody else is much better. In the overwhelming majority of games, we could call Gravy lock-villager and never kill him and we would be wrong only a tiny percentage of the time
Seriously, if we don't lynch Gravy, we're freerolling with one player that we never have to worry about lynching but the wolves don't want to nom since he's not a special
That is, if I read how the wagons and behavior has gone down correctly. This isn't the first time this has happened in these games. We just have a hard time capitalizing on them when they do
Thinking backwards won't get you ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
Ofc everybody's gone now, with only 20 minutes left and a lockvillager is doneso. Sad
Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
unvote Gravy, lynch Shoryuken
Maybe Gravy is just bad :/
Guys, my apologies. It looks like I missed Buck Nekid's change on my last sweep. I've been trying to keep tabs at work and while on my phone. Now I'm home and I see the mistake.
4 gravyhog -- Cigarette Butt, Darkwingduck, Taint, moarcowbell
4 Aguapurificada -- alargeprimate, lynchpelion, quadrospazz, buck nekid
4 Shoryuken -- Ducksucks, gravyhog, duck, Gaston
1 ducksucks -- shoryuken
1 alargeprimate -- aguapurificada
I'm going to leave this open for a bit because of my fuck up.
And you guys thought Drew was going to cause hilarity!
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Originally Posted by duck
As in oh dear mislynch.
I agree with this and have never been a fan of a gravy lynch. Personally I think Darkwingduck is our best shot at hitting a wolf. For the moment I will rescind aqua while I take one final look at the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
I'm going to extend the deadline until 10 a.m. EST in order to try to give everyone a shot at looking at the thread. Sorry for this but it's a noob mod mistake.
Night will end 10 p.m. EST Sunday.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
To clarify: Day 1 ends 10:00 am SAT and Night 1 ends 10:00 pm SUN (EST). Yah?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
unlynch gravyQuote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
yes this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buck Nekid
After looking through the thread my top two choices are actually darkwingduck who seems to just jump on the bandwagon of the moment and Gaston. I especially like Gaston because of the following:
There are a couple of things I find interesting about the above post. First he says he has a "wolfread" on Shory, however shory's input had been minimal at best. He then closes with the thought that shory is a "lurking wolf", yet he votes for gravy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaston
Later he posts:
then shortly after that posts:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaston
Personally I am not sure why are aren't going with a lynch gastonQuote:
Originally Posted by Gaston
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Originally Posted by quadrospazz
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Originally Posted by quadrospazz
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Originally Posted by Gaston
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Originally Posted by Gaston
Lynch GastonQuote:
Originally Posted by Gaston
On phone did not see that last post by pelion until now. Cool coincidence.
Ya, I thought gravy was wolfier than shoruken. So i voted gravy. With 20min left, ducksucks makes a good argument against lynching gravy. Add how gravy hasnt claimed, it makes sense. I don't lynch ppl who are likely to be villagers.
So you pop up right around the deadline, then disappear? Youve read through and these are the only two posts you feel like commenting on?Quote:
Originally Posted by aguapurificada
Could be coincidence. Could also be that someone in the den pointed out gastons switch and you fucknuts didnt coordinate.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkWingDuck
Ducksucks makes a good point aboit gravy. Im cool with aqua or shoryuken. Both are dead wood so far.
rescind gravy, lynch shoryuken
Darkwingduck rescinds Gravy (318)
Lynchpelion rescinds Aguapurificada, lynches Gaston (320)
Darkwingduck lynches Gaston (321)
Taint rescinds Gravy, lynches shoryuken (326)
5 Shoryuken Ducksucks, gravyhog, duck, Gaston, Taint
3 Aguapurificada alargeprimate, quadrospazz, buck nekid
2 Gravyhog Cigarette Butt, moarcowbell
2 Gaston Lynchpelion, Darkwingduck
1 ducksucks Shoryuken
1 alargeprimate Aguapurificada
dont lynch gaston. hes 99% village after a couple of his posts.
shoryuken is perfect day 1 lynch. he hasn't jumped around much, just tried to lay back and get through the day but with a slightly suspicious vibe. bag em up
actually if you were a clever cookie you'd probably realise it's the opposite of wolfyQuote:
Originally Posted by Gaston
why the fuck would i make such a blatant change of vote that is going to raise eyebrows if i'm a wolf?
why would a wolf not give a fuck if he's looking wolfy?
i think shoryuken is more likely a wolf than gravy. if aqua gets killed because i wasn't voting gravy, well that's the nature of ww. i'm not gonna use my vote to save people whose alignment i do not know. i do not have a strong enough villager read on aqua to give a fuck if he lives or dies.
if he dies and flips villager, blame the people who lynched him, not the people who didn't lynch gravy.
ciggie, prove to us how clever you are
name the three wolves
i don't like this postQuote:
Originally Posted by gravyhog
makes me feel like i did a bad
i've just read pelion's post and gaston's reply
gaston's response seems lacking in something...
confidence i think
the tone seems to be less assertive than when he's moaning at me for switching
keep an eye on gaston
meanwhile i'm liking pelion
there are 100+ posts i dont like in this thread but i dont quote them all
gaston is villager because a wolf would not say say "x player is just bad." its too rare. im sure he actually believes it (if this wasnt day 1 and scenario was different i wouldnt be so sure)
i'm not happy to town gaston on that alone
i think i know who gaston is
i think gaston is a very capable wolf
sigh
welp i just made a post on my phone and forgot it wasnt logged into my anon account
duck knows my main account and idk who else does
i physically deleted the post. yea im a fish
well, Gravy seems to have just mod-died and there's no way Aqua can be wolf.
Rescind
LYNCH SHORYUKEN
LOL this game.
Gravyhog has been modkilled. Shoryuken has been lynched.
Drew has made it pretty clear that posting under your regular account would be violating the PRIME DIRECTIVE of this game so gravyhog has to go.
He wasSpoiler:the seer
Spoiler:No jk. He wasSpoiler:A WOOF!
bahahahahaha oops
other two are gaston and quad
thanks for playing
(story lines do not indicate role or identity)
Shoryuken was late for the game as usual. He had slept the day away, waking at 7 p.m. when a police siren started to wail a few blocks from his shabby 1-bedroom home. He had come to this town as a man of virtue and honor, but it took only a few short months for it all to crumble. Tonight though, would be different, he told himself. Tonight it would all change.
But if it were to change, he'd have to hurry. He'd already missed his 12-step meeting. More importantly, there was a poker game after the meeting. That was going to be the new start he needed. He put a few crumpled 20-dollar bills into his jacket pocket, confident that he could turn it into mirrions that night.
He was two blocks away from BankitDrew's pool hall when he saw them. He didn't know their real names, because names were forbidden. Ducksucks, Duck, Gaston, Taint and Buck Nekid were their noms de guerre.
"We know," Ducksucks said. "We know!"
Shoryuken stopped, stunned. "Know what?" he asked, a confused smile on his face.
"You hustled us!" Buck Nekid cried.
"Gravyhog messed up," Taint said. "He told us everything. We knew he was a scum. Raising every hand! But it was the poker odds calculator on his phone that gave him away."
"He's a POKER PLAYER," Gaston said. "He tried to scam us into playing a live Sit'N'Go. But we figured it out, and he told us you were his partner."
Before Shoryuken could even respond, his reflexes dulled by years drinking, Duck had ripped his coat off, seizing the $80 his found rolled up in the pocket.
Shoryuken could do nothing but run. How long he ran, he couldn't remember. Minutes, hours; he just had to get away, far away from this town, the people, the temptations, the demons. The group tried to chase after him, but they stopped when a small furry object fell from his back pocket.
It was a lucky rabbit's foot.
Spoiler:Shoryuken was a villager
It is night.
The living
Quadrospazz
Duck
Ducksucks
Gaston
Taint
Cigarette butt
DarkWingDuck
Moarcowbell
Lynchpelion
Buck Nekid
Aguapruificada
Alargeprimate
The dead:
Aznchicks, a dumbass, modkilled on D1.
Gravhog, a wolf, modkilled on D1.
Shoryuken, a regular villager, lynched on D1.
7 Regular Villagers
1 Every Night Angel
1 Every Night Seer
1 Even Night Vigilante
2 Wolves
Wolves, Angel and Seer, send in your picks if you wish to act. Night ends 10 p.m. EST on Sunday, or sooner if all picks are in and confirmed.
You MAY continue to post.
This does not explain why you switched from someone you "liked as a lynch" to someone else...within 2 hours time...without any reason to do so. Shoruyken didnt post inbetween then. This is a heavily defensive post, yet you dont explain the switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by duck
Btw, according to Baudib, my rescind of Gravy would have left him tied with 4 votes. He woulda died anyway, since it was the leading wagon. According to your very own logic, duck, "why would i make such a blatant change of vote that is going to raise eyebrows if im a wolf".
not shoryuken? you posted this before his flip.Quote:
Originally Posted by duck
Regardless you're 0/2 here
ok i know this might sound hypocritical, seeing as i bottled the gravy lynch in favour of a villager, but w/e, i'm not gonna let that stop me hunting
look how quad tries to move votes onto ciggie just as i turn the screw on gravy
look how taint and darkwingduck plough onto gravy... both these looking village
check out how gravy jumps on the ciggie wagon as his builds... ciggie is village
ooh check out how lynchpelion says he doesn't feel a gravy wagon and then tries to discredit someone who bandwagonned gravy
check out how pelion then jumps on buck's wall, finding it good enough reason to wagon aqua
quad gets on the aqua wagon
ooh gaston gets off aqua and goes for gravy, that would be a very good strategical wolf on wolf vote if that's what it is... village points here for gaston
gravy not into a buck lynch
ciggie jumps on gravyhog... + v points
ciggie accuses the shoryuken wagonners of being stupid, which in hindsight, we were... more + v points
gaston makes a late flip onto shoryuken, says gravy might just be bad - back to wolfy
ok i'm done with my late day sweep
i see gaston is pointing the finger at me based on my switch
predictable
guys i think there's exactly one wolf between me and gaston
lynch us both
also lynch quad, and if still no joy, pelion
that'll see it done imo
nah i was expecting a shoryuken village flip as soon as i saw gravy was wolfQuote:
Originally Posted by Taint
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Originally Posted by gravyhog
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Originally Posted by duck
Motherfuck...Quote:
Originally Posted by Taint
I'm more upset that he was a wolf than I am happy that a wolf died.
i'm not
i believed the first spoiler, so the wolf spoiler made me laugh
whatever
if wolves are dumb enough to post from their main account after a villager got modkilled for it, they deserve to lose a wolf
sorry gabe but you know how fucking dumb that was
and yeah i think it's fair that everyone knows who gravy was
gabe
hahaha gabewolf got modkilled
epic
I posted too soon, anyway
A wolf never does this to another wolf. Never. Not when theres 3 specials, and both players could be looked up/shot/or lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravyhog
This is very quick to discredit gravy's towncred for me. Duck doesnt even consider why gravy was coming from that position, and just attacked it to get rid of towncred for someone who "he knows the ID of".Quote:
Originally Posted by duck
yeah just like a wolf never lets his wagon build while he derps his vote somewhere other than the leading counterwagonQuote:
A wolf never does this to another wolf. Never. Not when theres 3 specials, and both players could be looked up/shot/or lynched.
taint what makes you think i'm 0/2
have you read anything since gravy flipped wolf?
By my count, Drew is just 1 modkill away from clinching this game.
(this post is just a joke in case you are stupid)
I don't like either Duck or Gaston for wolves
I think it is more likely that a wolf on Gravy's wagon didn't jump off at the last minute. They had to know there was no reason to believe Gravy was likely to survive. My post was one of the only ways Gravy survives (if it convinced people to jump off), and he technically didn't survive except the deadline was extended
This tells us that there is at least one wolf on the Gravy wagon who stayed there.
Why did you switch to Shoryuken, when 2 hours before you stated you liked the gravy lynch? (Asked: 3 times, Answered: 0 times)
so far so good.
Actually I don't know what I think. I don't understand play style that drastically decreases its win percentage just so it can get that rare, weird win
Honestly this game is fucking crazy, good first day for the village though overall.
I need to reread the thread with gravy as a wolf. Since he had a wagon we might be able to clear people.
Angel protect me or look like a fool.
I don't like the extension of the day. The Buck Nekid mistake didn't change the calculus. With or without it, Gravy was still the lynch by the deadline. That could have been such a disaster for us since the only way Gravy could have lived was because I pointed out the incompetence of his play if he's a wolf. Gravy technically did get lynched
I guess a late hopper-off of the Gravy wagon could be a wolf since they could have decided they were in an incredible spot (because of what I said) if they were to save Gravy instead of dooming him. Or it could be that the wolves were planning that all along but miscalculated and weren't online at the right time
how many times haven't i answered?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaston
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Originally Posted by duck
yeah angel protect ciggie tonight so you can't protect him tomorrow when the vig shoots him
Whether Gabe meant it or not, he saved the integrity of the game by getting modkilled, since the idea that he was lockvillager was dependent on the fact that it was impossible to save him by the deadline
Asked: 4 times, Answered 0 times.
Im asking for your reasoning. In two hours time, you go from quoting gravy to show how ecstatic you are to lynch him, to lynching shoryuken because...and i quote... "fuck it". It doesnt make sense when you claim to be so happy with lynching Gravy.
Here
You sound like you're pretty convinced. You're even trying to fuel his fire with this "you asked the other wolves didnt you" nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by duck
But then, two hours later,
This makes sense only if you didnt believe your own reasoning. Like you were making that shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by duck
Sleep.
I think Gabe's strategy was that since he was anonymous, he could look like a total newb and get vilcred for it. I don't know if this means that the wolves wanted to get on his wagon then off it or if they didn't wanna be on his wagon in the first place. If they wanted to be on the wagon then off it, they failed unless the den was talking to the mod about extending the deadline at the last minute or if they simply miscalculated timing. If Gabe was trying to look like a clueless newb, I don't know why any wolves would have gotten on his wagon and ultimately stayed
Granted, I'm probably wrong about this since I'm applying logic to a situation where the wolves themselves may not have applied any logic
my reasoning...
i
thought
shoryuken
was
wolfier
than
gravy
(i was wrong)
here's a fact - i literally do not give a flying fuck if i get lynched
we're miles ahead
miles
so accuse me all you like, i will troll you safe in the knowledge that eventually i flip villager, and your attack on me is shown to be the opportunistic bs that you and i both know it to be
and if somehow we're both villagers, then i still don't give a fuck because i'm a duck, and ducks don't give fucks
why gaston is a wolf -
because he's more interested in why i'm a wolf than why i'm a villager
An idea: the wolves were planning on jumping off Gravy at the last minute, but didn't when they noticed that Baud gave them the wrong count for Agua. This would mean that if they jumped off like they planned, he would have still died and flipped wolf and they would have looked really bad. This would mean the last two wolves could be Gaston and Taint
We should know what this deleted post was. A mod should PM Baud with the text so he can post itQuote:
Originally Posted by gravyhog
it was something likeQuote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
"those 3 sentences do nothing to convince me"
re-read? no. Without looking back I think the last two wolves are lynchpelion and moarcowbell.Quote:
Originally Posted by duck
ok well i'll be interested in your thoughts post reread
Could also be something like Pelion and Taint or Pelion and Cig. Something really weird happened yesterday. Baud posted the wrong count then two hours later posted the right one and extended the deadline. It could be that one wolf was on Agua and one on Gravy and they were planning on getting off Gravy onto Agua at the last minute but didn't because of the Baud count problem
But again this assumes somebody would make the kind of post I did
I'm officially getting off this line of thought now. I don't think it's doing much good since there are so many assumptions and options. I just have to believe there was logic behind why Gravy did what he did. Maybe there wasn't. Players like to make bad moves all too often it seems.
Your bitchnuts comment leaves me with two questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taint
Are you implying me and him are wolves? Or are you just leaving a speculative comment?
If Agua is a wolf, I quit. It is possible for wolves to play super illogically and win, but villagers have to assume they're trying to be logical. Agua is only a wolf here if the wolves are the worlds biggest idiots, on purpose or by accident
I'm not going to get into specifics too much here, but I'll clarify a bit:
-- The decision to extend was mine, and mine alone. No one asked for it.
-- I received feedback on this. I will say this much: An outside observer who didn't know Gravy's role felt that the extension was massively unfair to the wolves. I tried to look at it without taking into account roles or identities.
-- Interpretation of the tie-break rules is actually more complicated than you think. Agua had actually been the first to get 4 (and 5, and 6) votes, but Gravy had taken the lead at some point.
-- I originally planned on a very short extension, but given the power that a single player could hold in a 4-4-4 vote situation, and the controversy this would create, I decided to make it 10 hours.
Edited: To green the whole post for style points +
i can see pelion as an alternative to gaston/quad
not buying ciggie as a wolf. gravy's vote on him is a wolf in trouble trying to get a viable mislynch going. ciggie is an easy target because he seems to be getting on everyone's nerves.
I guess there is a rational process behind how both Gravy and Agua could be wolves: if they wanted a wolf to die. The main problem with this is that Agua is so low in the post count that it doesn't suit the wolf vs wolf thing.
don't sweat on the extension thing
this is an experimental game anyway
it's still fucking awesome
An idea: everybody who dropped off Agua and put Gravy in the lead is a villager. Maybe Gravy hitting the lead simply caught the wolves by surprise
Wow. Going to give some input soon. PC is broken for a few days. Reading and posting from phone.
glancing through again, i can't see pelion/gaston
it's gaston/quad, or pelion/quad i think
Very definite language from a wolf which isn't usual. Looks like he's trying to buddy up here.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravyhog
Again very committed.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravyhog
Don't think gravy ever voted for agua, though I think he mentioned him a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravyhog
Why do you think I'm a wolf?Quote:
Originally Posted by duck
Whew, glad to still be alive. :)
Said 1 hour before the first deadline with gravy leading with 5 votes. Too risky for a wolf to say?Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
Probably.
^^^ My top pick for wolf. He said this sort of thing more than once. Similar applies to Gaston, but not as easily and we need to knock them down one at a timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Buck Nekid
Sounds a bit wolfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkWingDuck
Right near the deadline, makes me a bit suspicious though rescinding agua makes it more likely gravy dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by lynchpelion
I feel the other 2 wolves would just stfu once gravy slipped up, looks like a very honest post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buck Nekid
Both cig and moarcowbell stayed on gravy from about midway through the day, villager points for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by moarcowbell
Sounds a bit Wolfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by aguapurificada
i took a look at gravy's wagon and liked you the leastQuote:
Originally Posted by quadrospazz
i think my vote on him starts it off, there might have been earlier action that got rescinded though, i can't remember
taint hops on
you emerge and try to muster up more anti-ciggie sentiment, a tactic gravy himself uses
darkwing comes along and hops onto gravy, your next vote is on aqua, another gravy counterwagon
you then go afk for a bit, and when you emerge you're pushing shoryuken, yet another easy wagon
not once do you put any pressure on gravy, instead you appear to be desperately scrambling for an alternative wagon to save gravy's ass
Quadro, I think the first thing Gravy would have done is tell the wolfden what he did and that he expects to get modkilled. Buck Nekid's post could suggest he knew what was coming. I don't think the wolves would necessarily shut up after Gabe slipped
How can Buck go from here
to hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Buck Nekid
with apparently no reason? Agua didn't have any new posts in between. The only thing that happened was I made the post why people should get off Gravy and some didQuote:
Originally Posted by Buck Nekid
let's have a good old fashioned reads list
Aznchicks - haha nice one baudib
Quadrospazz - see above
Duck - quack
Ducksucks - village as fuck
Gaston - wolfy, his attack on me stinks
Taint - i think villager
Shoryuken - dead vill
Cigarette butt - gotta be village with gravy being wolf
DarkWingDuck - pretty sure this guy is villager
Moarcowbell - feels like a villager
Lynchpelion - i've had good vibes from him but his activity around the gravy wagon is questionable
Buck Nekid - both good and bad vibes, not really sure where i am with him tbh
Aguapruificada - probably villager, maybe lucky wolf though
Alargeprimate - likely villager
Gravyhog - epicgabe
Mentioned him in 2 posts, never voted for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by duck
agua was a decent lynch at that point.Quote:
darkwing comes along and hops onto gravy, your next vote is on aqua, another gravy counterwagon
I never thought gravy was a wolf, gabe played the part of being new well.Quote:
you then go afk for a bit, and when you emerge you're pushing shoryuken, yet another easy wagon
not once do you put any pressure on gravy, instead you appear to be desperately scrambling for an alternative wagon to save gravy's ass
Good point, gonna have to back off give buck a village lean for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksucks
you realise this isn't a defense, right? i would argue that passively attempting to get a wagon running on someone you hardly mention, at a time a wolf is beginning to get into trouble, is wolfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by quadrospazz
well if he's a villager and you're a wolf, then you're still being honest here.Quote:
agua was a decent lynch at that point.
he did? i don't recall getting a noob vibe off gravy. it's interesting you say this. maybe you know he was trying to look like a noob thanks to strat talk in the den.Quote:
I never thought gravy was a wolf, gabe played the part of being new well.
you're doing the opposite of convincing me i'm wrong.